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Considering how Rian worked on TLJ simultaneously and could ask JJ to change things (like Rey bringing R2 to Luke instead of BB-8) it’s odd that Rian didn’t make JJ keep this shot. It would really fit well with TLJ. Either way, I’m doing what I can to put the shot in my edit, I think it might work. Maybe.

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That’s very true. Though I think they said there were some things Rian requested that they didn’t change either, so even if he asked maybe they were satisfied with that moment as-is.

I think that first shot of Han pulling out the dice could be cropped and altered to match the existing footage.

For the shot of him putting them up there, you could create a plate of the Falcon that you could put Han in, since he isn’t blocked by anything for the most part in that shot. Though you would have to find/generate a background that would match.

Another option would be to create a new shot. You could use the TLJ insert as a plate and then have a hand-double hang up a pair of dice that you might could find online. That would require green screen, and actor and props so that could be more challenging than the first option.

Another issue might be continuity, because Han puts his hands on both chairs when he enters, and I’m pretty sure they rest there until he exits. You could possibly cut to the dice insert without the dice as if he looks up there to help with that issue.

Otherwise, if all of those options are too challenging, at the very least you could reuse the TLJ dice insert as if the dice are still there and Han is just looking up at them.

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The first shot can be cropped, yes. I will try to clean up the second shot. I have also thought about creating a new shot, like you say. I even ordered a pair of cheap chinese Solo dice online yesterday, we’ll see if they look good enough when they turn up.

As you say there is a bit of a continuity issue going from the original shot in the movie to the first new shot with the dice so I’m trying to put a different shot or two between them to make the transition work. There are a few more shots of Han in the cockpit in the documentary, so I’m trying a few things with those.

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So I didn’t originally plan to adjust the color grade of the movie, but after seeing NeverarGreat’s new color grade for his TFA edit I saw how a changed look could benefit the movie. So here are a few comparison images for what I’ve got so far. I started out with basic changes that could be applied to the entire movie and then I adjusted the look of different scenes separately, so there are different grades depending on the setting and lighting. My main goals with the grade is to make the film a bit more vibrant, change the color balance to be a bit more neutral (I think the original grade is a bit too teal or purple in some cases) and brighten up the darkest scenes a bit.

https://diff.pics/a5-hraaoNOxc (The Star Destroyer one doesn’t work for some reason)

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^ really nice work mate - your shots really brings out more detail 😃

(btw, the downed Star Destroyer comparison image is flickering a fair bit - though could just be my pc; just a heads-up)

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oojason said:

^ really nice work mate - your shots really brings out more detail 😃

(btw, the downed Star Destroyer comparison image is flickering a fair bit - though could just be my pc; just a heads-up)

Thank you! Yeah, something odd with that one. It doesn’t even show the regraded image for me. Might have to reupload.

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Couldn’t make that shot work on Diff.pics for some reason so here it is on Imgur instead: https://imgur.com/a/TmrSbc8

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I love your idea of including the ‘Kylo searches the falcon’ scene. Do you have a sample of the work you’ve done on it and how you’re integrating it into your edit? What’s the sequencing of events like?

If you’re including the scene where he’s talking to the trooper in Starkiller Base and suddenly senses Han, then you should definitely remove his “Han Solo” line in the falcon since he already says it in the preceding scene.

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Sir Ridley said:

• Reduce the diss battle between Kylo and Lor San Tekka
• Reduce Poe being cocky with Kylo
• Remove Kylo’s line "Comfortable?"
• Remove Rey’s “No” when Finn asks if she’s flown the Falcon (DigMod)
(• Tone down childish celebrating)
• Remove part of Finn’s line “… cute boyfriend?”
• Remove Finn climbing on Rey making her angry (idea by DigMod)
• Remove Snoke mentioning Han Solo being Kylo’s father
(• Reduce Han playing around with Chewie’s Bowcaster)
(• Remove Han’s line “I saw our son" and/or “he was here”)
(• Changes to the talk about Kylo between Han and Leia)
• Add deleted scene of Kylo searching the Falcon
(• Cut the “I’m in charge now!” part when Han and Finn encounter Phasma)
(• Cut Finn’s “trash compactor” reference)
(• Trim “map puzzle” scene, make it faster)

