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This whole “issue” is proof that people want to be outraged and will remain willfully ignorant in order to do so.
I don’t think it’s really an “issue,” it’s just something mildly annoying that people are poking fun at because of the test today. It’d have had a similar reception if the test had happened while any other President was in office.
Trump’s penchant for Twitter just makes it a little easier to make fun of.
The remarks about propaganda in this thread didn’t read like jokes to me. We’ll have to agree to disagree that the reception would’ve been the same with another person in office.
It depends on the person. If Obama did this, then conservatives would be up in arms. It happened with Trump so the other people are up in arms.
Probably true.
It’s actually not probably true, it’s definitely true. I remember a ton of idiot conservatives thinking that Obama’s attempt in 2009 to deliver a “stay in school” message to the children was a brainwashing attempt to destroy Christianity or something stupid.
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Agree; wish people would be more self aware.
The blue elephant in the room.
Yeah, I’m not concerned that the alert system is in place, nor am I worried that it was tested. I’m mildly worried that Trump could start using it for campaigning. I wouldn’t put it past him to send out an “alert” on election day that the country is in danger if people vote a certain way.
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This whole “issue” is proof that people want to be outraged and will remain willfully ignorant in order to do so.
I don’t think it’s really an “issue,” it’s just something mildly annoying that people are poking fun at because of the test today. It’d have had a similar reception if the test had happened while any other President was in office.
Trump’s penchant for Twitter just makes it a little easier to make fun of.
The remarks about propaganda in this thread didn’t read like jokes to me. We’ll have to agree to disagree that the reception would’ve been the same with another person in office.
It depends on the person. If Obama did this, then conservatives would be up in arms. It happened with Trump so the other people are up in arms.
Probably true.
It’s actually not probably true, it’s definitely true. I remember a ton of idiot conservatives thinking that Obama’s attempt in 2009 to deliver a “stay in school” message to the children was a brainwashing attempt to destroy Christianity or something stupid.
I respect your ability to take an area of general agreement and still manage to make it sound contentious.
Yeah, I’m not concerned that the alert system is in place, nor am I worried that it was tested. I’m mildly worried that Trump could start using it for campaigning. I wouldn’t put it past him to send out an “alert” on election day that the country is in danger if people vote a certain way.
This is somewhat tinfoil hat-ish, sorry. The alert system is maintained by FEMA and there’s nothing in the law (again, passed by Obama) that would allow the president to abuse the system in this way.
You can’t say that everything is a joke and no one on the left is actually concerned, then turn around and express legitimate concerns, however mild, about possible abuse. This is why I believe that deep down, liberals really are as prone to believe in conspiracies as conservatives despite the intellectual veneer.
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I’m sure Trump is dumb enough to think that he could use it to campaign. I think that the “adults in the room” wouldn’t allow that to happen, though.
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It’s only normal to express concerns about how a new technology might be abused. Trumpy doesn’t strike me as being very tech savvy though. As long as the alert system isn’t an app on his smartphone, we’re likely safe. 😉
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May I be the first to offer a hearty thanks for helping me keep my hysterical liberal tendencies in check.
I know I would be in great danger of plunging off the deep end into paranoid, delusional ravings without such intervention, but I think I’ve really started to turn things around. Now I know that every time I hear voices coming out of my phone telling me to vote Trump or die, there’s only a 10% chance it’s actually happening.
Or even worse… it’s tinnitus!
I’m hoping that if the Democrats fail to get the House in the midterms, then they’ll finally wake up and run on progressive principles. Being corporate centrists doesn’t appeal to anybody and they’re too stupid to see that being the lesser of two evils is nothing to brag about. If they would have ran on actual progressive platforms like Medicare for all, taxing the rich, workers’ rights, a living wage, ending corporate influence on our government, then they’d end up taking both the House and the Senate for sure. Conservatives that hate those kind of things aren’t ever going to vote Democrat no matter how moderate the candidates are, so stop trying to appeal to them. Now Democrats just have a fair advantage in the House races and a longshot at the Senate. It’s pathetic.
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I’m hoping that if the Democrats fail to get the House in the midterms, then they’ll finally wake up and run on progressive principles.
