Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released) — Page 643

Harmy said:

Actually, with the new, slightly altered, mission statement of making v3.0 something like what a proper official BD release of the unaltered versions would look like, I was thinking about using soft subs, which would match the theatricals as close as possible in shape and size (can subtitles be rendered from images - I mean, if I cut the subs directly from one frame of a 35mm scan, could that be turned into a soft sub?) and have seamless branching for the crawls/credits of the foreign language versions.
Alternatively, seamless branching could be used for the subs as well and should be easy enough to do for Greedo but for Jabba, i would be a pain in the a.

I’m hoping to work directly with NJVC for the official release this time, so it would depend on what he thinks he could pull off.

I have quite a few idea’s that i would love to see happen if a blu-ray is part of the official release.

• PIP (BD-J required?) to show despecialization while watching the main movie.
• included script to swap which subtitles are included on the disc before burning.
• included script to swap which audio tracks are included on the disc before burning.

in fact, i would love to see the iso stripped of the main .m2ts file and distributed as a much smaller download, then with a script that muxes the mkv into the iso. In theory we could have an iso that is OK to distribute publicly. and also a way to have a normal sized download that gives you the mkv for local playback on a computer or smart-tv, but also a bonus of having all the pieces you need to generate the ISO before burning (But no need to keep the full ISO around taking up HD space).

But all of this takes work obviously. I don’t know if anyone has software that can do the PIP part (requires two video streams in the transport stream i believe, and the second one can be SD). So obviously that is a pie-in the sky dream.

But the rest with the script and all that i would love to see, and would be willing to help with. Sorry if i took this off-topic.

Harmy said:

can subtitles be rendered from images - I mean, if I cut the subs directly from one frame of a 35mm scan, could that be turned into a soft sub?

Both DVD and BD subtitle streams are image overlays of pre-rendered text, if I’m not mistaken, as long as you stick to a method like that I’d think you’d be able to establish a pretty consistent look. Branching opening crawls might be a world of hurt, though.

One big perk of soft subbing Greedo/Jabba scenes might be that people can choose between theatrically accurate placement and subtitles shifted into the black bars (I for one would enjoy an option of unobstructed image). And your preservation of the Han Shoots Only (First, as we know, is a misnomer) scene would be more widely accessible for others to use for examples or in their own projects; so… two, two big perks!

dahmage said:

Harmy said:

Actually, with the new, slightly altered, mission statement of making v3.0 something like what a proper official BD release of the unaltered versions would look like, I was thinking about using soft subs, which would match the theatricals as close as possible in shape and size (can subtitles be rendered from images - I mean, if I cut the subs directly from one frame of a 35mm scan, could that be turned into a soft sub?) and have seamless branching for the crawls/credits of the foreign language versions.
Alternatively, seamless branching could be used for the subs as well and should be easy enough to do for Greedo but for Jabba, i would be a pain in the a.

I’m hoping to work directly with NJVC for the official release this time, so it would depend on what he thinks he could pull off.

I have quite a few idea’s that i would love to see happen if a blu-ray is part of the official release.

• PIP (BD-J required?) to show despecialization while watching the main movie.
• included script to swap which subtitles are included on the disc before burning.
• included script to swap which audio tracks are included on the disc before burning.

in fact, i would love to see the iso stripped of the main .m2ts file and distributed as a much smaller download, then with a script that muxes the mkv into the iso. In theory we could have an iso that is OK to distribute publicly. and also a way to have a normal sized download that gives you the mkv for local playback on a computer or smart-tv, but also a bonus of having all the pieces you need to generate the ISO before burning (But no need to keep the full ISO around taking up HD space).

But all of this takes work obviously. I don’t know if anyone has software that can do the PIP part (requires two video streams in the transport stream i believe, and the second one can be SD). So obviously that is a pie-in the sky dream.

But the rest with the script and all that i would love to see, and would be willing to help with. Sorry if i took this off-topic.

You do realize the kind of support questions we get as things are now is already frightening… What sort of world of hurt are you trying to bring down upon us?

yoda-sama said:

dahmage said:

Harmy said:

Actually, with the new, slightly altered, mission statement of making v3.0 something like what a proper official BD release of the unaltered versions would look like, I was thinking about using soft subs, which would match the theatricals as close as possible in shape and size (can subtitles be rendered from images - I mean, if I cut the subs directly from one frame of a 35mm scan, could that be turned into a soft sub?) and have seamless branching for the crawls/credits of the foreign language versions.
Alternatively, seamless branching could be used for the subs as well and should be easy enough to do for Greedo but for Jabba, i would be a pain in the a.