After watching Hal’s v3, I certainly am fine with all the changes you want to make in addition of Hal’s. The Han/Leia scenes are very… awkward (especially the scene when they mention Snoke, Luke and their son, with all the meta jokes “and don’t say the death star” and the non sense “that’s why I wanted Luke to train him” - I didn’t know there was more Jedi Masters after ROTJ to train new Jedi 😕 - ., I felt so embarrassed during this scene…).

However, I would suggest you to keep Ren’s “Grand father”. It’s nice to uderstand the relationship at this point of the movie.

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leo87 said:

I love your idea of including the ‘Kylo searches the falcon’ scene. Do you have a sample of the work you’ve done on it and how you’re integrating it into your edit? What’s the sequencing of events like?

If you’re including the scene where he’s talking to the trooper in Starkiller Base and suddenly senses Han, then you should definitely remove his “Han Solo” line in the falcon since he already says it in the preceding scene.

I’m not ready to show the Kylo Falcon scene yet, but I’m working with XXTELECINE’s fix as a base and adding further improvements to the removal of the time code. The scene will be placed after the shot of the X-wings approaching Starkiller Base and end before the second shot with the X-wings in the clouds. This is probably how it was meant to be placed considering how the deleted scene ends with Kylo looking up at the X-wings.

I agree about removing the “Han Solo” line.

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Sir Ridley said:

• Reduce the diss battle between Kylo and Lor San Tekka
• Reduce Poe being cocky with Kylo
• Remove Kylo’s line "Comfortable?"
• Remove Rey’s “No” when Finn asks if she’s flown the Falcon (DigMod)
(• Tone down childish celebrating)
• Remove part of Finn’s line “… cute boyfriend?”
• Remove Finn climbing on Rey making her angry (idea by DigMod)
• Remove Snoke mentioning Han Solo being Kylo’s father
(• Reduce Han playing around with Chewie’s Bowcaster)
(• Remove Han’s line “I saw our son" and/or “he was here”)
(• Changes to the talk about Kylo between Han and Leia)
• Add deleted scene of Kylo searching the Falcon
(• Cut the “I’m in charge now!” part when Han and Finn encounter Phasma)
(• Cut Finn’s “trash compactor” reference)
(• Trim “map puzzle” scene, make it faster)

After watching Hal’s v3, I certainly am fine with all the changes you want to make in addition of Hal’s. The Han/Leia scenes are very… awkward (especially the scene when they mention Snoke, Luke and their son, with all the meta jokes “and don’t say the death star” and the non sense “that’s why I wanted Luke to train him” - I didn’t know there was more Jedi Masters after ROTJ to train new Jedi 😕 - ., I felt so embarrassed during this scene…).

However, I would suggest you to keep Ren’s “Grand father”. It’s nice to uderstand the relationship at this point of the movie.

Not sure how much I will change the Han/Leia scenes, but it’s possible that I will trim them a bit. I will consider keeping the “grandfather” line, but at this point I’m leaning toward removing it.

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Sir Ridley said:

Not sure how much I will change the Han/Leia scenes, but it’s possible that I will trim them a bit. I will consider keeping the “grandfather” line, but at this point I’m leaning toward removing it.

Would it be possible to reorder some of Han and Leia’s dialog similar to the “ben’s hut” scene in ANH, to make the blatant expositional dialog more compelling?

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littlev87 said:

Sir Ridley said:

Not sure how much I will change the Han/Leia scenes, but it’s possible that I will trim them a bit. I will consider keeping the “grandfather” line, but at this point I’m leaning toward removing it.

Would it be possible to reorder some of Han and Leia’s dialog similar to the “ben’s hut” scene in ANH, to make the blatant expositional dialog more compelling?

