Warbler said:
chyron8472 said:
Warbler said:
chyron8472 said:
I once had a conversation about Star Wars with someone at a board game group I had attended. He disputed my saying that Padme dying in Episode III is a plothole for Leia remembering her, by saying Leia was referring to her adoptive mother–Bail Organa’s wife.
I can’t have discussions with people IRL about Star Wars when their information is inherently flawed. I mean, it obviously wouldn’t be appropriate to prove to him then and there that he didn’t know what he was talking about. If I had a conversation about it on the web, I could link a Youtube video that proves my point, but in real life that would create awkwardness.
Please link to this vid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k-3AIIiHF8
“Do you remember your mother? Your real mother?”
“Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.”
“What do you remember?”
“Just images really. Feelings.”
“Tell me.”
“She was very beautiful…kind, but sad. Why are you asking me this?”
“I have no memory of my mother. I never knew her.”
[…]
“The Force is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. And… my sister has it.”
Obviously Leia’s “real mother” refers to Padme Amidala, not Queen Breha Organa. Also, Queen Breha was alive until 0 BBY, where she was killed when Alderaan was destroyed. So Leia thinking Luke meant her makes no sense.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Breha_Organa/Legends
Is that source official canon? Nothing in the movies themselves says when Bail Organa’s wife died.
Luke says “Do you remember your mother? Your real mother?” which obviously would refer to Leia’s biological mother. If one were to assume that Leia did not know she was adopted, and that she thought Bail Organa and his wife were actually her biological parents, then it would be more of a shock to her to know that her foster parents were not biologically related to her at all (ie. they lied to her), than just to come to know the identity of her biological father.
When Luke says that Vader is his father, she is revolted at the idea. When he says he is her brother, she says she always knew. She does not dispute any claim that the Organas may not be her real parents or that Vader is her real father. And if she somehow always knew that Luke was her brother, then she also somehow always knew that the Organas were not her biological parents. Therefore, asking her who her real mother is would not invoke a response from her referring to the Queen of Alderaan.
Also, in the context of Luke proclaiming himself to be her brother, and asking Leia if she knew her mother, the viewer should obviously infer that he meant their mother.
It makes much more sense, in the context of the conversation alone, and considering just the Original Trilogy by itself, before the Prequels were created, for Leia to understand him to mean her and Luke’s biological mother—unless you’re willing to retcon the OT to fit the Prequels rather than the other way around, but most people round these parts frown upon such a practice.
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+retcon
ret·con (retroactive continuity)
noun
"(in a film, television series, or other fictional work) a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency."
So unless you want George to make yet another (albeit indirect) change to the OT, Padme dying in Episode III is straight up a plothole. Canon or not.