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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 129
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Funny. I think there will be a lot of this kind of thing back and forth. I look forward to it!
The blue elephant in the room.
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Yeah, people need to remember that these are just fantasy movies in space and enjoy them without feeling the need to explain every nitpick and fix every continuity error and improve every shoddy, unconvincing effect. I mean, who spends years of their life doing that?!
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https://nerdist.com/the-last-jedi-mark-hamill-mo-cap-performance-canto-bight/
Interesting how he says he never had the chance to do mo-cap before, I can only assume he means in film as he’s done both mo-cap and performance capture for Star Citizen in the past year or two. He plays one of the lead characters in it’s single player side of the game, just like he did in Wing Commander many years ago.
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Nice, thanks for the share.
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Yeah, people need to remember that these are just fantasy movies in space and enjoy them without feeling the need to explain every nitpick and fix every continuity error and improve every shoddy, unconvincing effect. I mean, who spends years of their life doing that?!
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It’s already been posted, and it’s not true at all.
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One thing I didn’t like was you have Return of the Jedi. And then a couple of movies later you have The Last Jedi with apparently Luke being the last Jedi. It kind of makes the “Return” rather pointless.
Return of the Jedi= Vader turning back to the light.
It can be both. But Luke does become a Jedi inbetween Empire and Jedi. Which is a new Jedi when they had previously been hunted down and killed and some went into hiding. So the Jedi were back with Luke becoming one, and helping to defeat Vader and the Emperor who had been hunting the Jedi down.
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Luke ran away at a moment when he could have stayed and averted the entire rise of the First Order. It was precisely because Luke left that Snoke Kylo and others had an opportunity to lay waste to the galaxy. This is also why, while I love aspects of the epicness of Luke’s end on Crait, the argument that we should celebrate Luke’s effort as something that should inspire the galaxy and was an amazing act of sacrifice requires me to completely ignore the fact that Luke’s cowardice created and then grew the very enemies he is now being lauded for inspiring people to fight back against.
Lets celebrate Luke simply holding off (not defeating) enemies that have already essentially crushed everything he and his friends worked their entire lives for, enemies that he could have stopped before they even got started, if he had simply not run away. Yay?
By contrast, Obi-Wan and Yoda went into exile not as cowards but because they were literally all that was left of their order, but even in spite of that they had a plan in place to fight back against their enemies. They were playing the long game.
Luke on the other hand played no sort of game and just peaced out. Yet in the end I should celebrate the fact that he has basically brought the good guys back to a barely less state than they were when we first began his path in the Force. Honestly that’s pathetic.
And thats the bottom line for so many of us, they made Luke Skywalker pathetic. Even his victory and redemption really means nothing in the end. True victory and redemption would have been to not only acknowledge his cowardice openly (he never does) but also actually make up for it by striking his own blow to the first order.
Why not let Luke be able to get to do the damage that the Holdo Maneuver caused, for example, and go out in a blaze of glory? (I suggested this in another forum) Have him actually show up in the flesh on Crait before the rebels land there and still have all their transports, and bring down the star destroyer into the planet, killing him but giving the Resistance/rebels critical time to escape and (this is the key part) dealing the first order a critical blow, essentially making up in a small way for letting them become so big during his exile. Being more than just a distraction. He deserved something more like that.
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One thing I didn’t like was you have Return of the Jedi. And then a couple of movies later you have The Last Jedi with apparently Luke being the last Jedi. It kind of makes the “Return” rather pointless.
Ah, but remember Yoda’s words in ROTJ, “Luke, when gone am I… the last of the Jedi will you be.”
He was being totally serious and literal.
Yes, last of the Jedi in that moment as Obi-Wan had already died and Yoda was dying. But after watching ROTJ with it being called “Return of the Jedi”. I always took that to mean that the Jedi were back at the end of the movie. i.e. the Jedi were previously hunted down and nearly all killed pre-Episode IV. And Luke caused the death of Vader and the Emperor and then Luke became a “new” Jedi.
And so I had always imagined that after ROTJ, that the Jedi were back. i.e. Luke trains new Jedi, plus they’re not being hunted down anymore, etc.
I think this is the problem some of you are having with TLJ (and by extension TFA). You have had in your mind, ever since 1983 in some cases, how things should go after ROTJ. You got something different, so you don’t like it. That’s fair, but someone else’s interpretation of how things went after ROTJ is also fair. And also happens to be what was put into theaters.
JEDIT: Spare me the “RJ’s interpretation of Luke is wrong and mine is right” argument, it’s been said over and over already.
It’s not just the story. But the new movies have crappy jokes, and badly directed and edited. Though TLJ is better directed than TFA.
