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The Last Jedi : a Fan Edit Ideas thread — Page 13

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Dat_SW_Guy said:

LordPlagueis said:

  • Restructure the opening fight sequence to eliminate the explosives falling onto the dreadnought. There is no gravity in space.

THIS

Out of all things to be up and arms about, I still have zero issue with that scene. It always looked like the bombs were being propelled via electromagnetism or similar to fall down.

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TavorX said:

Dat_SW_Guy said:

LordPlagueis said:

  • Restructure the opening fight sequence to eliminate the explosives falling onto the dreadnought. There is no gravity in space.

THIS

Out of all things to be up and arms about, I still have zero issue with that scene. It always looked like the bombs were being propelled via electromagnetism or similar to fall down.

Aye, some more info here on them…

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Oh wow, thanks for confirming that! So please, can we all “drop” this trivial matter now?

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Here is my crappy mockup of how I would change the low fuel chase scene.

https://imgur.com/a/nCoPr

If Crait was located at the center of a briar patch of black holes, it would tick certain boxes for dealing with the big issues in the sequence.

-why doesn’t the 1st order go to lightspeed to come out ahead of them? They would be swallowed by the black holes.

-why not send out fighters to destroy them?
Black Hole.

-Why does Poe Mutiny? WE ARE GOING TO DIE AT ANY MOMENT.

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The ship is fleeing the 1st order going past a black hole. fighters are being sucked in creating a giant fireball. I know its crappy. lol

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Unless I’m being extremely unimaginative, how do you fan edit in a new threat, like a black hole, if none of the characters are reacting to the fact they’re limited because of a black hole? They’re all reacting to low fuel and the barrage of fire from the First Order. Neither will the First Order acknowledge the threat, such as a black hole, preventing them from being able to hyperspace in front of them because this issue wasn’t even an issue brought up or anything similar within the film.

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Even if you have no reaction from either side, the fuel issue would work in tandem with the visual cue of being surrounded by black holes. Why have we never seen “low fuel” as a plot device before?

Because everyone assumes that a ship capable of light speed travel has no issue with energy supply. The rationale is that the fuel is low due to the environment. The black holes become the impetus for Poe’s mutiny even though we don’t say it, in true Star Wars style of exposition by sight.

Poe still opines that they are in great danger, but as the film presently runs, there is no indication of that. Having this element would just make the existing plot more believable with visual cues.

Black holes were an inherent part of the old EU via the Maw Cluster/kessel run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4SFneu4JaY

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Gimpy said:

Even if you have no reaction from either side, the fuel issue would work in tandem with the visual cue of being surrounded by black holes. Why have we never seen “low fuel” as a plot device before?

Ric Olie:
There’s not enough power to get us to Coruscant…the hyperdrive is leaking.

Qui-Gon Jinn:
We’ll have to land somewhere to refuel and repair the ship.

Because everyone assumes that a ship capable of light speed travel has no issue with energy supply. The rationale is that the fuel is low due to the environment. The black holes become the impetus for Poe’s mutiny even though we don’t say it, in true Star Wars style of exposition by sight.

You can go way back as far as A New Hope; right before all the ships take off to attack the Death Star, you see people detaching fuel lines from the ships before take off.
Also not quite sure what you mean by “true Star Wars style of exposition by sight”. Did everyone in the Falcon during the asteroid sequence never mention a word about the asteroids and its danger? 3PO goes out of his way to tell us just how dangerous it is. So yes, I still think it would be a very tough fan edit to pull off because there’s zero mention about the system or area being dangerous because of black holes and no where in the Star Wars movies are black holes ever an issue (except for the time Han mentions making the jump to lightspeed is dangerous without precise calculations because you could ligthspeed right into a supernova).

Poe still opines that they are in great danger, but as the film presently runs, there is no indication of that. Having this element would just make the existing plot more believable with visual cues.

But the danger is present; you see ships that actually lose fuel begin to drift aimlessly through space into the trap of the First Order’s barrage of fire.

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I know that fuel is part of the Star Wars galaxy, but it hasn’t been used this way (minus the Phantom Menace, which btw was a terrible plot device then too.) It was also a fleeting plot device, not a thread central to the narrative.

The Hyperdrive leaking was not the impetus for a half hour drawn out chase scene.

One issue I have with that sequence is that the 1st order could literally just kill everyone with Tie Fighters any time,but choose not to. Han, Leia, and 3PO react to the asteroids, but the imperials do not.

