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Think I’ve seen that photo before. The only behind the scenes photos Lucasfilm was ever skittish about were in the early days, involving being able to see certain characters with their masks off, or Artoo with Kenny Baker poking out.

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Fang Zei said:

Indeed, people need to stop fretting about “the cgi is only 2k.”

With few exceptions, that’s still how it’s done today even when the movie is finished as a 4k DI. It’s simply more money than the studios are willing to spend to render it in 4k, especially when it’s a very vfx-heavy movie.

Going forward, 4k rendering will probably become more the norm as technology improves and costs come down.

Do we know what res the cg in TFA and RO was rendered at?

You got me thinking about the future of remastering in the digital domain (beyond 4k). As costs come down, I assume if you wanted to re-render CG, you could, but then you need to go dig up the digital workflow for the movie. I assume these vary CG house to CG house, and are based on available tech during production.

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Sometimes they delete the files and it has to be recreated from scratch. I believe that this is Deep Space Nine’s problem right now.

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Call me ignorant, but what does it actually mean to re-render CG? I assumed it was ‘drawn’ at whatever resolution and that was it.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Call me ignorant, but what does it actually mean to re-render CG? I assumed it was ‘drawn’ at whatever resolution and that was it.

The ‘skin’ you build over the ‘frame’ of the models using higher resolution graphics, I would imagine.

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Hardcore Legend said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Call me ignorant, but what does it actually mean to re-render CG? I assumed it was ‘drawn’ at whatever resolution and that was it.

The ‘skin’ you build over the ‘frame’ of the models using higher resolution graphics, I would imagine.

That would make sense. So the ‘frame’ is a vector of some sort and thus enlargeable.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Sometimes they delete the files and it has to be recreated from scratch. I believe that this is Deep Space Nine’s problem right now.

IIRC someone from the effects team stated most if not all the files still existed, even put out a few sample renders which were beautiful.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Hardcore Legend said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Call me ignorant, but what does it actually mean to re-render CG? I assumed it was ‘drawn’ at whatever resolution and that was it.

The ‘skin’ you build over the ‘frame’ of the models using higher resolution graphics, I would imagine.

That would make sense. So the ‘frame’ is a vector of some sort and thus enlargeable.

Yes probably a similar concept behind texture packs for Nintendo 64 games and the emulators render the graphics in whatever resolution you want and its obviously not a simple upscale.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Sometimes they delete the files and it has to be recreated from scratch. I believe that this is Deep Space Nine’s problem right now.

IIRC someone from the effects team stated most if not all the files still existed, even put out a few sample renders which were beautiful.

That’s good to know. The effects work on that show was very well done. I feel like DS9’s vfx were more quality over quantity whereas a show like Babylon 5 had to take the opposite approach.

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Fang Zei said:

SwissArmyTin said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Sometimes they delete the files and it has to be recreated from scratch. I believe that this is Deep Space Nine’s problem right now.

IIRC someone from the effects team stated most if not all the files still existed, even put out a few sample renders which were beautiful.

That’s good to know. The effects work on that show was very well done. I feel like DS9’s vfx were more quality over quantity whereas a show like Babylon 5 had to take the opposite approach.

Dug up the Trekcore article: http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/05/deep-space-nine-in-high-definition-one-step-closer/

The Nebula class 1080p render is absolutely beautiful. They really put a ton of work into the models and VFX for DS9, it’s a shame CBS hasn’t shown any interest in remastering it.

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Fang Zei said:

SwissArmyTin said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Sometimes they delete the files and it has to be recreated from scratch. I believe that this is Deep Space Nine’s problem right now.

IIRC someone from the effects team stated most if not all the files still existed, even put out a few sample renders which were beautiful.

That’s good to know. The effects work on that show was very well done. I feel like DS9’s vfx were more quality over quantity whereas a show like Babylon 5 had to take the opposite approach.

I think that those effects have been deleted or lost since those samples were made.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Fang Zei said:

SwissArmyTin said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Sometimes they delete the files and it has to be recreated from scratch. I believe that this is Deep Space Nine’s problem right now.

IIRC someone from the effects team stated most if not all the files still existed, even put out a few sample renders which were beautiful.

That’s good to know. The effects work on that show was very well done. I feel like DS9’s vfx were more quality over quantity whereas a show like Babylon 5 had to take the opposite approach.

I think that those effects have been deleted or lost since those samples were made.

I wonder how effectively the existing effects shots could be upscaled, if it would be too jarring intercut with hd re-scans of the live-action footage.

The cgi for Firefly was only 480p IIRC. I wonder how it looks on blu-ray, haven’t rewatched any of that show since my friend let me borrow the dvd more than a decade ago.

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ray_afraid said:

Why would they have to go back to the models made for the '97 SE? Couldn’t they just use the new and improved models used in R1?

I’m sure the programs ILM uses have progressed enough that they couldn’t plug the new models into the 97 (likely made in 95) animations. So they’d probably have to start from scratch.

The original SE Jabba they made was animated manually frame-by-frame using stuff they built for Jurassic Park.

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Fang Zei said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Fang Zei said:

SwissArmyTin said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Sometimes they delete the files and it has to be recreated from scratch. I believe that this is Deep Space Nine’s problem right now.

IIRC someone from the effects team stated most if not all the files still existed, even put out a few sample renders which were beautiful.

