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Ronster said:

SilverWook said:

Everybody lay off the insults then.

To be honest that what i would hope…, I found out about this edit through internet news and various cast members commenting on it with tear drops again and again.

It is a sad state of affairs… I don’t know that is why i say the 70’s 80’s and 90’s did it right now i do think there has been a loss of direction relating to “real” people which is gone further than before because it is so “fake” in a way and even though older films were still “fake” they just were not as fake as it is now. It’s pretty much completely unrelatable for a normal person to connect in a normal way…

The motivation of this edit is the big question.

You’re right, the motivation of this edit isn’t actually to make it seem more “real” (scare quotes yours). It’s to make it more like the sausage fests of yesteryear.

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Ronster you haven’t even seen the movie so your opinion on it is objectively irrelevant.

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Possessed said:

Ronster you haven’t even seen the movie so your opinion on it is objectively irrelevant.

This. And also everything everyone else said except Ronster.

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DominicCobb said:

Ronster said:

SilverWook said:

Everybody lay off the insults then.

To be honest that what i would hope…, I found out about this edit through internet news and various cast members commenting on it with tear drops again and again.

It is a sad state of affairs… I don’t know that is why i say the 70’s 80’s and 90’s did it right now i do think there has been a loss of direction relating to “real” people which is gone further than before because it is so “fake” in a way and even though older films were still “fake” they just were not as fake as it is now. It’s pretty much completely unrelatable for a normal person to connect in a normal way…

The motivation of this edit is the big question.

You’re right, the motivation of this edit isn’t actually to make it seem more “real” (scare quotes yours). It’s to make it more like the sausage fests of yesteryear.

But when those older blockbusters were made… I don’t recall hordes of women complaining about how the women are portayed. They were perhaps not that bothered. Men were not complaining about how the men were portrayed. Like wise nobody ever used to bring up these political issues when watching a film regarding gender and sexism. Because the people are characters they are not real.

But we now have even less real characters and people screaming about sexism and social issues feminism so on. Is this an American thing? Is this like an American political argument that is raging across social media or something? Agenda driven outcrys aimed at calling for all these different social groups to be represented in Media?
It’s all a bit odd right now… Looking back i can remember politics were not injected by outsiders in to entertainment like this.

I think it is weird.

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Ronster said:

DominicCobb said:

Ronster said:

SilverWook said:

Everybody lay off the insults then.

To be honest that what i would hope…, I found out about this edit through internet news and various cast members commenting on it with tear drops again and again.

It is a sad state of affairs… I don’t know that is why i say the 70’s 80’s and 90’s did it right now i do think there has been a loss of direction relating to “real” people which is gone further than before because it is so “fake” in a way and even though older films were still “fake” they just were not as fake as it is now. It’s pretty much completely unrelatable for a normal person to connect in a normal way…

The motivation of this edit is the big question.

You’re right, the motivation of this edit isn’t actually to make it seem more “real” (scare quotes yours). It’s to make it more like the sausage fests of yesteryear.

But when those older blockbusters were made… I don’t recall hordes of women complaining about how the women are portayed. They were perhaps not that bothered. Men were not complaining about how the men were portrayed. Like wise nobody ever used to bring up these political issues when watching a film regarding gender and sexism. Because the people are characters they are not real.

Do you know any women? I can assure you not everyone has been pleased with the typical gender makeup of films.

But we now have even less real characters and people screaming about sexism and social issues feminism so on. Is this an American thing? Is this like an American political argument that is raging across social media or something? Agenda driven outcrys aimed at calling for all these different social groups to be represented in Media?
It’s all a bit odd right now… Looking back i can remember politics were not injected by outsiders in to entertainment like this.

I think it is weird.

That’s funny, I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone say “is this an American thing?” about something that wasn’t backward and stupid. God I wish it was an American thing.

Oh shit unless you mean is making a “defeminized” edit an American thing, in which case absolutely yes it is. It’s exactly the kind of dumb shit thing a sexist American would do, politicizing something that should actually just be a given (i.e. sizeable roles for women).

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Ronster said:

DominicCobb said:

Ronster said:

SilverWook said:

Everybody lay off the insults then.

To be honest that what i would hope…, I found out about this edit through internet news and various cast members commenting on it with tear drops again and again.

It is a sad state of affairs… I don’t know that is why i say the 70’s 80’s and 90’s did it right now i do think there has been a loss of direction relating to “real” people which is gone further than before because it is so “fake” in a way and even though older films were still “fake” they just were not as fake as it is now. It’s pretty much completely unrelatable for a normal person to connect in a normal way…

The motivation of this edit is the big question.

You’re right, the motivation of this edit isn’t actually to make it seem more “real” (scare quotes yours). It’s to make it more like the sausage fests of yesteryear.