What I mean by exposition by sight is that there are things you did not need to be told to understand in the original movies. Watch the asteroid sequence in ESB again. The empire never mentions “Oh no, Asteroids! How do we catch those rebels?” The main trio reacts to it largely for comedic effect and not drama. Music and visual cues drive the drama in that sequence.

The issue with the sequence in The Last Jedi as it is, isn’t that the low fuel plot device doesn’t work, its that it falls flat for any audience member who thinks about it.

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Gimpy said:
What I mean by exposition by sight is that there are things you did not need to be told to understand in the original movies. Watch the asteroid sequence in ESB again. The empire never mentions “Oh no, Asteroids!” The main trio does it for comedic effect and not drama.

Admiral Piett: Our ships have sighted the Millennium Falcon, Lord. But it has entered an asteroid field and we can not risk…

Darth Vader: [interrupting] Asteroids do not concern me, Admiral! I want that ship, not excuses!

The issue with the sequence in The Last Jedi isn’t that the low fuel doesn’t work, its that it falls flat for any audience member who thinks about it.

Sure I agree its flimsy, but I still don’t agree adding a new threat like black holes works on any level because it seems like it requires massive fan editing skills. So let’s sit with black hole plot line for a moment. Your main issue is that it doesn’t make sense for the Tie Fighters to pull back. Now we’re adding black holes to make it believable that it’s dangerous for the FO to send its fighters due to the risk of black holes. Okay wait, why is this not a risk for the Resistance cruiser? Are they so close to one that it sucks fighters and other ships, like the medical frigate, into it? Or are you going for the intention that the cruiser is going towards it intentionally? And if so, it doesn’t fix the fighter element because then they could simply attack the cruiser well before they hit the black hole. And then on top of that, you’d have weak and defenseless transports leave the ship to get to Crait, without any issue of avoiding the black hole…?

It just sounds like introducing this new threat will create more problems than fix imo.

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Okay wait, why is this not a risk for the Resistance cruiser?

It is a risk for the resistance cruiser and feeds Poe’s need to start a mutiny. The audience is smart enough to grapple with their own ideas of perceived danger/issues.

More than Tie Fighters being the issue, why didn’t the 1st order jump ahead of the resistance vessels and tractor them?

This idea of mine has logical holes of its own, just as the Asteroid chase did in Empire, but the implementation of the chase as it is now wreaks of being a mcguffen and bad writing.

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marduk666 said:

Hellspawn said:

  • Complete disregard of Vader as a character after he had already been set up in TFA as a major influencer and inspiration to Kylo. After a few mean words from Snoke, Kylo smashes his helmet to pieces, symbolically smashing his obsessed Vader-like aspirations and everything that had been set up in the previous movie. Trying to delete Vader from a Skywalker-saga SW movie is like trying to delete Hitler from a WWII documentary. Can’t you wait until you get you start your own non-Skywalker SW trilogy, Rian?

  • General Hux was set up, almost literally, as a young ascendant Hitler in TFA. Now he is the butt of silly tone-deaf jokes? I thought Kathleen Kennedy was supposed to be supervising Rian?

  • Snoke’s comment about the Dark in Rey and the Light

  • Kylo, Yoda, and Luke all talked about destroying the past. I didn’t really mind this at all until I realized the second, much deeper meaning of this dialog was that Rian Johnson was ACTUALLY COMMENTING ABOUT THE PAST STAR WARS MOVIES THEMSELVES WITHIN THE MOVIE HE WAS COMMISSIONED TO DIRECT! He was literally talking about destroying all the Star Wars tropes that came before HIS movie.
    The movie almost feels like Rian Johnson hates J.J. Abrams. “Oh you created Poe to be a hero, you think Snoke should be an important character, you want Rey’s bloodlines to be important, you probably wanted Luke to be a more heroic character, you wanted Vader’s presence to be felt through his inspiration of Kylo? Well I am going to kill the past because this is MY movie! Oh… And I bet you thought the Knights of Ren was a cool idea too. Well, fuck you about that too.”

I do think there is a good Star Wars movie in there somewhere utilizing TLJ footage as a rough cut.

I agree with your long post and these couple paragraphs nail it

Thanks! I probably should have made the post a little briefer, but thanks for reading!