I’d still like to find out if Lucas had planned on in his version there being more Storm Troopers and a “new” Empire type force in the ST.
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One thing I didn’t like was you have Return of the Jedi. And then a couple of movies later you have The Last Jedi with apparently Luke being the last Jedi. It kind of makes the “Return” rather pointless.
Return of the Jedi= Vader turning back to the light.
It can be both. But Luke does become a Jedi inbetween Empire and Jedi.
No he doesn’t.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUB6Un9TR7o&t=46s
“Not yet. One thing remains…”
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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One thing I didn’t like was you have Return of the Jedi. And then a couple of movies later you have The Last Jedi with apparently Luke being the last Jedi. It kind of makes the “Return” rather pointless.
Ah, but remember Yoda’s words in ROTJ, “Luke, when gone am I… the last of the Jedi will you be.”
He was being totally serious and literal.
Yes, last of the Jedi in that moment as Obi-Wan had already died and Yoda was dying. But after watching ROTJ with it being called “Return of the Jedi”. I always took that to mean that the Jedi were back at the end of the movie. i.e. the Jedi were previously hunted down and nearly all killed pre-Episode IV. And Luke caused the death of Vader and the Emperor and then Luke became a “new” Jedi.
And so I had always imagined that after ROTJ, that the Jedi were back. i.e. Luke trains new Jedi, plus they’re not being hunted down anymore, etc.
I think this is the problem some of you are having with TLJ (and by extension TFA). You have had in your mind, ever since 1983 in some cases, how things should go after ROTJ. You got something different, so you don’t like it. That’s fair, but someone else’s interpretation of how things went after ROTJ is also fair. And also happens to be what was put into theaters.
JEDIT: Spare me the “RJ’s interpretation of Luke is wrong and mine is right” argument, it’s been said over and over already.
It’s not just the story. But the new movies have crappy jokes, and badly directed and edited. Though TLJ is better directed than TFA.
I know people hate that TFA was supposedly a rehash of ANH but I didn’t realize it was also poorly directed and edited.
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One thing I didn’t like was you have Return of the Jedi. And then a couple of movies later you have The Last Jedi with apparently Luke being the last Jedi. It kind of makes the “Return” rather pointless.
Return of the Jedi= Vader turning back to the light.
It can be both. But Luke does become a Jedi inbetween Empire and Jedi.
No he doesn’t.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUB6Un9TR7o&t=46s
“Not yet. One thing remains…”
Well, then Luke becomes a Jedi at the end of the movie? Fits even better with Return of the Jedi being Luke becomes a “new” Jedi since 30+ years prior.
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One thing I didn’t like was you have Return of the Jedi. And then a couple of movies later you have The Last Jedi with apparently Luke being the last Jedi. It kind of makes the “Return” rather pointless.
Return of the Jedi= Vader turning back to the light.
It can be both. But Luke does become a Jedi inbetween Empire and Jedi.
No he doesn’t.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUB6Un9TR7o&t=46s
“Not yet. One thing remains…”
Well, then Luke becomes a Jedi at the end of the movie? Fits even better with Return of the Jedi being Luke becomes a “new” Jedi since 30+ years prior.
What?
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One thing I didn’t like was you have Return of the Jedi. And then a couple of movies later you have The Last Jedi with apparently Luke being the last Jedi. It kind of makes the “Return” rather pointless.
Return of the Jedi= Vader turning back to the light.
It can be both. But Luke does become a Jedi inbetween Empire and Jedi.
No he doesn’t.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUB6Un9TR7o&t=46s
“Not yet. One thing remains…”
Well, then Luke becomes a Jedi at the end of the movie? Fits even better with Return of the Jedi being Luke becomes a “new” Jedi since 30+ years prior.
What?
I think it was a period instead of a question mark on his reply.
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That’s the least confusing part.
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Luke ran away at a moment when he could have stayed and averted the entire rise of the First Order. It was precisely because Luke left that Snoke Kylo and others had an opportunity to lay waste to the galaxy. This is also why, while I love aspects of the epicness of Luke’s end on Crait, the argument that we should celebrate Luke’s effort as something that should inspire the galaxy and was an amazing act of sacrifice requires me to completely ignore the fact that Luke’s cowardice created and then grew the very enemies he is now being lauded for inspiring people to fight back against.
Lets celebrate Luke simply holding off (not defeating) enemies that have already essentially crushed everything he and his friends worked their entire lives for, enemies that he could have stopped before they even got started, if he had simply not run away. Yay?
By contrast, Obi-Wan and Yoda went into exile not as cowards but because they were literally all that was left of their order, but even in spite of that they had a plan in place to fight back against their enemies. They were playing the long game.
