The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 207

NeverarGreat said:

joefavs said:

DominicCobb said:

On the one hand, maybe it drains remote suns just like how it destroys remote planets. But in that case, why does it drain its own sun? On the other hand, maybe it does move around to new suns, but in that case why doesn’t it completely drain the first sun it orbits like it does the second (Hux’s speech is in daylight)? To me it doesn’t matter much either way.

I honestly never thought it was two different stars. I just figured the star that they drained to destroy the Hosnian system was large enough that they were able to get two charges out of it.

But Finn claims that the weapon draws power from the sun until it disappears, implying that once the draining starts, it will not stop until the star is destroyed. Poe repeats this during their attack.

I forgot about the Finn line, I’ll have to look out for that next time I watch TFA. With Poe at the end, I thought he just meant that it was going to drain the entire sun that particular time, not that that was a requirement every time. I would imagine that different sized stars would provide different amounts of power. SKB ought to be able to snuggle up to a larger star and get multiple firings out of it.

Alternatively, I suppose it’s possible that SKB charged its weapon at one star and then moved to another star before firing. Or maybe it was parked in a binary system.

SilverWook said:

Midichlorians. 'nuff said. 😛

Lol.

Collipso said:

Isn’t that a TFA issue? Several of the inconsistencies and “plot holes” listed here apply to TFA too.

Personally, I was hoping that the worldbuilding introduced in TLJ would allow us to “ignore” the worldbuilding of TFA, much like the more mature galaxy of Empire/Jedi superseded the somewhat quaint / Flash Gordon universe introduced in Star Wars 1977.

It’s like fine, do Starkiller Base in TFA. Do a reboot / homage to A New Hope for the first movie in the new trilogy. That might be needed to wash off the stink of the prequels. Do another Death Star. But be sure to destroy Starkiller at the end of the movie, via a Trench Run of course, so we don’t have to recon with the improbability of a sun-powered splitting-missle-beam Death Planet being built by this supposed fringe military.

And then in TLJ you can do a time jump, reunite the “Resistance” and the Republic, properly-size the First Order, introduce ships beyond X-Wings, do something that moves past the Original Trilogy stylistically. Unfortunately I think they kind of doubled down on the First Order being huge and Resistance/Republic being destroyed, but again without ever properly setting evidence for the scale of the forces or the conflict. And it all occurred within 18 hours of TFA.

I’ll note that The Last Jedi did succeed in doing this with Snoke. In TFA it was kind of “ugh, another Emperor”. I was very glad to see them just kill off Snoke and move past it. His gold robes helped a ton as well, even those would have improved him in TFA. The holograph thing was pretty lame / unneeded.

Would have preferred something even further that got rid of the First Order as well, such as Kylo/Rey seizing power together.

Collipso said:

Now, if in that story, at the end of it the Empire is destroyed, and then a couple of years later someone decides to tell you a sequel to that story and start by saying: “once upon a time there was an empire…” again, it’ll leave you wondering: “wait a sec, wasn’t the Empire destroyed?? How did this happen???” And if the person telling the story doesn’t give you an explanation I think it’d be reasonable to think it’s some sort of plot hole in the story.

TIEFIGHTERCRASH said:

Collipso said:

Isn’t that a TFA issue? Several of the inconsistencies and “plot holes” listed here apply to TFA too.

Personally, I was hoping that the worldbuilding introduced in TLJ would allow us to “ignore” the worldbuilding of TFA, much like the more mature galaxy of Empire/Jedi superseded the somewhat quaint / Flash Gordon universe introduced in Star Wars 1977.

It’s like fine, do Starkiller Base in TFA. Do a reboot / homage to A New Hope for the first movie in the new trilogy. That might be needed to wash off the stink of the prequels. Do another Death Star. But be sure to destroy Starkiller at the end of the movie, via a Trench Run of course, so we don’t have to recon with the improbability of a sun-powered splitting-missle-beam Death Planet being built by this supposed fringe military.

And then in TLJ you can do a time jump, reunite the “Resistance” and the Republic, properly-size the First Order, introduce ships beyond X-Wings, do something that moves past the Original Trilogy stylistically. Unfortunately I think they kind of doubled down on the First Order being huge and Resistance/Republic being destroyed, but again without ever properly setting evidence for the scale of the forces or the conflict. And it all occurred within 18 hours of TFA.

I’ll note that The Last Jedi did succeed in doing this with Snoke. In TFA it was kind of “ugh, another Emperor”. I was very glad to see them just kill off Snoke and move past it. His gold robes helped a ton as well, even those would have improved him in TFA. The holograph thing was pretty lame / unneeded.

Would have preferred something even further that got rid of the First Order as well, such as Kylo/Rey seizing power together.

Hello there.

Who is that? I’m only familiar with Nunneries.