How about Poe’s character though? It feels like they took a hero from TFA and turned him into one of those commercials you see every day on TV where the wife is the clever one and the husband is barely smart enough to chew his food and would be lost without her. (Because of course, it would be highly offensive if the wife was made stupid.) Disclaimer: I am HUGELY in favor of women and diversity in SW–as stated in my post, but don’t take a character who has already been established as a competent heroic leader make him a moron simply to fulfill a feminist agenda.

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Hellspawn said:

marduk666 said:

Hellspawn said:

  • Complete disregard of Vader as a character after he had already been set up in TFA as a major influencer and inspiration to Kylo. After a few mean words from Snoke, Kylo smashes his helmet to pieces, symbolically smashing his obsessed Vader-like aspirations and everything that had been set up in the previous movie. Trying to delete Vader from a Skywalker-saga SW movie is like trying to delete Hitler from a WWII documentary. Can’t you wait until you get you start your own non-Skywalker SW trilogy, Rian?

  • General Hux was set up, almost literally, as a young ascendant Hitler in TFA. Now he is the butt of silly tone-deaf jokes? I thought Kathleen Kennedy was supposed to be supervising Rian?

  • Snoke’s comment about the Dark in Rey and the Light

  • Kylo, Yoda, and Luke all talked about destroying the past. I didn’t really mind this at all until I realized the second, much deeper meaning of this dialog was that Rian Johnson was ACTUALLY COMMENTING ABOUT THE PAST STAR WARS MOVIES THEMSELVES WITHIN THE MOVIE HE WAS COMMISSIONED TO DIRECT! He was literally talking about destroying all the Star Wars tropes that came before HIS movie.
    The movie almost feels like Rian Johnson hates J.J. Abrams. “Oh you created Poe to be a hero, you think Snoke should be an important character, you want Rey’s bloodlines to be important, you probably wanted Luke to be a more heroic character, you wanted Vader’s presence to be felt through his inspiration of Kylo? Well I am going to kill the past because this is MY movie! Oh… And I bet you thought the Knights of Ren was a cool idea too. Well, fuck you about that too.”

I do think there is a good Star Wars movie in there somewhere utilizing TLJ footage as a rough cut.

I agree with your long post and these couple paragraphs nail it

Thanks! I probably should have made the post a little briefer, but thanks for reading!

How about Poe’s character though? It feels like they took a hero from TFA and turned him into one of those commercials you see every day on TV where the wife is the clever one and the husband is barely smart enough to chew his food and would be lost without her. (Because of course, it would be highly offensive if the wife was made stupid.) Disclaimer: I am HUGELY in favor of women and diversity in SW–as stated in my post, but don’t take a character who has already been established as a competent heroic leader make him a moron simply to fulfill a feminist agenda.

Yeah, I felt Oscar Isacc has been wasted so far. Probably the most talented of the new cast, along with Adam Driver, but his character is almost non-existent as far as how much he moves the plot forward.

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There was something that bothered me about the throne room sequence. The praetorian guards are just mooks that Rey and kylo deal with after snoke. Why would they just throw their lives away. I assume these are highly loyal bad ass soldiers but not dumb robots. They see snoke dead. They attack. They see he died by a light saber that was sitting at his throne. Kylo would be the next in line would they now be loyal to him? These guys are loyal to snoke or the first order?

While I really liked the cool fight scene, Rey and kylo’s enemy lacked purpose. What if it were rearranged. Kylo and Rey fight the praetorian guard before snoke dies. This would be a condensed fight. I do not know if it would work. But the mopping up of the mooks after the big show stopper of snoke dieing changes the pacing and tone. After they mop them up there is great dialog there too.

This is one of the best parts of the movie, and messing with it may not be worth while or possible. But…

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I’m not sure how it would work. In my mind, they’re the Knights of Ren.

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Handman said:

I’m not sure how it would work. In my mind, they’re the Knights of Ren.

My thought too, so why would they attack him.

I also did not like in the recollection of Luke wanting to kill his nephew in his sleep, the Knights of Ren never came up. What exactly was snoke doing to these guys to get them to turn to the dark side? We may never know.

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FWIW, here’s my current intended cutlist for an edit of THE LAST JEDI. Of course, any of these may or may not be feasible once I actually have the ripped film to address in a NLE.

  • Reign in the SNL opening with Poe and Hux.

  • Remove or trim BB8’s wack-a-mole repairs (as part of broader effort to remove ‘Droids’ stuff, just like in AOTC and ROTS)

  • Only because I’d already be editing the film at this point and not because this is in any way called for, try to have the first scene with Luke appear overcast as TFA was. Whatever filter used to achieve this could be gradually faded out over the course of the sequence.

