Rogue One * Spoilers * Thread — Page 134

Jeebus said:

I think this problem could be alleviated by having a main character stuck in that hallway with Vader. Maybe a current character could be rewritten to be in that scene, or it could be a new character. The idea is that the audience is hopeful because this character managed to avoid the destruction of Scariff, so we’re rooting for him to get out of there.

They could A) make Vader the antagonist or B) use him in place of CGI-Tarkin. The problem then becomes writing him in properly, instead of him randomly meeting nameless guys in a hallway. Imagine if they wrote in a Jedi hunt plot around this which leads them to Jedha and wraps back around to Jyn and friends.

Well I was hoping days or longer… ‘we’ve traced the rebel spies’ sounds like a long process not just glancing out at the corvette’s license plate. Comments floating around make it sound like the latter though. I will see how this all holds up on second viewing.

Mocata said:

Jeebus said:

I think this problem could be alleviated by having a main character stuck in that hallway with Vader. Maybe a current character could be rewritten to be in that scene, or it could be a new character. The idea is that the audience is hopeful because this character managed to avoid the destruction of Scariff, so we’re rooting for him to get out of there.

B) use him in place of CGI-Tarkin.

I think that could actually work pretty well. It fits with his character to be mistrusting of Imperial officers, so he could be just as antagonistic to Krennic as Tarkin was without it seeming out of place. It would make sense for him to be frustrated in ANH because for the whole of Rogue One he’s been against Krennic, and then Krennic royally fucks up and now he has to clean up the mess.

dahmage said:

lovelikewinter said:

Has everyone decided where they are going to get the Rogue One blu-ray/DVD? Anyone going for an exclusive? I’m most likely getting the Steelbook.

Yeah I dunno. None of them stand out to me, and when I upgraded to the Blu-ray of all the star wars I got the steelbook because I couldn’t stand the saga case and artwork (young Ani on the cover? No thanks). So with no other Strong reason to choose, it’s probably going to be another steelbook.

on second thought, if i pre-order the standard bluray set on target today, i get a 5 dollar target gift card. that makes it the best price by far. (as far as i can tell, this offer ends at midnight tonight.)

JEDIT: nevermind, that gift card barely cancels out the required shipping and handling fees (no in store pickup for pre-order).

darthrush said:

Lord Haseo said:

While I don’t agree with everything Chris Stuckman said about Rogue One I appreciate him not being all condescending like Jenny Nicholson. I found myself agreeing more than not with her points but the way she states her case makes it almost impossible fore to rewatch her video criticizing Rogue One.

Jenny Nicholson’s video was unbearable. Chris’s was respectable and I agree about him on Jyn but disagree on Cassian.

I disagree about Cassian as well though I do agree that they could have fleshed out his motives later on in the film. One more scene between him and Jyn would have been perfect for not only developing both characters but for resolving their issues even if they came to an impasse (which is still preferable to the conflict being dropped)

And I think the comparisons he drew with other movies were not as warranted as he may have thought

With SW movies or you mean that bit with the other films?

At least he wasn’t a douche about it like Nicholsons video.

Or RLM/Plinkette though they presented their gripes in a better manner than she.

Mocata said:

Well I was hoping days or longer… ‘we’ve traced the rebel spies’ sounds like a long process not just glancing out at the corvette’s license plate. Comments floating around make it sound like the latter though. I will see how this all holds up on second viewing.

Yep you’re 100% right about that. This all Vader/Leia affair (sic) which ends the movie is a huge continuity mistake. Leia should have never been at this battle; Vader should have engaged charcaters we know and not just random rebel troopers we don’t care about. This clearly shows the limits of fan-service when it doesn’t serve (and even damage) the story. Without its “OT skin” this movie would already be forgotten.

Huh. I thought fantastic beasts was one of the better potter-verse movies.

oojason said:

MalàStrana said:

Mocata said:

Well I was hoping days or longer… ‘we’ve traced the rebel spies’ sounds like a long process not just glancing out at the corvette’s license plate. Comments floating around make it sound like the latter though. I will see how this all holds up on second viewing.

Yep you’re 100% right about that. This all Vader/Leia affair (sic) which ends the movie is a huge continuity mistake. Leia should have never been at this battle; Vader should have engaged charcaters we know and not just random rebel troopers we don’t care about. This clearly shows the limits of fan-service when it doesn’t serve (and even damage) the story. Without its “OT skin” this movie would already be forgotten.

