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Anakin Starkiller said:

While I agree the Empire should use minimal color, it just doesn’t make sense to wear white. Besides, it’s already been implemented in some weird way with the shoretroopers.

The white was intentional, and there is no logical need for changing either.
And just because Disney got away from many of Lucas’ concepts, does not mean you have to change Lucas movies to resemble Disney’s ideas.
Not to mention this Shoretrooper idea by Disney is idiotic. There is no hiding on a beach. But they can sell more Stormtroopers for sure.

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Jani-wan said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

While I agree the Empire should use minimal color, it just doesn’t make sense to wear white. Besides, it’s already been implemented in some weird way with the shoretroopers.

The white was intentional, and there is no logical need for changing either.
And just because Disney got away from many of Lucas’ concepts, does not mean you have to change Lucas movies to resemble Disney’s ideas.
Not to mention this Shoretrooper idea by Disney is idiotic. There is no hiding on a beach. But they can sell more Stormtroopers for sure.

Lucasfilm makes the creative choices, not Disney.

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Editroid said:

Jani-wan said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

While I agree the Empire should use minimal color, it just doesn’t make sense to wear white. Besides, it’s already been implemented in some weird way with the shoretroopers.

The white was intentional, and there is no logical need for changing either.
And just because Disney got away from many of Lucas’ concepts, does not mean you have to change Lucas movies to resemble Disney’s ideas.
Not to mention this Shoretrooper idea by Disney is idiotic. There is no hiding on a beach. But they can sell more Stormtroopers for sure.

Lucasfilm makes the creative choices, not Disney.

In OT and PT George Lucas made the creative choices. Not Lucasfilm.
Lucasfilm is not George Lucas.
Now Lucasfilm does what Disney says. If Disney says reshoot half the movie, they do.
If Disney says we need X-trooper for no logical reason but to sell, than there will be X-trooper in the movie.

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doubleofive said:

Can we not use this thread to bitch about the new movies, please?

Spot on doubleofive.
 

Let’s stay on topic of the thread title and first post.

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chyron8472 said:

nhoj3 said:

That’s one of the things that I’d like Ady to consider changing, what many people have referred to as the “Flanderization” of C-3PO. While Threepio is certainly a worrywart, that personality trait has become a caricature in ROTJ. In ANH, Threepio successfully bluffed past Stormtroopers on the Death Star and was decisive in choosing when to leave hiding and try to board the Falcon. In ROTJ the caricature version of Threepio has been left out of the plan and (because of his ignorance) could easily work against it at any moment.

I would like to see any edits made that could instead have him included in the plan.

3PO is more than a worrywart. You’re ignoring Empire, where he says “I really don’t see how that is going to help. Surrender is a perfectly acceptable alternative in extreme circumstances. The Empire may be gracious and…”[Leia shuts him off]. He also dismissed R2’s mission in ANH in favor of hanging out with Luke and trusting Luke with any potentially classified information simply because “he’s our new master.” 3PO can not be trusted with sensitive information because he surrenders too easily when under pressure.

Meanwhile, R2 knows when to keep his mouth shut, so to speak.

I have to give you that one with regards to his ability to be a liability, although I still think that they’ve hurt his character with terrible dialogue such as “Oh look, it’s Captain Solo” and “Oh no, Chewbacca!”.

There was an “or” in my original post, which kept the “worryart” aspect of the character as-is:

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Or as I said in another thread, if that doesn’t get traction then I wonder if it would be possible to replace his line “Hmm, I wish I had your confidence” with something else, like “What do you mean it’s part of the plan?”.

Between Droids, the PT, Clone Wars, video games, and Rebels, surely Anthony Daniels has done enough voice work as Threepio to cobble together a single line that sounds natural.

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Editroid said:

doubleofive said:

Can we not use this thread to bitch about the new movies, please?

Thank you! Let’s not!

You don’t have to thank anything to anyone.
It’s not like anybody agrees with you on that statement of yours, that is 100% false.
You can stop pretending.

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doubleofive said:

Can we not use this thread to bitch about the new movies, please?

How about let’s not spread untrue ‘facts’ like that Lucasfilm statement.
How about let’s not bring up stupid things from new movies, if those are not allowed to be answered.
But it was brought up as an example, so it deserves an answer, and it shall be the truth, even if that translates into bitching in some people’s head.
All I did is answer. All I said is the truth. Like it or not.
And if anyone wants to use elements from new movies in ROTJ revisited, then the whole discussion about it is on topic.

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People suggesting ideas from the new movies is on topic.

People rejecting those ideas because Disney/LFL came up with them is not.

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doubleofive said:

People suggesting ideas from the new movies is on topic.

People rejecting those ideas because Disney/LFL came up with them is not.

Is this also a possibility ?

  • People suggesting ideas from the PT is on topic.
  • People rejecting those ideas because Lucas came up with them is not.
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doubleofive said:

People suggesting ideas from the new movies is on topic.

People rejecting those ideas because Disney/LFL came up with them is not.

How you interpret things is up to you.
The reason clearly wasn’t that.
Does not matter who came up with Beachtrooper. It is a stupid idea. But it happens to be Disney.
They had some good ideas too.