  • Somehow remove Maz’s Battlefront Skype call, if at all possible.

  • Possibly replace ignition sound of Anakin’s lightsaber. (I do not recall whether this is needed, and a close re-listen to TFA showed me that they appear to have blended the original ignition sound with a new sound, which I can accept. If that’s the case in TLJ, that’ll work. If not, I plan to replace the ignition sound with that from TFA. I do, however, recall the quick red-guard headshot sound effect as being a non-ignition sound effect, which I will leave alone because I understand why its like that.)

  • Keep the scene with Chewie about to eat a porg, though remove the final porg giving him the sad eyes.

  • If deleted scenes make this possible, give Rey her promised third lesson from Luke.

  • Undecided on removing the entire horse chase. If so, simply have Finn and Rose follow DJ out of the cell and we will revisit them later already in hyperspace. If the horse chase stays, perhaps cut away from DJ after he asks BB8, “Did you do this?” in order to remove more ‘Droids’ stuff. If the horse chase stays, either remove the final scene with broom boy, or else just remove the closeup with the ring.

  • Remove BB8 commandeering an AT-ST, and ensuing jog toward an escape shuttle.

  • Remove Poe’s “big ass door.” Hopefully that shot is static, so a simple crossfade or similar trickery will make it work, saying “Let’s just hope that door holds out,” or whatever the exact line is.

  • Similarly, remove Finn’s unnecessary line about the battering ram being “old Death Star tech.” (Let’s never reference the Death Star in another ‘saga’ film ever again.)

  • I’ll ask anyone here who is willing, to stabilize the crate Luke sits down on while talking with Leia. The filmmakers bothered to not have him physically interact with the ground, or make walking foley sounds, so this seems like a small but positive change to make. (You just gotta do stuff like this while you’ve got everything cracked open.)

  • Remove the porg smacking against the Falcon window.

  • Possibly remove the dice from the end. I guess it’s there to make you think Luke is physically present, then Leia leaves them behind, and then they disappear? I don’t know. It was one last thing to not understand in the movie. (Just kidding; the Jedi texts make a split second cameo after this point. Speaking of them, I won’t remove them because I’m sure they’ll play a role in XI, and people will ask how Rey has them just like people ask where 3PO’s red arm went in VIII.)

Unfortunately, I don’t really have any forthcoming ideas for real creativity aside from just removing things. I’m sure ideas will float up to our collective consciousness in time.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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I’m not super concerned about small things or moments of humor, except perhaps BB-8’s AT-ST antics. My idea for editing this right now is to remove the evacuation of the Resistance base entirely, and make a crawl that implies that the First Order already has the Resistance on the run. Start the movie with Rey on the island, and spend the opening scenes there and with her communications with Kylo. Then bring in Canto Bight as a re-introduction of the Resistance, and only after this do we meet up with Leia and Poe.

I’ll be seeing the movie again tomorrow, so I’ll be looking to see if this is at all feasible.

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Is there any way to make the time gap between VII and VIII seem larger?

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Best way is a two-pronged approach - editing VII so it ends with Rey and Chewie taking off on the Falcon, and moving VII’s final scenes of them landing on Ahch-To to VIII, at which point you can open the film with those scenes or with some Resistance stuff and then to the Jedi Steps scenes. A new crawl can imply some time having passed, and we can assume the journey to Ahch-To was a pretty long one more easily when the takeoff is in one film and the landing is in another.

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EyeShotFirst said:

Hellspawn said:

marduk666 said:

Hellspawn said:

  • Complete disregard of Vader as a character after he had already been set up in TFA as a major influencer and inspiration to Kylo. After a few mean words from Snoke, Kylo smashes his helmet to pieces, symbolically smashing his obsessed Vader-like aspirations and everything that had been set up in the previous movie. Trying to delete Vader from a Skywalker-saga SW movie is like trying to delete Hitler from a WWII documentary. Can’t you wait until you get you start your own non-Skywalker SW trilogy, Rian?

  • General Hux was set up, almost literally, as a young ascendant Hitler in TFA. Now he is the butt of silly tone-deaf jokes? I thought Kathleen Kennedy was supposed to be supervising Rian?