Maybe they are random rebel troopers you don’t care about - though to me, for what they were fighting for, in the situation they were in, for the actions and sacrifice of others to get this far, knowing they were likely going to die - yet still did their utmost to get those plans out of there… I sure did care. I think probably many others do too?

It certainly didn’t ‘clearly show the limits of fan service’ or ‘damage the story’ - in fact, for me it was just the opposite… the everyman characters making a difference too, making their deaths count for something, to contribute to the cause in which they giving their lives for - along with the ‘heroes of the story’ in the Rogue One crew.

Yes, it was a great scene itself with Vader showing his prowess, but the overall message of the film - for me anyway - was that of sacrifice for a better future, or at least a chance of a better future.

Whether that be Galen working for the Empire for years to actually hinder it in the design flaw and to delay it as long as possible, the Rogue One crew & the rebel soldiers on Scarif knowing the situation was likely a one-way mission, to the overall actions of the Alliance when they decide to join the fight.

 

‘Without its “OT skin” this movie would already be forgotten.’ - well, erm… considering the whole film is set in that OT timeline and a big part of that OT story - to the point where the story of the film is embedded in the OT, it is not quite a valid criticism, is it?

You could equally say Return Of The Jedi wouldn’t have been made ‘without it’s OT skin’, no?

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One of the alternate endings would have fixed this issue as Leia was on Coruscant when the battle on Scarif was going down.

On a semi side note that alternate ending is pretty damn bold. Suicide would have been a hard pill to swallow for some but damn it would have been the last thing I expected had this happened.

Lord Haseo said:

One of the alternate endings would have fixed this issue as Leia was on Coruscant when the battle on Scarif was going down.

On a semi side note that alternate ending is pretty damn bold. Suicide would have been a hard pill to swallow for some but damn it would have been the last thing I expected had this happened.

Can you expand on this? I’ve read a few articles about the alternate ideas/cuts/whathaveyou. But I don’t recall suicide in any of it? Also, that’s the first I’ve heard of an ending with Leia on Coruscant.

canofhumdingers said:

Lord Haseo said:

One of the alternate endings would have fixed this issue as Leia was on Coruscant when the battle on Scarif was going down.

On a semi side note that alternate ending is pretty damn bold. Suicide would have been a hard pill to swallow for some but damn it would have been the last thing I expected had this happened.

Can you expand on this? I’ve read a few articles about the alternate ideas/cuts/whathaveyou. But I don’t recall suicide in any of it? Also, that’s the first I’ve heard of an ending with Leia on Coruscant.

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oojason said:

MalàStrana said:

Mocata said:

Well I was hoping days or longer… ‘we’ve traced the rebel spies’ sounds like a long process not just glancing out at the corvette’s license plate. Comments floating around make it sound like the latter though. I will see how this all holds up on second viewing.

Yep you’re 100% right about that. This all Vader/Leia affair (sic) which ends the movie is a huge continuity mistake. Leia should have never been at this battle; Vader should have engaged charcaters we know and not just random rebel troopers we don’t care about. This clearly shows the limits of fan-service when it doesn’t serve (and even damage) the story. Without its “OT skin” this movie would already be forgotten.

Maybe they are random rebel troopers you don’t care about - though to me, for what they were fighting for, in the situation they were in, for the actions and sacrifice of others to get this far, knowing they were likely going to die - yet still did their utmost to get those plans out of there… I sure did care. I think probably many others do too?

It certainly didn’t ‘clearly show the limits of fan service’ or ‘damage the story’ - in fact, for me it was just the opposite… the everyman characters making a difference too, making their deaths count for something, to contribute to the cause in which they giving their lives for - along with the ‘heroes of the story’ in the Rogue One crew.

Yes, it was a great scene itself with Vader showing his prowess, but the overall message of the film - for me anyway - was that of sacrifice for a better future, or at least a chance of a better future.

Whether that be Galen working for the Empire for years to actually hinder it in the design flaw and to delay it as long as possible, the Rogue One crew & the rebel soldiers on Scarif knowing the situation was likely a one-way mission, to the overall actions of the Alliance when they decide to join the fight.

 

‘Without its “OT skin” this movie would already be forgotten.’ - well, erm… considering the whole film is set in that OT timeline and a big part of that OT story - to the point where the story of the film is embedded in the OT, it is not quite a valid criticism, is it?

You could equally say Return Of The Jedi wouldn’t have been made ‘without it’s OT skin’, no?

Isn’t it nice to see Mala’s critiques still inane as ever?