But when those older blockbusters were made… I don’t recall hordes of women complaining about how the women are portayed. They were perhaps not that bothered. Men were not complaining about how the men were portrayed. Like wise nobody ever used to bring up these political issues when watching a film regarding gender and sexism. Because the people are characters they are not real.

But we now have even less real characters and people screaming about sexism and social issues feminism so on. Is this an American thing? Is this like an American political argument that is raging across social media or something? Agenda driven outcrys aimed at calling for all these different social groups to be represented in Media?
It’s all a bit odd right now… Looking back i can remember politics were not injected by outsiders in to entertainment like this.

I think it is weird.

Yeah… no-one in the UK has ever gone to town for equality or for a better life… it’s not just an American thing, and you know it.

‘I don’t recall hordes of women complaining about how the women are portayed’, ‘people screaming about sexism and social issues feminism so on’, ‘Looking back i can remember politics were not injected by outsiders in to entertainment like this’… maybe you should look up history of groups fighting for equality back then, and to what they were targeting, and how they were organising themselves.

Plus, using terms like that, along with your heroin allusions and insults earlier in the thread… well, I strongly suggest you stop.

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Yeah that is what i mean.

This whole crowd shafted the IMDB message boards and got it shut down. So i am not impressed. I never posted there but i would often enjoy reading things about films. Not in it’s final days though.

The whole forum there got oblitterared because of these idiots. Enough said.

I agree with equality though i never watched films with inequalty in mind. It never entered my mind. I get the whole thing in old horror films where a women would run away screaming then fall over for example ad infinitum. This was pretty bad really.

The thing is it’s become more about watch a blockbuster film and complain about all this political stuff. Perhaps we need a film about the suffregettes more than ever. It is perhaps needed more now than ever. Although people won’t see that as a huge profit maker…

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I thought it was because the forums weren’t making any money for the site owners? And they sure didn’t want to hire some actual moderators. There were always idiots there.

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Before it went, the stuff i was reading was disgusting.

People ripping each others throats out again and again and the same people having the same arguments on different films. They were following eachothers posts. It was like a verbal riot. And it was a big crowd and it was spreading.

The fact a lot of new blockbusters are targeted by activists now also makes them undesirable to me

The film i was most looking forward to has been pulled from uk cinema’s also in the last few days due to a argument between the 2 producers. Apparently it was because the last part of the film was too intellectual. “Annihilation” Alex Garland. This is a really sad state of affairs we are in I think. It will be released straight to netflix… People generally comment “Ok saves me from having to go to the cinema… Fine by me” there was no upset shown about this really. Nobody said “Can I decide if it is too intellectual for me? Or do i need somone else to decide if i am clever enough…”

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Ronster said:

Before it went, the stuff i was reading was disgusting.

People ripping each others throats out again and again and the same people having the same arguments on different films. They were following eachothers posts. It was like a verbal riot. And it was a big crowd and it was spreading.

The whole forum there got oblitterared because of these idiots. Enough said.

Totally agree it’s a shame, the IMDb forums were interesting until they became toxic, couldn’t look at any film’s discussion without seeing someone being racist or sexist or homophobic or what else. Typical internet bigots ruining everything.

The fact a lot of new blockbusters are targeted by activists now also makes them undesirable to me

I agree! Equality shouldn’t be a political position and yet we’ve got people boycotting Star Wars because there’s a black stormtrooper and a woman uses a lightsaber. I mean Jesus guys, fandom should be fun and positive, I don’t want to hear about your garbage alt-right politics and how Disney has ruined SW with diversity. Take your white male rights activism elsewhere!

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This is exactly why i gave up on all this.

It’s ruining and there is no constructive dialogue surrounding the films only agendas of various groups.

I don’t want to take part.

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Possessed said:

Ronster you haven’t even seen the movie so your opinion on it is objectively irrelevant.

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TV’s Frink said:

Ronster said:

This is exactly why i gave up on all this.

We did it!

I’d never give up those films…

😉

I managed the whole star wars prequel trilogy.

I lasted 2 hobbit films.

I managed to stay for one star wars sequel trilogy and one stand alone film.

It is a diminishing spiral down a plug hole on these big money spinners tent pole films.

So there is a pattern for you.

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DominicCobb said:

No one here is saying Lucas is/was racist. As to the rest I won’t dignify it with a response.

The problem with this sort of analysis from people with an agenda is that if these people who claim something was not only white washed and also sexist. Why are they also not sticking up for the alien life in the film as well?

Why are they not complaining that because there was a wolfman then there should also have been a wolf woman?

The problem that these people with a political agenda fail to realise is the world was a different place in the 70’s and a country such as the USA did not have such a diverse population as it does now. This also relates to actors and actresses being bankable and big name stars give a film a projected budget and a measure of prediction of success.