That depends on how they lose. If they lose the House because they got fewer votes, they will convince themselves that the only way to win is to adopt even more Republican policies than they already have (like the 2014 election). If, however, they lose the House in terms of seats but actually get a larger share of the popular vote, they will instead convince themselves that the only way to win is to adopt even more Republican policies than they already have (like the 2012 election). It’s like a ratchet. The pivot only goes one direction.
Luckily for progressives, if the Democrats win outright, they will demonstrate their magnanimity by reaching across the aisle and adopting even more Republican policies than they already have, although Republicans will quickly disavow those policies (like the 2008 election).
Being corporate centrists doesn’t appeal to anybody and they’re too stupid to see that being the lesser of two evils is nothing to brag about.
Being corporate centrists appeals to lots of people. Or, to be more specific, it appeals to lots of legal persons: the aforementioned corporations. They may not vote, but they more than make up for that in money. It’s nice to believe anyone even tries to appeal to mere voters at all.
People give me shit for my hesitation to vote, but it’s for that reason. There isn’t much of a choice in most states and districts.
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Do you think anyone noticed it before he went up and decided not to tell him?
They have to put that toilet paper into the national archives now. 😛
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Looks like Kavanaugh is going to be confirmed now that Collins and Manchin have indicated they’ll vote yes. It would take an unexpected defection to have it go the other way at this point.
The whole situation has been embarrassing for us as a country regardless of what side you’re on.
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It’s almost like he’s a living joke or something.
In an ideal world, once Trump is out of office, we’d be able to remove all of his appointees.
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In an ideal world, once Trump is out of office, we’d be able to remove all of his appointees.
Democrats can allow themselves to indulge in fantasies of impeaching justices (and even Trump himself) or they can ruminate over how things got to this place and, as you suggested, change their approach to get themselves back in the majority.
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In an ideal world, once Trump is out of office, we’d be able to remove all of his appointees.
Democrats can allow themselves to indulge in fantasies of impeaching justices (and even Trump himself) or they can ruminate over how things got to this place and, as you suggested, change their approach to get themselves back in the majority.
I’m not a Democrat. I just think that the only way to reverse the assaults on American freedom that Trump and his cronies have brought on us is to remove them from office. Things got to this place because Trump was savvy enough to appeal directly to the proud ignorance and stupidity that the Republican base likes while Hillary was too stupid and corrupt to appeal to what American voters actually wanted. To prevent this shit from happening again we need to abolish the Electoral College and outlaw corporate donations to political candidates and probably put in place some kind of IQ test requirement for people running for president so that someone as stupid as Trump can’t run again.
EDIT: Do you think Trump should be impeached for his blatant obstruction of justice? He admitted that he fired James Comey simply because he was investigating him. I know you’re very sympathetic to the far-right, so I’m guessing not, especially given how you ignore the legitimate reasons why Trump should be impeached.
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Do you think anyone noticed it before he went up and decided not to tell him?
They have to put that toilet paper into the national archives now. 😛
In his defense, he probably mistook it for the Constitution.
The blue elephant in the room.
In an ideal world, once Trump is out of office, we’d be able to remove all of his appointees.
Democrats can allow themselves to indulge in fantasies of impeaching justices (and even Trump himself) or they can ruminate over how things got to this place and, as you suggested, change their approach to get themselves back in the majority.
I’m not a Democrat. I just think that the only way to reverse the assaults on American freedom that Trump and his cronies have brought on us is to remove them from office. Things got to this place because Trump was savvy enough to appeal directly to the proud ignorance and stupidity that the Republican base likes while Hillary was too stupid and corrupt to appeal to what American voters actually wanted. To prevent this shit from happening again we need to abolish the Electoral College and outlaw corporate donations to political candidates and probably put in place some kind of IQ test requirement for people running for president so that someone as stupid as Trump can’t run again.
So we’re back to attributing Trump’s victory to ignorant, stupid Republicans. I could’ve sworn you’d said previously that wasn’t how Trump won and you didn’t label Republicans broadly. I didn’t believe you then, but at least your bias is back on full display now and you’re not pretending anymore.
I don’t have a strong opinion about the Electoral College. I do believe it has a purpose, but is open to abuse. However, I think addressing gerrymandering will solve those problems and is actually within the realm of possibility, whereas abolishing the EC is unlikely. I do agree that campaign finance reform is a massive issue and corporate donations should be banned.
