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Vladius said:

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I hate Messianic prophecies in general, or the very idea of a Messiah, because it encourages the idea that all hope for the future is dependent on one dude, instead of like, the group effort that is required in real life.

Granted, Star Wars doesn’t incorporate a true Messiah into the mythology. Vader is more like a very round-about Messiah who only saves the Universe after he fucks over the entire Universe. So it’s at least a twist on the idea of a Messiah, kind of like Dune. But I still don’t like it, because it shrinks the Universe by elevating one guy to cosmic significance. At one point, Luke was just a random farmboy and Vader was just a cyborg SS officer carrying out the will of his government. There was a backstory intertwining the two of them, but it was personal, not a matter of cosmic importance.

Nothing is really a “true Messiah” because the Messiah is from Judaism, and (except for Messianic Jews) believe that the Messiah hasn’t come yet. The actual Messiah according to Christianity was of course Jesus Christ, who was a perfect being and the only possible person who could save humanity from sin and death. Jesus specifically rejected the people who wanted him to be like the conquering hero Messiah we have in fiction. He repeatedly told everyone to repent and get their own lives in order, and didn’t fulfill their fantasies of overthrowing the Romans or making himself king in a mortal sense.

There aren’t any messiahs, chosen ones, etc. in fiction who are anything close to that. It’s just a phrase people throw around like destiny or prophecy. The concept has a very specific real world context that often gets tossed out the window.

I mean, I think most people would interpret the word “Messiah” simply to refer generically to the idea of a “Chosen One” who is prophesied to appear at some designated time and play a pivotal role in overthrowing an oppressor. The Jewish concept in the OT (Old Testament, not Original Trilogy 😉) is the origin of the idea, yes, and is also a straightforward implementation of the concept, even though mainstream Judaism teaches the Messiah’s coming is a future event. The concept obviously morphed over the years, going from a prophesied savior from the Romans in the first century modeled after the O.G. King David (with various historical claimants appearing in the first century and failing badly) to various Rabbinical reinterpretations over the years.

The Christian Messiah is a Rian Johnson style “twist” on the original Jewish Messiah concept. Paul of Tarsus was like: “Oh, you thought your Messiah would come and overthrow the Romans with his laser sword? Try again, idiots. Instead, your Messiah will appear briefly and provide free healthcare to a few random people, deliver some cool parables and magic tricks, then get arrested and killed, but then rise from the grave, thus recontextualizing all Old Testament Messianic prophecy as part of an eschatological continuum beginning with Original Sin and culminating in a “second coming” event, where the Messiah will return upgraded with new super-powers and kick lots of ass, rather than a boring Maccabee-style Jewish Warrior King who implausibly defeats Tiberius Caesar. Expectations subverted.”

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Between Anakin and Padmé, I think Padmé was the dominant one in bed. ;p

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Some people pointed out at the time of release that the end of The Last Jedi has some similarities with Escape from L.A., so I feel compelled to point out that the ending of Dune: Part 2 is essentially the same as the ending of Attack of the Clones, so much so that you could swap the music between the films and it would work.

Of course, Dune came out decades before AOTC, but the movie adaptation does heighten the similarities.

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Damn. Just more reason for me to dislike Dune: Part Two, then. 😛

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Oh god that is a weird comparison but also kinda true…

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Jake Lloyd with Vader’s face is nightmare retardant. 😄

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As long as he doesn’t say “Yippee!”, I’ll be okay.

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I know that Vader’s evil Mordor castle is a product of the 1970s, but since it never actually appeared in the OT, I guess I never really liked it. I don’t like things that make Vader closer to being Dracula or something. Vader to me is more of an efficient, dystopian villain, who spends his time in sterile, technological conference rooms and control centers. He has no interest in or time for melodramatic things like evil fortresses surrounded by lava. That sort of chthonic or infernal imagery is way too on the nose and thematically inconsistent with Vader’s story. Vader lives in an efficient, sterile world of starship technology and life support systems.

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Channel72 said:

I know that Vader’s evil Mordor castle is a product of the 1970s, but since it never actually appeared in the OT, I guess I never really liked it. I don’t like things that make Vader closer to being Dracula or something. Vader to me is more of an efficient, dystopian villain, who spends his time in sterile, technological conference rooms and control centers. He has no interest in or time for melodramatic things like evil fortresses surrounded by lava. That sort of chthonic or infernal imagery is way too on the nose and thematically inconsistent with Vader’s story. Vader lives in an efficient, sterile world of starship technology and life support systems.

Vader’s the sci-fi equivalent of a wraith. Wraiths live in hell.

Yes, Vader’s cold. But he has a furnace heart, this boiling tranquil rage that surfaces when the opportunity arises to use it as a weapon to enforce his rule, when he conquers opponents and punishes his own men. Almost like lava.
When your heart is that scalding, all your blood goes cold, like a third-degree burn.

It’s not the first time he’s been associated with Hell imagery.

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Does anyone find it weird that the 2011 versions of the OT are still shown on TV? I hardly ever watch stuff live any more, and it’s even rarer for me to suffer George’s changes, but I found recently it wasn’t the Macklunkey version. Or does Disney keep the “definitive” version to themselves?

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I haven’t watched TNT in a while but at one point it was a mix of the 2011 cuts with the new Disney Lucasfilm logo, is that the one still being shown?

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Oh I didn’t even catch that part so who knows.

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Make “Han Solo Saves Christmas” already, you cowards

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Life Day is SW Thanksgiving. SMH

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Thanksgiving is definitely a holiday that only the Emperor and his cronies celebrate.

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Mocata said:

Does anyone find it weird that the 2011 versions of the OT are still shown on TV? I hardly ever watch stuff live any more, and it’s even rarer for me to suffer George’s changes, but I found recently it wasn’t the Macklunkey version. Or does Disney keep the “definitive” version to themselves?

Glad I wasn’t the only one to notice ITV showing the 2011 cuts for the Original Trilogy. Very weird - maybe from a ‘digital pack’ they had from years ago, so they just lazily re-ran that - and not the new 2019 ‘Maclunkey’ cuts?

I think they were available to watch on ITVX throughout December too - with Rogue One.
 

Although accuracy and attention to detail has never ITV’s strong point…
 

😉

 

It reminds me of when they re-released Star Wars (1977) in some cinemas around Europe around 2020 - some cinemas were showing the 2011 cuts, some were showing the 2019 cuts - and many of the cinemas didn’t seem to know which version they were showing.

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One of the things I love about Star Wars is that, no matter what your personal preferences are, you can always have a laugh when watching some silly video or parody. Whether you like the Prequels or not, you can still enjoy a YouTube Poop or a comedic take on them, and have a good laugh. The same goes for the Sequels — whether you like them or not, you can still laugh when watching a silly spoof about them. For example, I do not like the Sequels at all, but I still loved Star Wars Undercover Boss and laughed a lot when I watched that parody, even though it was based on the Sequels.

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Did all the humans in Star Wars have a common ancestor on a planet or did at least some of them develop independently?

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That would be really weird if they developed independently

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Apparently every species has the same blood, not just the human ones.

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Hal 9000 said:

Did all the humans in Star Wars have a common ancestor on a planet or did at least some of them develop independently?

In the Expanded Universe, it is explained that humans originated on Coruscant, and that the Rakatan Empire — which conquered almost the entire galaxy and used to enslave many species — frequently transported humans from one planet to another for slave labour. As a result, humans became widely dispersed, and by the time the Republic was founded, many planets were already inhabited by them. I personally find this explanation very compelling, because it makes a great deal of sense.

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