The people that moan about these sorts of things fail to understand that it is far better to have the best actor or actress and that is bankable in a measure of success than to simply diversify something for the sake of it… If American money is making the film why can’t they just have americans in it?

It’s not like South Korea or bollywood films feel the need to stuff random white people in to their films for the sake of it. Why don’t these same people campaign for equality in films made abroad? So why should American films pander to these out cry’s by political agenda groups when the peoole who claim to be fighting for equality are in no way calling any other film industries out in other countries…

So yeah that is the hypocracy of it all.

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Ronster said:

DominicCobb said:

No one here is saying Lucas is/was racist. As to the rest I won’t dignify it with a response.

The problem with this sort of analysis from people with an agenda is that if these people who claim something was not only white washed and also sexist. Why are they also not sticking up for the alien life in the film as well?

Stopped reading right there, truly doubt I missed anything.

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That was actually to highlight the how silly it is becoming. How far will it go… i do bring it back with some good points at the end. It was a gag if you like.

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Ronster said:

The problem with this sort of analysis from people with an agenda is that if these people who claim something was not only white washed and also sexist. Why are they also not sticking up for the alien life in the film as well?

Probably because there are no aliens living in our society ( that we know of)

Ronster said:

The problem that these people with a political agenda fail to realise is the world was a different place in the 70’s and a country such as the USA did not have such a diverse population as it does now.

You are kidding, right? If not, then maybe you should stop basing your facts on TV and film of the era. America wasnt as white and male as you think it was.

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That was actually to highlight the how silly it is becoming. How far will it go… i do bring it back with some good points at the end.

No, you really didn’t. Not when you ended it with this rubbish…

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The people that moan about these sorts of things fail to understand that it is far better to have the best actor or actress and that is bankable in a measure of success than to simply diversify something for the sake of it… If American money is making the film why can’t they just have americans in it?

It’s not like South Korea or bollywood films feel the need to stuff random white people in to their films for the sake of it. Why don’t these same people campaign for equality in films made abroad? So why should American films pander to these out cry’s by political agenda groups when the peoole who claim to be fighting for equality are in no way calling any other film industries out in other countries…

So yeah that is the hypocracy of it all.

Yeh, it’s pretty obvious where all this is coming from. Very thinly veiled…

If you are refusing to see a film because there are people wanting more diversity, in a world where white males still hold all the cards, then the problem is not with their “agenda” but with yourself. The same type of rubbish you wrote above was spoken many years ago, by those complaining that there are too many people demanding certain rights to people of colour and how there are more people of colour appearing and starring in film and TV just because of their “agenda”. And the same that complained about women on TV no longer being just the “eye candy/ damsel in distress”

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Whenever a film is made, The names attached to any production give it a bankability.

South Korean films and Bollywood films in no way have the same amount of budget as Hollywood. So in terms of their financers they may only get a small pool of interested actors and the budgets that coincide with this. Hollywood has huge bankable names and is far more diverse than many other film industries in other cohntries particularly because they export their films world wide all the time.

Whilst people are complaining Hollywood should diversify further and i don’t have an issue if they chose to do so. The people complaining about diversifying are not the ones putting their money on the line, or taking a gamble with further diversity and perhaps less bankable names and smaller budgets. This could have a positive effect hollywood having to cope with much smaller budgets rather than overblown huge expensive big name productions. But it is all banking on the blockbusters these days.

So the people complainging have to ask themselves what they want. Big budget, big name productions or greater risk lower budget productions although they may still exceed budgets in Bollywood or South Korea. But also are the studios willing to take the risk too?

Perhaps foriegn film industries yearn for western actors in their films but simply can not afford the price tag attached to them?

Top tier actors and actresses would also have a dimished income if they were used less frequently. Basically. Hollywood actors and actresses would be taking a big hit and this would cause a scadal.

When ever you hear an actor or an actress is attached to a production. That means it has been regarded bankable and has a profit expectation on the name attached.

Something else that i have been thinking about as there are loads of terrific actors and actresses but their ability to act is being restricted by political correctness so you are not getting the same sort of performances as you once did in the blockbusters. So the performances have become restrained also compared with an older mindset.

I would like to add that i am not that keen on Bollywood it’s not my thing but I adore South Korean cinema and when I watch South Kordan films i don’t care that it has no white people or black people or how many women it has in it. I just enjoy the story for what it is.

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DominicCobb said:

Ronster said:

DominicCobb said:

No one here is saying Lucas is/was racist. As to the rest I won’t dignify it with a response.

The problem with this sort of analysis from people with an agenda is that if these people who claim something was not only white washed and also sexist. Why are they also not sticking up for the alien life in the film as well?

Stopped reading right there, truly doubt I missed anything.

It’s an amazingly irrelevant point, and like you, I’m assuming it gets no better from there.