  • Snoke’s comment about the Dark in Rey and the Light

  • Kylo, Yoda, and Luke all talked about destroying the past. I didn’t really mind this at all until I realized the second, much deeper meaning of this dialog was that Rian Johnson was ACTUALLY COMMENTING ABOUT THE PAST STAR WARS MOVIES THEMSELVES WITHIN THE MOVIE HE WAS COMMISSIONED TO DIRECT! He was literally talking about destroying all the Star Wars tropes that came before HIS movie.
    The movie almost feels like Rian Johnson hates J.J. Abrams. “Oh you created Poe to be a hero, you think Snoke should be an important character, you want Rey’s bloodlines to be important, you probably wanted Luke to be a more heroic character, you wanted Vader’s presence to be felt through his inspiration of Kylo? Well I am going to kill the past because this is MY movie! Oh… And I bet you thought the Knights of Ren was a cool idea too. Well, fuck you about that too.”

I do think there is a good Star Wars movie in there somewhere utilizing TLJ footage as a rough cut.

I agree with your long post and these couple paragraphs nail it

Thanks! I probably should have made the post a little briefer, but thanks for reading!

How about Poe’s character though? It feels like they took a hero from TFA and turned him into one of those commercials you see every day on TV where the wife is the clever one and the husband is barely smart enough to chew his food and would be lost without her. (Because of course, it would be highly offensive if the wife was made stupid.) Disclaimer: I am HUGELY in favor of women and diversity in SW–as stated in my post, but don’t take a character who has already been established as a competent heroic leader make him a moron simply to fulfill a feminist agenda.

Yeah, I felt Oscar Isacc has been wasted so far. Probably the most talented of the new cast, along with Adam Driver, but his character is almost non-existent as far as how much he moves the plot forward.

Poe has a pretty big part in TLJ. Characters aren’t just important insofar as how they relate to the plot (and he still plays a part in that too).

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  • Only because I’d already be editing the film at this point and not because this is in any way called for, try to have the first scene with Luke appear overcast as TFA was. Whatever filter used to achieve this could be gradually faded out over the course of the sequence.

This is something I want to do too. It’s obviously a clear indication of ‘it’s a different film, so it’s stylistically different,’ but it still kinda nags at me.

  • If deleted scenes make this possible, give Rey her promised third lesson from Luke.

One change that might be cool (no idea if possible) is to have Luke say something like “ten lessons,” instead of three. Then change his second lesson to his fourth or something. Just to make it seem like there’s more happening off screen.

  • Possibly remove the dice from the end. I guess it’s there to make you think Luke is physically present, then Leia leaves them behind, and then they disappear? I don’t know. It was one last thing to not understand in the movie. (Just kidding; the Jedi texts make a split second cameo after this point. Speaking of them, I won’t remove them because I’m sure they’ll play a role in XI, and people will ask how Rey has them just like people ask where 3PO’s red arm went in VIII.)

I guess Leia knows it’s not actually him, that’s why she leaves the dice. When Kylo picks them up, it’s like with Rey closing the door on him. It’s a little ambiguous of course, but my take is that Rey and Luke know that deep down Kylo still has Ben in him and he yearns for the connection with her and his parents (despite what he says), but they can’t keep trying to turn him if he isn’t going to put the effort in. So they close the door, they rob him of the memento; he has to decide for himself if he wants to hold on or not.

As for the books, I think I’ll shut up about those. I’m really hoping someone can work magic and make C-3PO’s arm red throughout the trilogy (apparently JJ made it gold again because Anthony Daniels hated it).

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I like the idea of opening on the last scene of the TFA and connecting that with the opening of the Last Jedi. My idea would be to rescore the music of when she sees him and have her walk up to him, then pull out the lightsaber when she’s closer, she holds it out, Luke looks at her (using a shot from TFA), and then he just walks past her. With the right editing and musical rescoring, it could be very powerful.

The only issue is that you would need a crawl explaining that the Resistance has fled their base and is being chased by the First Order, which wouldn’t be hard. But someone skilled in special effects would have to create an opening shot after you pan down from the crawl showing Ach-To and THEN you would cut to the Millennium Falcon jumping out of hyperspace and them arriving (assuming you use a TFA ending like DigiMod’s).

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darthrush said:

I like the idea of opening on the last scene of the TFA and connecting that with the opening of the Last Jedi. My idea would be to rescore the music of when she sees him and have her walk up to him, then pull out the lightsaber when she’s closer, she holds it out, Luke looks at her (using a shot from TFA), and then he just walks past her. With the right editing and musical rescoring, it could be very powerful.

Man I love this idea, specially because I wasn’t a fan of the lightsaber discarding scene.