Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 256

CatBus said:

TV’s Frink said:

CatBus said:

the aging Gen-X dad who still wears his hipster clothes

Well…I don’t own hipster clothes, but otherwise that’s spot on.

That makes you Mom.

Looks about right.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Jetrell Fo said:
I am not refuting your articles so I ask that you not refute what I saw before the briefing took place.

I’m starting to get it… it’s an entirely new logic system.

What is it that you’re trying to convey?

dahmage said:

Jetrell Fo said:

dahmage said:

Jetrell Fo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jetrell Fo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jetrell Fo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jetrell Fo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jetrell Fo said:

I’m guessing some of you don’t remember this.

False equivalency.

Not so. A President is within his legal power to do it no matter which President it is.

This has nothing to do with my point, and everything to do with why it’s pointless to engage you on any topic.

Well then, explain, why do you believe it is a false equivalent?

Because Comey is not under investigation for using public funds for private use.

Because Sessions was not investigating Clinton’s possible collusion with another nation to > undermine the election.

Fair enough but I didn’t say anything about it being equivalent.

But when I said “false equivalency” you said “not so”…argh, whatever.

I said once before that I don’t want to have a normal civil conversation with you because I don’t understand 90% of the things you say and it’s not worth the effort to try and decode everything. I stand by that.

I’m just going to leave this here so people can see for themselves the answer you gave to my olive branch. I was very sincere and you just gave me the finger. Have it your way. I don’t want to see any crying or complaining from you or the others when I question or try to discuss things you might post.

and yet you are the user who’s avatar is literally giving the finger. It might be time to change that. 😃

I’ve had that for like 2 weeks now, LOL.

so, are you:

1. surprised i didn’t mention it sooner (because i did notice it two weeks ago, in case you think i didn’t)
2. saying that two weeks isn’t very long, and that makes it silly to point out, but if i had waited another X weeks, it would be a valid complaint?

This is really just a lighthearted ribbing about your avatar, pointing out that maybe having an avatar that is giving everyone on this forum the finger 24x7, might not be giving off a warm and friendly feeling to everyone who sees it.

(fixed typos)

He wasn’t flipping off the forum, I’m not sure he even knows about this place, and I thought it was a funny picture. As for the not warm fuzzy thing, since no-one had noticed it until now, it wasn’t making anybody feel anything, LOL.

It’s all good. I changed it. I like to change mine fairly regularly because having just one for months is kinda boring to me. I did understand the light-hearted ribbing, thanks for not making it heavy-hearted, I’m not ready for the light just yet.

😉

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oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

TV’s Frink said:

oojason said:

Sean Spicer ‘spent several minutes hidden in the bushes’…

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sean-spicer-spent-several-minutes-hidden-the-bushes

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1075247

To be fair - it may not be the first, or last, time that Spicer will likely be hiding in bushes…

😉

(a shame the journalists didn’t turn the cameras on the bushes and start asking ‘why are you hiding in the bushes?’)

This off camera meeting was actually planned ahead of time so it wasn’t like he was hiding for some dubious purpose. The condition of the meeting was that there was no video feed recorded.

Sean Spicer spent several minutes hiding in bushes - and in fact it seems he was hiding for a dubious purpose - in that he didn’t want to be filmed for a meeting taking place - which was agreed upon by the media present during his time whilst hiding in the bushes.

 

from the article…

"After Spicer spent several minutes hidden in the bushes behind these sets, Janet Montesi, an executive assistant in the press office, emerged and told reporters that Spicer would answer some questions, as long as he was not filmed doing so. Spicer then emerged.

“Just turn the lights off. Turn the lights off,” he ordered. “We’ll take care of this…. Can you just turn that light off?”

Spicer got his wish and was soon standing in near darkness between two tall hedges, with more than a dozen reporters closely gathered around him. For 10 minutes, he responded to a flurry of questions, vacillating between light-hearted asides and clear frustration with getting the same questions over and over again.