EDIT: Do you think Trump should be impeached for his blatant obstruction of justice? He admitted that he fired James Comey simply because he was investigating him. I know you’re very sympathetic to the far-right, so I’m guessing not, especially given how you ignore the legitimate reasons why Trump should be impeached.
Again with the far-right nonsense. You know nothing, as you prove time and time again with your broken-record hot takes.
I’ll let Mueller make the case for Trump’s impeachment when he shares his findings since I’m neither a constitutional scholar nor an attorney/prosecutor. I’m glad you’re confident in your armchair legalese and that it brings you peace of mind. Part of me wishes I still subscribed to a hopelessly binary mode of thinking so that I could once again be certain about everything.
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In an ideal world, once Trump is out of office, we’d be able to remove all of his appointees.
Democrats can allow themselves to indulge in fantasies of impeaching justices (and even Trump himself) or they can ruminate over how things got to this place and, as you suggested, change their approach to get themselves back in the majority.
I’m not a Democrat. I just think that the only way to reverse the assaults on American freedom that Trump and his cronies have brought on us is to remove them from office. Things got to this place because Trump was savvy enough to appeal directly to the proud ignorance and stupidity that the Republican base likes while Hillary was too stupid and corrupt to appeal to what American voters actually wanted. To prevent this shit from happening again we need to abolish the Electoral College and outlaw corporate donations to political candidates and probably put in place some kind of IQ test requirement for people running for president so that someone as stupid as Trump can’t run again.
So we’re back to attributing Trump’s victory to ignorant, stupid Republicans. I could’ve sworn you’d said previously that wasn’t how Trump won and you didn’t label Republicans broadly. I didn’t believe you then, but at least your bias is back on full display now and you’re not pretending anymore.
Ignorant, stupid Republicans are part of it. He definitely mobilized them. It’s not the only reason why he won, but it’s a big part. And of course I’m biased. I’ve never pretended not to be biased. I hate the rightwing and wish it didn’t even exist. I’ve called Hillary supporters worse than Trump supporters. I’ve advocated for the removal of every corporate representative from office. I’ve even admitted to being in favor of some acts of political violence. When have I ever pretended to not be biased? That’s what you do.
I don’t have a strong opinion about the Electoral College. I do believe it has a purpose, but is open to abuse. However, I think addressing gerrymandering will solve those problems and is actually within the realm of possibility, whereas abolishing the EC is unlikely. I do agree that campaign finance reform is a massive issue and corporate donations should be banned.
It’s only unlikely because it gives Republicans an opportunity to win the Presidency without coming close to being selected by a plurality of the voters.
EDIT: Do you think Trump should be impeached for his blatant obstruction of justice? He admitted that he fired James Comey simply because he was investigating him. I know you’re very sympathetic to the far-right, so I’m guessing not, especially given how you ignore the legitimate reasons why Trump should be impeached.
Again with the far-right nonsense. You know nothing, as you prove time and time again with your broken-record hot takes.
I actually do know a lot of things. I’m pretty well-informed. I’m not any more intelligent than most people, but I’m very well-read and I generally have at the very least a layman’s understanding of what I’m talking about. So, once again you’re wrong.
I’ll let Mueller make the case for Trump’s impeachment when he shares his findings since I’m neither a constitutional scholar nor an attorney/prosecutor. I’m glad you’re confident in your armchair legalese and that it brings you peace of mind. Part of me wishes I still subscribed to a hopelessly binary mode of thinking so that I could once again be certain about everything.
Why do you even talk about things then? Presumably you’re not an expert anything you’ve talked about in this thread before but that didn’t stop you from babbling about it. I don’t need to be a prosecutor to see that firing the person investigating you is obstruction of justice. I don’t even have a hopelessly binary mode of thinking, either. I’m just confident in what I believe. That’s not a bad thing when what you believe is grounded in reality. Why would I want to float around being unsure of everything and unwilling to just take a stance on something? That would a pathetic and sad existence.
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and probably put in place some kind of IQ test requirement for people running for president so that someone as stupid as Trump can’t run again.
What about an IQ test requirement to allow people to vote? I don’t think that’s the worst idea either.