I’m hoping to work directly with NJVC for the official release this time, so it would depend on what he thinks he could pull off.

I have quite a few idea’s that i would love to see happen if a blu-ray is part of the official release.

• PIP (BD-J required?) to show despecialization while watching the main movie.
• included script to swap which subtitles are included on the disc before burning.
• included script to swap which audio tracks are included on the disc before burning.

in fact, i would love to see the iso stripped of the main .m2ts file and distributed as a much smaller download, then with a script that muxes the mkv into the iso. In theory we could have an iso that is OK to distribute publicly. and also a way to have a normal sized download that gives you the mkv for local playback on a computer or smart-tv, but also a bonus of having all the pieces you need to generate the ISO before burning (But no need to keep the full ISO around taking up HD space).

But all of this takes work obviously. I don’t know if anyone has software that can do the PIP part (requires two video streams in the transport stream i believe, and the second one can be SD). So obviously that is a pie-in the sky dream.

But the rest with the script and all that i would love to see, and would be willing to help with. Sorry if i took this off-topic.

You do realize the kind of support questions we get as things are now is already frightening… What sort of world of hurt are you trying to bring down upon us?

no hurt, it is very realistic to write scripts that can take two known inputs, and reliably create a known output.

dahmage said:

yoda-sama said:

dahmage said:

Harmy said:

Actually, with the new, slightly altered, mission statement of making v3.0 something like what a proper official BD release of the unaltered versions would look like, I was thinking about using soft subs, which would match the theatricals as close as possible in shape and size (can subtitles be rendered from images - I mean, if I cut the subs directly from one frame of a 35mm scan, could that be turned into a soft sub?) and have seamless branching for the crawls/credits of the foreign language versions.
Alternatively, seamless branching could be used for the subs as well and should be easy enough to do for Greedo but for Jabba, i would be a pain in the a.

I’m hoping to work directly with NJVC for the official release this time, so it would depend on what he thinks he could pull off.

I have quite a few idea’s that i would love to see happen if a blu-ray is part of the official release.

• PIP (BD-J required?) to show despecialization while watching the main movie.
• included script to swap which subtitles are included on the disc before burning.
• included script to swap which audio tracks are included on the disc before burning.

in fact, i would love to see the iso stripped of the main .m2ts file and distributed as a much smaller download, then with a script that muxes the mkv into the iso. In theory we could have an iso that is OK to distribute publicly. and also a way to have a normal sized download that gives you the mkv for local playback on a computer or smart-tv, but also a bonus of having all the pieces you need to generate the ISO before burning (But no need to keep the full ISO around taking up HD space).

But all of this takes work obviously. I don’t know if anyone has software that can do the PIP part (requires two video streams in the transport stream i believe, and the second one can be SD). So obviously that is a pie-in the sky dream.

But the rest with the script and all that i would love to see, and would be willing to help with. Sorry if i took this off-topic.

You do realize the kind of support questions we get as things are now is already frightening… What sort of world of hurt are you trying to bring down upon us?

no hurt, it is very realistic to write scripts that can take two known inputs, and reliably create a known output.

Agreed, I just feel it isn’t very realistic that people will follow instructions.

Dang. Two worlds of hurts back to back!

I agree, though. Getting seamless branching working (thanks again, Williarob) was a challenge enough. Getting a BD-J disc authored and working would be a nightmare, as cool as those picture-in-picture features are.

towne32 said:

Dang. Two worlds of hurts back to back!

I agree, though. Getting seamless branching working (thanks again, Williarob) was a challenge enough. Getting a BD-J disc authored and working would be a nightmare, as cool as those picture-in-picture features are.

Nightmare?

I’d prefer hardsubs, but only because my media player doesn’t recognize the forced sub flag. For a BD itself, I see no issue though.

CatBus said:

One more thing: if Despecialized went all soft-sub, that would require changes to most subs. Not just foreign subs where translations of alien dialogue would shift back down to the bottom of the frame, but also English subs, which currently skip over the alien dialogue entirely. English subs in particular would need the most work, since you’d need to merge the standard-appearance subtitles for the rest of the film with the theatrical-appearance subtitles for Greedo’s dialogue. We’d also need to consider if we want to use theatrical-appearance alien subs in the other languages where we have them (Italian, French, German). It’s all doable, but it’s significant.