Actually I believe part of the article is incorrect. I saw the opening of this interview before I turned to something different (before the cameras went off). John Roberts said they were just waiting for this briefing and they might get permission for audio recording. Sean Spicer was nowhere to be seen on the stage by the sets but everything else had been arranged prior. I did not see that woman they say came out.

So I don’t know that it really matters but what I saw and how it is reported starting here is a little different.

Again, what you believe is irrelevant - let’s just try and stick to the facts, yes? and not pass off opinion/belief as the fact, eh?

What the article says is NOT incorrect - and there was no pre-arranged meeting/briefing for those media waiting - as the Press Staff had stated that he may do a briefing - though that he (Spicer) definitely wouldn’t be saying more that night.

Spicer has just finished a pre-arranged outside interview with Fox Business - but to get back to his office he would have to pass a waiting media wanting questions to their answers - Spicer then hid in a bush! Several minutes passed and then Janet Montesi, an executive assistant in the press office, emerged and told reporters that Spicer would answer some questions, as long as he was not filmed. Spicer then emerged…

so it had not ‘been arranged prior’ as you claim.

 

other fuller accounts here;-

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Analysis-After-Trump-fired-Comey-his-staff-11135009.php

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sean-spicer-bushes-white-house_us_59133322e4b0a58297e1721f

 

No need to be shitty mate. This is supposed to be a discussion, not a pissing contest.

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Not being shitty in the slightest mate. You are right though - this isn’t a pissing contest - it’s just getting to the facts (so far).

Discussion is always welcome - no-one said it isn’t.

And opinion, belief and varied discourse should thrive and be encouraged in the quality forums like we have here - but let’s not get away from the actual events and facts of the matter(s) being discussed - nor try and portray opinion or belief as fact, yes?

I just don’t appreciate you saying that I was trying to portray my opinion or belief as fact. I was just telling you what I saw, nothing more. We have plenty of posts in this thread that read as if they’re doing what you say and for the most part they get left alone. Ask me fine, but there is no need to be smarmy.

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No mate - not being smarmy either.

If you find a post that corrects you with actual facts - to your false claims - and call them smarmy or shitty then that is on you. Don’t try and deflect or project these insults onto others who are just supplying facts, and in turn undermining your points with the truth.

I’m being patient with you. I’m being polite - yet to the point (with facts). I’m not saying you are shitty or smarmy etc - like you have me. But enough is enough - if you can’t handle the truth or facts being pointed out to you then that is your problem - no-one elses - so lay off with the sly personal insults.

Okay, your pointing to the articles and that’s fine. I am just relaying what I saw right before the briefing. I didn’t post it to base it as fact. I think we’ve both made sly insults from time to time, point taken. If you didn’t see the TV part of the briefing that I did than I understand why you would say it was false. In return, just because you didn’t see it doesn’t mean that it wasn’t aired, and in turn didn’t happen.

I am not refuting your articles so I ask that you not refute what I saw before the briefing took place.

You stated the “This off camera meeting was actually planned ahead of time…” It was not - as corrected/evidenced by 3 different accounts from the media.

As for your ‘If you didn’t see the TV part of the briefing that I did than I understand why you would say it was false.’ - I haven’t said that was false or that it didn’t happen - so don’t infer that I did. I said your belief that ‘Actually I believe part of the article is incorrect.’ was not incorrect, and gave reasons why via other articles.

You stated “I haven’t found anything that proves this has been confirmed one way or the other so I don’t know why Rachel Maddow would even suggest it has been.” Yet, as was pointed out to you - it was not Rachel Maddow’s article (it was by Steve Benen).

 

If in doubt go back and read the posts again. Have a think about they come across - and how wrong some of your statements were, and your posts on the matter since. I won’t be - as I can’t be bothered to waste more time than I already have on this - only for you to once again dish out deflections, projections and sly insults accordingly - for me just correcting your erroneous claims/comments.

And no, I’ve not made any sly insults - so don’t incorrectly (again) say that I have.

I think this is a good point on to end the matter.