I haven’t really given it much thought, but here’s a version of the “Snoke talk” that would be doable and less expositional:

Han: Listen to me, will you? I know every time you… Every time you look at me you’re reminded of him.
Leia: You think I want to forget him? I want him back!
Han: There’s nothing more we could’ve done.
Leia: I just never should’ve sent him away. That’s when I lost him. That’s when I lost you both.
Han: We both had to deal with it in our own way. I went back to the only thing I was ever good at.
Leia: We both did.
Han: We lost our son.
Leia: No. There is still light in him, I know it. We can still save him. Me. You.
Han: If Luke couldn’t reach him, how could I?
Leia: Luke is a Jedi. You’re his father.

How’s that?

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Oh ! I like that quite a lot ! All the exposition powerpoint stuff is gone and you keep the emotional core of the scene.

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Sir Ridley said:

littlev87 said:

Sir Ridley said:

Not sure how much I will change the Han/Leia scenes, but it’s possible that I will trim them a bit. I will consider keeping the “grandfather” line, but at this point I’m leaning toward removing it.

Would it be possible to reorder some of Han and Leia’s dialog similar to the “ben’s hut” scene in ANH, to make the blatant expositional dialog more compelling?

I haven’t really given it much thought, but here’s a version of the “Snoke talk” that would be doable and less expositional:

Han: Listen to me, will you? I know every time you… Every time you look at me you’re reminded of him.
Leia: You think I want to forget him? I want him back!
Han: There’s nothing more we could’ve done.
Leia: I just never should’ve sent him away. That’s when I lost him. That’s when I lost you both.
Han: We both had to deal with it in our own way. I went back to the only thing I was ever good at.
Leia: We both did.
Han: We lost our son.
Leia: No. There is still light in him, I know it. We can still save him. Me. You.
Han: If Luke couldn’t reach him, how could I?
Leia: Luke is a Jedi. You’re his father.

How’s that?

Han: Listen to me, will you? I know every time you… Every time you look at me you’re reminded of him.
Leia: You think I want to forget him?
Han: There’s too much vader in him.
Leia: I just never should’ve sent him away. That’s when I lost him. That’s when I lost you both.
Han: I went back to the only thing I was ever good at.
Leia: We both did.
Leia: There is still light in him, I know it. We can still save him. Me. You.
Han: If Luke couldn’t reach him, how could I?
Leia: Luke is a Jedi. You’re his father.

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Han: Listen to me, will you? We both had to deal with it in our own way. I went back to the only thing I was ever good at.
Leia: We both did.
Han: I know every time you… Every time you look at me you’re reminded of him.
Leia: You think I want to forget him?
Han: There’s too much vader in him.
Leia: That’s why I wanted him to train with Luke.
Han: There’s nothing more we could’ve done.
Leia: I just never should’ve sent him away. That’s when I lost him. That’s when I lost you both.
HAN REACTION FROM BEFORE THE LINE “WE LOST OUR SON FOREVER” (He kinda has a slight smirk)
Leia: There is still light in him, I know it. We can still save him. Me. You.
Han: If Luke couldn’t reach him, how could I?
Leia: Luke is a Jedi. You’re his father.

Honestly, not sure if any of this is possible with the background music and would probably make for some odd cuts or camera angles. I need to look over it more throughly. I was trying to keep the conversation more ambiguous and also make Han come off a bit more pessimistic. Trying to highlight how different they’ve become and why they are still separated.

Really trying to create exposition using the character reactions to one another and not by just laying out all the details beat by beat like the original cut.

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Interesting! There are a lot of ways it could be arranged. I don’t know if I want to keep the Vader line, but it’s pretty interesting that they saw the darkness in him early on and sent him to Luke because of that. Maybe it should stay in there.

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I still don’t understand why it would be the reason to ask Luke to train him. If Ben was Force sensitive, Luke was the obvious choice to train him, being the only Jedi left at the end of ROTJ. I like the idea of trimming this Han/Leia conversation though.

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I don’t think it was a question of “who trains him” so much as it was a question of “do we have him trained or not.”

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ChainsawAsh said:

I don’t think it was a question of “who trains him” so much as it was a question of “do we have him trained or not.”