V3.0, if anything warrants a fresh take on subtitles, this would be it. Finally fully Despecialized in “Full HD”, might as well give all the subtitles some extra touch up while at it… and it’ll take Harmy a while to produce v3.0 anyway, so it isn’t like there’s an imminent time crunch to worry about.

towne32 said:

Sounds reasonable

Unless you’re a Steve Allen sock, you’re stealing my bit.

What is meant by “branching opening crawls?”

towne32 said:

MusicallyInspired said:

I cannot STAND soft subtitles. But it’s your decision obviously on which you want to use. But consider this, TFA has burned-in subtitles not soft subtitles. So it IS something an official Bluray would do, is it not?

I think an official blu-ray may or may not have burnt in subtitles. But they wouldn’t have the gate weave, slight blurring, etc.

TFA’s seem slightly blurry. In fact they resemble the OT burned in subs pretty closely. Font, blur and all.

MusicallyInspired said:

What is meant by “branching opening crawls?”

Branching is when there are different sets of video/audio that can be played based on a selected path; so in this case, if you wanted to watch the English '77 crawl, you’d select that in a menu and it would play the crawl and then proceed on to the normal video of the rest of the movie, if you wanted the '81 crawl or a Spanish crawl, you’d select that, the selected one would play and then it would proceed on to the normal video. Basically, instead of one contiguous movie, it would be broken up into parts that “seamlessly” (you’d hope) jump from one to another to form the full movie. It can be complicated and doesn’t always work out so well with the tools available to the masses.

CatBus said:

MusicallyInspired said:

What is meant by “branching opening crawls?”

towne32 said:

MusicallyInspired said:

I cannot STAND soft subtitles. But it’s your decision obviously on which you want to use. But consider this, TFA has burned-in subtitles not soft subtitles. So it IS something an official Bluray would do, is it not?

I think an official blu-ray may or may not have burnt in subtitles. But they wouldn’t have the gate weave, slight blurring, etc.

TFA’s seem slightly blurry. In fact they resemble the OT burned in subs pretty closely. Font, blur and all.

Yeah, DVD soft subtitles were crap, but Blu-rays can look pretty good if anyone bothers to make them look that way. Not theatrical, but good. Blur is very doable, but gate weave, grain, dirt, and any sort of temporal appearance change would not.

Like I said earlier, TFA’s subs are not soft they’re burned in. And better looking or not, I dislike soft subs immensely for ripping reasons.

Swift S. Lawliet said:

towne32 said:

Dang. Two worlds of hurts back to back!

I agree, though. Getting seamless branching working (thanks again, Williarob) was a challenge enough. Getting a BD-J disc authored and working would be a nightmare, as cool as those picture-in-picture features are.

I think PiP doesn’t need BD-J, since the Japanese Studio Ghibli Blu-rays have no BD-J and they have PiP features in the Storyboards (essentially watch the workprint version of the film where it’s entirely storyboards) and the discs are not BD-J.

The PiP feature in the Storyboards in the Japanese Ghibli Blu-rays is that the workprint takes up the entire screen, you can choose whether the final film can be seen in a smaller window and you can even choose which corner to put the final film’s window.

The US Ghibli Blu-rays, however, don’t have the PiP feature for the workprint storyboards.

And while most people don’t like watching the workprint feature which is a standard for most Ghibli releases, I actually love watching the storyboard versions. I love watching workprints of films, and I really love it when they include a workprint as an extra on the official Blu-ray or DVD.

But I’m getting sidetracked. What I’m saying is that if the Ghibli Blu-rays to get PiP working without BD-J, then it’s theoretically possible for most.

Sounds like true PIP then, and not just burned in? Very cool.

I would like to rewatch the original trilogy, only this time with the theatrical versions of the movies. How do I get these versions?

oojason said:

HomokHarcos said:

I would like to rewatch the original trilogy, only this time with the theatrical versions of the movies. How do I get these versions?

Take the time to read through the thread…

Read the 1st post of the 1st page of this thread - take note of the link that says ‘The Ultimate Introductory Guide’ - please remember… to acquire the Despecialized Editions you must own a copy of Original Trilogy on blu ray or the HD digital download.

OK I’ll buy the Amazon HD copies. Sorry I just joined today so if I can find out how to post a picture of my purchase history on Amazon I’ll do that.

Edit: Nevermind, it looks like the Amazon Video versions are only available in the USA and I live in Canada.