Well then, I hope that since you’re in to clarifying facts, you pick apart all the other erroneous claims/comments being made in this thread based on just people’s opinions of things. That would certainly clear up a lot of the confusion in this thread. The article by Steve Benen and the Sean Spicer in the Bushes story are two different stories and I made two different responses.

Your choice of words used in your responses, read to me, as if you were being crappy. Now, was I wrong, I was. So instead of dragging it out you could have plainly said … I didn’t mean them that way but I could see how you might see it like that. … and we’d have been done. Pretty simple. Just as you don’t want to be antagonized, I don’t either. I’m not going have a disagreement end with one member just to be confronted by another. I’ve got no personal issue with you and I, for one, would like to keep it that way.

https://newrepublic.com/article/142652/rendezvous-authoritarianism-arrived

If Trump gets away with firing Comey—if Republicans let him nominate any director he wants; if they resist the pressure to insist on appointing a special prosecutor, or to convene an investigative body; if they squash inquiries into the firing itself—he will read it as permission to run amok. As The Atlantic’s Ron Brownstein wrote, Trump’s “appetite for shattering democratic constraints is only likely to grow.”

Absent consequences, Trump will rightly feel liberated to appoint whomever he wants to run the IRS when the current commissioner’s term expires later this year. More alarmingly, he will know that he can get away with ordering a crackdown on voting rights or investigations of his political enemies. And, perversely, these are the reasons he is more likely to prevail. How many Republicans who entered the devil’s bargain with Trump for policy victories wouldn’t expand the terms to encompass electoral ones? Friends of Trump win elections and everyone else is at his mercy. Trump was reportedly upset that Comey did not pledge loyalty to him, and was charging ahead with an investigation that Trump finds threatening. When loyalty and corruption become job qualifications for political appointees, the president will have the power he needs to stifle protest leaders, judges, the free press, and political rivals. He won’t even have to make threats.

We haven’t reached that point yet, and the outcome is in no way inescapable, but the path between here and there has never been better lit.

Senate Intelligence Committee leaders abruptly leave hearing to meet with Deputy Atty. Gen. Rod Rosenstein.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-statement-on-the-firing-of-fbi-director-1494366997-htmlstory.html

Senate Intelligence Committee leaders caused a stir when they abruptly left a congressional hearing on world threats to meet with Deputy Atty. Gen. Rod Rosenstein. Speculation swirled that the meeting signaled a development in the ongoing saga of why President Trump fired James Comey as FBI director.

The media gathered outside the meeting, but when senior committee members Sens. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) and Mark Warner (D-Va.) emerged, they said Comey’s firing wasn’t discussed.

Rather, the senators said, the meeting was about how the their committee’s probe into Russian activities during last year’s election could proceed without interfering with the FBI’s investigation into the matter.

Comey was ostensibly fired over his handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation. But critics think Trump was trying to disrupt the FBI’s investigation into his campaign’s possible contacts with Russia.

James Comey is only the first victim of the dictatorship’s purges.

Donald Trump is the most evil sentient being that has ever existed in the observable universe. Thousands will start disappearing in the next few weeks; first in the inner cities under an expanded war on drugs, then spreading through every level of society until every family will have a member killed by this regime. Concentration camps are being built right now under our noses; their first occupants will be the undocumented of course, but it will expand to anyone with a hispanic name, then to muslims, and then to political dissidents. By the time Trump dies (the only way he will not be president anymore), 20 million or more will be murdered.

Democracy dies in darkness.

I’d rather kill myself than be killed by the government.

Dek Rollins said:

generalfrevious said:

James Comey is only the first victim of the dictatorship’s purges.

Donald Trump is the most evil sentient being that has ever existed in the observable universe. Thousands will start disappearing in the next few weeks; first in the inner cities under an expanded war on drugs, then spreading through every level of society until every family will have a member killed by this regime. Concentration camps are being built right now under our noses; their first occupants will be the undocumented of course, but it will expand to anyone with a hispanic name, then to muslims, and then to political dissidents. By the time Trump dies (the only way he will not be president anymore), 20 million or more will be murdered.