I feel like she puts emphasis on Luke, they probably thought that Luke had the best chance of turning him away from the dark side. I don’t think training in itself would do that. I don’t know. I’m not sure if it matters though. I think the information in that line (whatever it implies) isn’t needed. And there being “Vader” in him is obvious anyway, Kylo is enough of a Vader Junior without it being spelled out.

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Sir Ridley said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I don’t think it was a question of “who trains him” so much as it was a question of “do we have him trained or not.”

I feel like she puts emphasis on Luke, they probably thought that Luke had the best chance of turning him away from the dark side. I don’t think training in itself would do that. I don’t know. I’m not sure if it matters though. I think the information in that line (whatever it implies) isn’t needed. And there being “Vader” in him is obvious anyway, Kylo is enough of a Vader Junior without it being spelled out.

I think the line about Luke is implying it was their only hope to control his power and stop him from turning to the dark.

The Vader line, at least in how I was using it in my dialog rearrangement, was a way for Han to express that it was a useless gesture to have Ben train with Luke, and that there is no saving him from this point forward.

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littlev87 said:

Sir Ridley said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I don’t think it was a question of “who trains him” so much as it was a question of “do we have him trained or not.”

I feel like she puts emphasis on Luke, they probably thought that Luke had the best chance of turning him away from the dark side. I don’t think training in itself would do that. I don’t know. I’m not sure if it matters though. I think the information in that line (whatever it implies) isn’t needed. And there being “Vader” in him is obvious anyway, Kylo is enough of a Vader Junior without it being spelled out.

I think the line about Luke is implying it was their only hope to control his power and stop him from turning to the dark.

The Vader line, at least in how I was using it in my dialog rearrangement, was a way for Han to express that it was a useless gesture to have Ben train with Luke, and that there is no saving him from this point forward.

Ah, yeah I see. I don’t think it should seem like Han has completely given up on Ben though.

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I think it does seem like at least there a few different options for how you might want to rearrange the dialogue. I have to agree and say as long as the whole mention of Snoke is removed, it will feel a lot better.

Also, while the story does seem to make it out that it is all Snoke’s fault, I think it makes Leia seem more mature if she doesn’t just immediately blame Snoke for corrupting Ben, and that she partly blames herself for what has happened to him. And so does Han, I think.

If Han still says “Snoke only wants to use you for your power”, it still shows that Han and Leia were aware of Snoke, so I don’t think removing that earlier mention of him really hurts anything.

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I agree. And the details of why Ben turned to the dark side are explored later in VIII and possibly IX so it doesn’t have to be spelled out in this scene. It seems a bit dumbed down to just say “Snoke did it”.

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I don’t think it’s just a matter of who did what. Ben’s heritage and what it does or does not mean for his destiny is an integral part of his story. Han suggests he turned because of his blood, Leia denies. The idea that your blood relatives don’t determine who you are is one of the main messages of the ST.

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True, true. Thinking about it now I would probably leave those lines in there. As you say it discusses something integral to Ben’s story, and it’s good to be reminded of Luke’s role in it as well. Thank you for your input.

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Sir Ridley said:

littlev87 said:

Sir Ridley said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I don’t think it was a question of “who trains him” so much as it was a question of “do we have him trained or not.”

I feel like she puts emphasis on Luke, they probably thought that Luke had the best chance of turning him away from the dark side. I don’t think training in itself would do that. I don’t know. I’m not sure if it matters though. I think the information in that line (whatever it implies) isn’t needed. And there being “Vader” in him is obvious anyway, Kylo is enough of a Vader Junior without it being spelled out.

I think the line about Luke is implying it was their only hope to control his power and stop him from turning to the dark.

The Vader line, at least in how I was using it in my dialog rearrangement, was a way for Han to express that it was a useless gesture to have Ben train with Luke, and that there is no saving him from this point forward.

Ah, yeah I see. I don’t think it should seem like Han has completely given up on Ben though.

I think Han giving up on ben and then later trying to redeem him when he sees him on SK base gives Han a more complex character arc than what he currently has.