That’s good to know. The effects work on that show was very well done. I feel like DS9’s vfx were more quality over quantity whereas a show like Babylon 5 had to take the opposite approach.

I think that those effects have been deleted or lost since those samples were made.

I wonder how effectively the existing effects shots could be upscaled, if it would be too jarring intercut with hd re-scans of the live-action footage.

The cgi for Firefly was only 480p IIRC. I wonder how it looks on blu-ray, haven’t rewatched any of that show since my friend let me borrow the dvd more than a decade ago.

They would look pretty bad. They’re already a little jarring on the DVDs.

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Fang Zei said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Fang Zei said:

SwissArmyTin said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Sometimes they delete the files and it has to be recreated from scratch. I believe that this is Deep Space Nine’s problem right now.

IIRC someone from the effects team stated most if not all the files still existed, even put out a few sample renders which were beautiful.

That’s good to know. The effects work on that show was very well done. I feel like DS9’s vfx were more quality over quantity whereas a show like Babylon 5 had to take the opposite approach.

I think that those effects have been deleted or lost since those samples were made.

I wonder how effectively the existing effects shots could be upscaled, if it would be too jarring intercut with hd re-scans of the live-action footage.

The cgi for Firefly was only 480p IIRC. I wonder how it looks on blu-ray, haven’t rewatched any of that show since my friend let me borrow the dvd more than a decade ago.

They would look pretty bad. They’re already a little jarring on the DVDs.

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doubleofive said:

ray_afraid said:

Why would they have to go back to the models made for the '97 SE? Couldn’t they just use the new and improved models used in R1?

I’m sure the programs ILM uses have progressed enough that they couldn’t plug the new models into the 97 (likely made in 95) animations. So they’d probably have to start from scratch.

The original SE Jabba they made was animated manually frame-by-frame using stuff they built for Jurassic Park.

On the commentary track for Episode III, an ILM guy talks about how they weren’t sure the Boss Nass model created for TPM would work with their current software, (to their surprise, it did) and that was only about a six year gap. I would think a 20 year gap would be impossible in either direction.

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Yeah, re-rendering at a higher res (or for 3D) is a tricky proposition if too much time has passed.

For the 3D conversion of Jurassic Park I don’t even know if they had the finished cg shots from '93 in their purely digital form (before they were filmed back out to celluloid), nevermind the models. I think they might have had to scan shots back in from the o-neg just like the rest of the movie. The same goes for the '97 cg shots in the SE if the Lowry master is any indication. There definitely seemed to be some filmic anomalies even on the '04 dvd. Maybe it’s even more obvious on the blu-ray but I wouldn’t know. The shot that always sticks out in my memory is when the asp swats the floating droid to the ground before luke’s landspeeder zooms into frame. Even at dvd resolution I noticed some slight wobble where there should’ve been utter stillness for those first few seconds of the shot. Unless of course the wobble was intentional on the animator’s part so that it would look like it was actually photographed…

…I’m overthinking it now, aren’t I?

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“A very special tribute to the 40th anniversary of Star Wars will kick start Celebration Orlando in grand fashion. The panel, hosted by Warwick Davis, will feature Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy and discussions with some of the saga’s brightest stars, highlighting the impact of the galaxy far, far away and the fandom that has propelled it for the last four decades. As is tradition, this marquee Celebration event will undoubtedly include many not-to-be-missed surprises.”

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The Celebration Orlando ‘Star Wars 40th Anniversary Celebration’ segemnt is on Thursday 13th April from 11am to 12.30pm, and will be streamed, according to…

http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-celebration-orlando-panel-schedule-sneak-peek

the bumph…

“A very special tribute to the 40th anniversary of Star Wars will kick start Celebration Orlando in grand fashion. The panel, hosted by Warwick Davis, will feature Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy and discussions with some of the saga’s brightest stars, highlighting the impact of the galaxy far, far away and the fandom that has propelled it for the last four decades. As is tradition, this marquee Celebration event will undoubtedly include many not-to-be-missed surprises.”

Don’t get my hopes up. Please don’t get my hopes up 😉

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I’m probably reading way too much into this, but I was over at blu-ray.com just now and noticed the “best deals” at the top of the page has the complete saga set listed for $58.49. That’s the lowest I can remember any retailer selling it for in quite a long time, maybe ever.

We’re less than three weeks away from this celebration panel. If an announcement is imminent, maybe they’re trying to clear out inventory before people stop buying it altogether and start saving their money for the new set?

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Wow, sorry for the triple post.

I accidently hit the post button twice and then when it took too long I panicked and hit it yet again.

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Fang Zei said:

I’m probably reading way too much into this, but I was over at blu-ray.com just now and noticed the “best deals” at the top of the page has the complete saga set listed for $58.49. That’s the lowest I can remember any retailer selling it for in quite a long time, maybe ever.

We’re less than three weeks away from this celebration panel. If an announcement is imminent, maybe they’re trying to clear out inventory before people stop buying it altogether and start saving their money for the new set?

Yeah. I think I paid $60-70 during the after Christmas sales when it was first released. But since then most sales have been around $80. Best Buy has also discounted it to $73, which is pretty low.

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I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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Fang Zei said:

Wow, sorry for the triple post.

I accidently hit the post button twice and then when it took too long I panicked and hit it yet again.

When this happens to me, I quickly highlight the entire post and copy it to the clipboard in case it doesn’t go through.