Democracy dies in darkness.

I’d rather kill myself than be killed by the government.

DuracellEnergizer said:

• No ridiculous doom saying (like all non-Trump supporters will be rounded up and executed)

Were you not here when this thread went into UFO talk?

No amount of ridiculous doomsaying here can match what the Trump administration is able to do.

These fellow conservatives are getting quite out of hand. Even I can’t understand their logic, at times.

generalfrevious said:

Dek Rollins said:

generalfrevious said:

James Comey is only the first victim of the dictatorship’s purges.

Donald Trump is the most evil sentient being that has ever existed in the observable universe. Thousands will start disappearing in the next few weeks; first in the inner cities under an expanded war on drugs, then spreading through every level of society until every family will have a member killed by this regime. Concentration camps are being built right now under our noses; their first occupants will be the undocumented of course, but it will expand to anyone with a hispanic name, then to muslims, and then to political dissidents. By the time Trump dies (the only way he will not be president anymore), 20 million or more will be murdered.

Democracy dies in darkness.

I’d rather kill myself than be killed by the government.

DuracellEnergizer said:

• No ridiculous doom saying (like all non-Trump supporters will be rounded up and executed)

Were you not here when this thread went into UFO talk?

No amount of ridiculous doomsaying here can match what the Trump administration is able to do.

No amount of apologetics can cover up the fact that you are a complete nutjob.

This thread went into UFO talk?

European Jews in 1930 could not predict that three-quarters of their people would be slaughtered like animals in extermination camps just a mere decade later. People in 2014 had no idea the United States would become a totalitarian dictatorship helmed by a psychopathic former reality star and his equally psychotic family.

We are in hell; in fact we may have even surpassed it.

generalfrevious said:

European Jews in 1930 could not predict that three-quarters of their people would be slaughtered like animals in extermination camps just a mere decade later. People in 2014 had no idea the United States would become a totalitarian dictatorship helmed by a psychopathic former reality star and his equally psychotic family.

We are in hell; in fact we may have even surpassed it.

So if you think hell is better than here, if I told you to go there, it wouldn’t be an insult, would it?

darth_ender said:

generalfrevious said:

European Jews in 1930 could not predict that three-quarters of their people would be slaughtered like animals in extermination camps just a mere decade later. People in 2014 had no idea the United States would become a totalitarian dictatorship helmed by a psychopathic former reality star and his equally psychotic family.

We are in hell; in fact we may have even surpassed it.

So if you think hell is better than here, if I told you to go there, it wouldn’t be an insult, would it?

Trump still PURGED Comey, something UNPRECEDENTED in US history. This something that Stalin would do, not a sitting president. Isn’t that why conservatives are afraid of the government in the first place?

Yep, the first president to fire someone.

Look, I don’t like the guy either, but in order to persuade people to see your side, your side has to be rational. If you honestly believe half of what you say (and I’m not convinced you do), then you genuinely need to seek mental health services. This is not an insult, but rather an honest recommendation.

darth_ender said:

Yep, the first president to fire someone.

Look, I don’t like the guy either, but in order to persuade people to see your side, your side has to be rational. If you honestly believe half of what you say (and I’m not convinced you do), then you genuinely need to seek mental health services. This is not an insult, but rather an honest recommendation.

Again, it wasn’t a firing, it was a POLITICAL PURGE.

Second, the AHCA is about to become law; I couldn’t afford mental health care even if I sought them out.

It’s happened before.

Yes you could.

darth_ender said:

It’s happened before.

Yes you could.

You’re normalizing Trump’s authoritarian behavior by saying this is just a routine firing.

darth_ender said:

Yes you could.

I don’t know how true that is. I have health insurance but it’s garbage for mental health issues (ironic since the stress of my workplace is outrageous at times, sadly more from within that from the outside) even though nearly everyone that works here has had to go to a psych ward at some point in their lives. I can’t afford mental help. I’m still thousands in debt from the last time I tried and I make too much money to qualify for assistance, but not enough to actually afford it for myself. What a genius system lol.