But people want to install elements from the Disney, just because they like the new movies is on topic?
Because that was the reasoning behind Beachtrooper.

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Play nice kids!

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Jani-wan said:

doubleofive said:

Can we not use this thread to bitch about the new movies, please?

How about let’s not spread untrue ‘facts’ like that Lucasfilm statement.
How about let’s not bring up stupid things from new movies, if those are not allowed to be answered.
But it was brought up as an example, so it deserves an answer, and it shall be the truth, even if that translates into bitching in some people’s head.
All I did is answer. All I said is the truth. Like it or not.
And if anyone wants to use elements from new movies in ROTJ revisited, then the whole discussion about it is on topic.

imperialscum? Is that you?

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exitzero said:

When Luke is hiding from Vader under the throne dais, the consoles he’s using to conceal himself don’t even reach to the ground. When he screams “No!” he’s right out in the open like Vader couldn’t see him. there needs to be more of a maze of consoles and equipment underneath the throne.

I think Vader was just toying with him. He was too busy tempting Luke to bother finding him. He doesn’t want to kill him.

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nhoj3 said:

chyron8472 said:

nhoj3 said:

That’s one of the things that I’d like Ady to consider changing, what many people have referred to as the “Flanderization” of C-3PO. While Threepio is certainly a worrywart, that personality trait has become a caricature in ROTJ. In ANH, Threepio successfully bluffed past Stormtroopers on the Death Star and was decisive in choosing when to leave hiding and try to board the Falcon. In ROTJ the caricature version of Threepio has been left out of the plan and (because of his ignorance) could easily work against it at any moment.

I would like to see any edits made that could instead have him included in the plan.

3PO is more than a worrywart. You’re ignoring Empire, where he says “I really don’t see how that is going to help. Surrender is a perfectly acceptable alternative in extreme circumstances. The Empire may be gracious and…”[Leia shuts him off]. He also dismissed R2’s mission in ANH in favor of hanging out with Luke and trusting Luke with any potentially classified information simply because “he’s our new master.” 3PO can not be trusted with sensitive information because he surrenders too easily when under pressure.

Meanwhile, R2 knows when to keep his mouth shut, so to speak.

I have to give you that one with regards to his ability to be a liability, although I still think that they’ve hurt his character with terrible dialogue such as “Oh look, it’s Captain Solo” and “Oh no, Chewbacca!”.

I agree, but this set in during the carbon freezing scene in Empire. 3PO suddenly becomes the voice that tells the idiots in the audience what’s going on and that trait follows him to Jedi.

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It’s plot exposition. It has to go somewhere.

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doubleofive said:

Can we not use this thread to bitch about the new movies, please?

Does that apply to the Prequels as well, or are they still fair game?

They told me they’d fixed it!

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Adywan doesn’t like the prequels, but does like the new movies. So yes?

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MalàStrana said:

doubleofive said:

People suggesting ideas from the new movies is on topic.

People rejecting those ideas because Disney/LFL came up with them is not.

Is this also a possibility ?

  • People suggesting ideas from the PT is on topic.
  • People rejecting those ideas ‘just’ because Lucas came up with them is not.
  • People rejecting PT ideas because they hate the PT and love the OT of which ROTJ is from, is on topic.

Just clarifying your 2nd condition and adding a 3rd one 😉

.Val

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Briefly on the topic of storm trooper camo - it’s entirely unnecessary and counter productive to the narrative and plot devices that the purposefully always white troopers are. Throughout the movies you see their armour take different shapes and forms in different environments that do provide different functionality but they always remain white which points to a higher conscious decision to maintain a stark white armour despite adapting its form & design to the conditions and military engagement.

From a logical viewpoint not taking anything else into account, yes it makes sense from a military perspective to provide forest, desert or urban camo armour as per the environment they are deployed to but this logic has obviously been consciously overriden (as per a GL statement quoted in an earlier post) in favour of the image and message it conveys by all troopers remaining white. It speaks to the might and power of the Empire, a constant and unmissable message conveyed wherever ther are seen, that they need not bother with such tactical matters nor do they ever feel the need even consider such matters as who would raise a hand against the mighty Empire? Until the Rebels off course…

The only military members of the Empire (apart from the Officers) that are not white are the black fighter pilots who primarily will always be on a Star Destroyer or the Death Star or actually inside a Tie fighter and not seen by the general public as well. And then there’s the ceremonial guards in red which again is all about the associated message - it is the colour of blood and is meant to convey fear and awe as it signifies the imminent arrival or presence of the Emperor himself.

It’s all about visual language such as the fact that Vader being all black makes him a fearful figure and really stand out in the Empire against the vast ranks of opposingly stark white storm troopers. Also being the public face of the Empire, troopers being white could be seen as a way to placate and mislead the masses into continual complacent acceptance of their control since white is not generally associated with ‘evil’ but with ‘good’ and so the masses are less likely to care about the Empire’s motives as long as they are generally left alone and will turn a blind eye to events they don’t have first hand knowledge or involvement with.

Ok, maybe that wasn’t so brief LOL…

.Val