Luke on the other hand played no sort of game and just peaced out. Yet in the end I should celebrate the fact that he has basically brought the good guys back to a barely less state than they were when we first began his path in the Force. Honestly that’s pathetic.
And thats the bottom line for so many of us, they made Luke Skywalker pathetic. Even his victory and redemption really means nothing in the end. True victory and redemption would have been to not only acknowledge his cowardice openly (he never does) but also actually make up for it by striking his own blow to the first order.
Why not let Luke be able to get to do the damage that the Holdo Maneuver caused, for example, and go out in a blaze of glory? (I suggested this in another forum) Have him actually show up in the flesh on Crait before the rebels land there and still have all their transports, and bring down the star destroyer into the planet, killing him but giving the Resistance/rebels critical time to escape and (this is the key part) dealing the first order a critical blow, essentially making up in a small way for letting them become so big during his exile. Being more than just a distraction. He deserved something more like that.
The movie explored the nature of heroism - it’s not just about fighting what you hate, it’s saving what you love. Rose spells that out in a really cheesy dumb line at the end there in case you missed it. You can disagree with the message, but that’s still a part of RotJ and Star Wars in general to me.
Luke by the end of his arc in the OT learned to deal with things not with a lightsaber and violence, but with patience and a little compassion. He refused to strike down his father and threw his lightsaber away in a demonstration of his ideals. I don’t think his style is to wreck shit with a lightsaber and deal “critical blows.” Especially before the events of TFA, to a faction that hadn’t even done anything yet. And I’d wager being a force ghost and “more powerful than you can possibly imagine” is a lot better than kamikazing the FO just to hurt them.
Yes, his failure with Ben was a failure of himself and those ideals. But that’s the point of his guilt and disillusionment in himself. I don’t think he’d so soon after shamefully giving into his fear - if even for a second - do the same thing again, just with Snoke and the FO prior to TFA. After he has spent so long and gone through so much to develop that wisdom, he’s not going to make the same mistake twice. So he did what he thought was best, stay away. End the Jedi. To stop this madness forever. This whole cycle - the teachings that turned Vader and Kylo - ends with him. After all, the force and the light of it don’t belong to the Jedi Order. There will always be good and light with or without them. Just like there was still darkness after the Sith, otherwise we wouldn’t have Snoke.
I just don’t think TLJ asks us to celebrate Luke as an infallible legend, but as a man - more like you and me - who, in spite of his failures, was able to get back up from a rut and find a hero inside himself again. In some ways, that’s more true to the humanity of the character than the version many people wanted to see. The idea is that no one really deserves that burden. We’re all just people at the end of the day, even your heroes.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d be fine if we got the other thing too. But that’s what surprised me and what resonated with me with TLJ. They managed to take a less obvious path with the character that paid off in a way that was more poignant and emotional than I was expecting from Star Wars. We sometimes forget that Luke was just a simple farm boy and not always the self assured Jedi Knight from RotJ; he doesn’t lose his humanity just because he grew up. That was always his strength and what won against the Emperor in the first place - his compassion and love for his father. He wasn’t special because he kicked ass.
edit: WOW i’ve been beating a dead horse, i’ll shut up now. i just see the same thing all the time and no one ever responds to what i say all the way im sorry
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Luke ran away at a moment when he could have stayed and averted the entire rise of the First Order. It was precisely because Luke left that Snoke Kylo and others had an opportunity to lay waste to the galaxy. This is also why, while I love aspects of the epicness of Luke’s end on Crait, the argument that we should celebrate Luke’s effort as something that should inspire the galaxy and was an amazing act of sacrifice requires me to completely ignore the fact that Luke’s cowardice created and then grew the very enemies he is now being lauded for inspiring people to fight back against.
Lets celebrate Luke simply holding off (not defeating) enemies that have already essentially crushed everything he and his friends worked their entire lives for, enemies that he could have stopped before they even got started, if he had simply not run away. Yay?
By contrast, Obi-Wan and Yoda went into exile not as cowards but because they were literally all that was left of their order, but even in spite of that they had a plan in place to fight back against their enemies. They were playing the long game.
Luke on the other hand played no sort of game and just peaced out. Yet in the end I should celebrate the fact that he has basically brought the good guys back to a barely less state than they were when we first began his path in the Force. Honestly that’s pathetic.
And thats the bottom line for so many of us, they made Luke Skywalker pathetic. Even his victory and redemption really means nothing in the end. True victory and redemption would have been to not only acknowledge his cowardice openly (he never does) but also actually make up for it by striking his own blow to the first order.
Why not let Luke be able to get to do the damage that the Holdo Maneuver caused, for example, and go out in a blaze of glory? (I suggested this in another forum) Have him actually show up in the flesh on Crait before the rebels land there and still have all their transports, and bring down the star destroyer into the planet, killing him but giving the Resistance/rebels critical time to escape and (this is the key part) dealing the first order a critical blow, essentially making up in a small way for letting them become so big during his exile. Being more than just a distraction. He deserved something more like that.
The movie explored the nature of heroism - it’s not just about fighting what you hate, it’s saving what you love. Rose spells that out in a really cheesy dumb line at the end there in case you missed it. You can disagree with the message, but that’s still a part of RotJ and Star Wars in general to me.
Luke by the end of his arc in the OT learned to deal with things not with a lightsaber and violence, but with patience and a little compassion. He refused to strike down his father and threw his lightsaber away in a demonstration of his ideals. I don’t think his style is to wreck shit with a lightsaber and deal “critical blows.” Especially before the events of TFA, to a faction that hadn’t even done anything yet. And I’d wager being a force ghost and “more powerful than you can possibly imagine” is a lot better than kamikazing the FO just to hurt them.
Yes, his failure with Ben was a failure of himself and those ideals. But that’s the point of his guilt and disillusionment in himself. I don’t think he’d so soon after shamefully giving into his fear - if even for a second - do the same thing again, just with Snoke and the FO prior to TFA. After he has spent so long and gone through so much to develop that wisdom, he’s not going to make the same mistake twice. So he did what he thought was best, stay away. End the Jedi. To stop this madness forever. This whole cycle - the teachings that turned Vader and Kylo - ends with him. After all, the force and the light of it don’t belong to the Jedi Order. There will always be good and light with or without them. Just like there was still darkness after the Sith, otherwise we wouldn’t have Snoke.
I just don’t think TLJ asks us to celebrate Luke as an infallible legend, but as a man - more like you and me - who, in spite of his failures, was able to get back up from a rut and find a hero inside himself again. In some ways, that’s more true to the humanity of the character than the version many people wanted to see. The idea is that no one really deserves that burden. We’re all just people at the end of the day, even your heroes.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d be fine if we got the other thing too. But that’s what surprised me and what resonated with me with TLJ. They managed to take a less obvious path with the character that paid off in a way that was more poignant and emotional than I was expecting from Star Wars. We sometimes forget that Luke was just a simple farm boy and not always the self assured Jedi Knight from RotJ; he doesn’t lose his humanity just because he grew up. That was always his strength and what won against the Emperor in the first place - his compassion and love for his father. He wasn’t special because he kicked ass.
edit: WOW i’ve been beating a dead horse, i’ll shut up now. i just see the same thing all the time and no one ever responds to what i say all the way im sorry
All good. Outstanding post and you put a lot of time and effort into it. Nothing to apologise for. I completely get that view. Just don’t share it. I feel that by stepping away after he made his mistake of considering killing Ben (which I have decided to accept since no one’s perfect), Luke was even more guilty of not “saving what he loved” and by his passivity as a response, arguably caused the very deaths he foresaw. I guess I would think Luke as a hero would feel a sense of responsibility to use his powers to fight back especially since he is to blame for the mess of the First Order. I feel like every character should have a limit to patience and compassion especially when it causes deaths on a massive scale. But to each his or her own!
I guess the other bottom line for me was, I had been prepared for years for his death and had thought about all the ways Luke could die and how it would be the most emotional/saddest yet coolest thing ever. Luke going out in an epic blaze of glory was something I had dreamed of for years. And when he actually died, I got really confused and didn’t even realize he was dead until the scene shifted to the Falcon. That sucks but I’m glad you and others were moved by it and got to experience what I feel like I was robbed of (whether my own fault or not).
In hindsight, the callback to binary suns was absolutely beautiful (as the moment in ANH is arguably one of the most emotional moments in film history). But I feel like not even being prepared for it took away the resonance of the moment for me. Normally in movies surprises are fun, but I feel like I found out that for me, surprises take away the resonance of moments that should be moving.
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I feel like the more this discussion goes around the more distant it gets from the original source of the complaint: how we got to where we’re at.
TLJ Luke specifically is in character. What led up to that isn’t.
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One argument that I hear against Luke is that his failure led to the First Order, but that’s clearly not true. Snoke had already turned Ben while Luke was still training him, so clearly the First Order was well-established long before Luke’s mistake. All Luke did was to accelerate Ben’s defection. In fact, if he had waited to confront Ben, the situation could have been worse because of Ben’s additional training.
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