NeverarGreat said:

joefavs said:

DominicCobb said:

On the one hand, maybe it drains remote suns just like how it destroys remote planets. But in that case, why does it drain its own sun? On the other hand, maybe it does move around to new suns, but in that case why doesn’t it completely drain the first sun it orbits like it does the second (Hux’s speech is in daylight)? To me it doesn’t matter much either way.

I honestly never thought it was two different stars. I just figured the star that they drained to destroy the Hosnian system was large enough that they were able to get two charges out of it.

But Finn claims that the weapon draws power from the sun until it disappears, implying that once the draining starts, it will not stop until the star is destroyed. Poe repeats this during their attack.

Stop and think for a moment. Using up two stars does not mean it had to move. It is possible that they found the ideal system with multiple stars to use with this weapons. They probably destroyed the smallest star first and from a larger one they might get several charges out of it. There is a big difference between Sol and Sirius. A star that might give one charge could be the companion of a star that can give sixty. And I never got the impression that the first star was destroyed as Starkiller base never went dark which it would if the sun was sucked dry. Sometimes science can be the friend of wild SF storytelling.

yotsuya said:

NeverarGreat said:

joefavs said:

DominicCobb said:

On the one hand, maybe it drains remote suns just like how it destroys remote planets. But in that case, why does it drain its own sun? On the other hand, maybe it does move around to new suns, but in that case why doesn’t it completely drain the first sun it orbits like it does the second (Hux’s speech is in daylight)? To me it doesn’t matter much either way.

I honestly never thought it was two different stars. I just figured the star that they drained to destroy the Hosnian system was large enough that they were able to get two charges out of it.

But Finn claims that the weapon draws power from the sun until it disappears, implying that once the draining starts, it will not stop until the star is destroyed. Poe repeats this during their attack.

Stop and think for a moment. Using up two stars does not mean it had to move. It is possible that they found the ideal system with multiple stars to use with this weapons. They probably destroyed the smallest star first and from a larger one they might get several charges out of it. There is a big difference between Sol and Sirius. A star that might give one charge could be the companion of a star that can give sixty. And I never got the impression that the first star was destroyed as Starkiller base never went dark which it would if the sun was sucked dry. Sometimes science can be the friend of wild SF storytelling.

You keep mentioning how the sky never went dark, but… I thought we only saw it charge once? It was charged at some point off screen (same system or a different one? The film doesn’t answer this question and it’s really irrelevant. It could’ve been charged before the movie even started for all we know). It expends this charge when it fires on the Hosnian system. Then it begins draining the star that it currently orbits in order to fire on the resistance.

So, of course the sky never went dark. We only actually SAW it charging once, after it had fired.

The sky did go dark…?

Sorry, but being banned for the above is not fair.

I’m not trolling. I’m not trying to “wind people up”. I’m just posting about star wars.

The only thing I’ve done is posted my reactions after watching this movie. I was critical of the movie, yes. But my take is very in line with what many other people in this forum are posting.

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I received no warnings of any kind, either privately or via posts in this topic.

I also received no temporary ban. Just an unexpected ban after I posted a critical take of the movie.

I had no idea I was in danger of being banned.

Breaking the following rules may result in an immediate and permanent ban with no prior warning: [harassment, personal attacks, slurs, socks]

I did absolutely nothing to harass members, or personal attacks, or slurs.

I only opened a second account so I could post about a star wars movie. I would have used my main account, had it not been banned. If I had any way to contest the ban, or come back after a temporary ban, I would have just done that rather than create a new account. This is not “sock puppetry”.

Again, I’m not trolling. I’m just posting my thoughts after watching a movie.

I would like to keep doing that occasionally, without immediately being banned. My posts above are not deserving of a ban.

If there is some particular thing I have said that is worthy of a ban on these forums, please let me know via a warning or a temporary ban. I’ll adjust accordingly as I quite like this thread and reading the takes of other poster. I’d ask that my first avatar KILLOFFPOE please be unbanned.

canofhumdingers said:

yotsuya said:

NeverarGreat said:

joefavs said:

DominicCobb said:

On the one hand, maybe it drains remote suns just like how it destroys remote planets. But in that case, why does it drain its own sun? On the other hand, maybe it does move around to new suns, but in that case why doesn’t it completely drain the first sun it orbits like it does the second (Hux’s speech is in daylight)? To me it doesn’t matter much either way.

I honestly never thought it was two different stars. I just figured the star that they drained to destroy the Hosnian system was large enough that they were able to get two charges out of it.

But Finn claims that the weapon draws power from the sun until it disappears, implying that once the draining starts, it will not stop until the star is destroyed. Poe repeats this during their attack.

Stop and think for a moment. Using up two stars does not mean it had to move. It is possible that they found the ideal system with multiple stars to use with this weapons. They probably destroyed the smallest star first and from a larger one they might get several charges out of it. There is a big difference between Sol and Sirius. A star that might give one charge could be the companion of a star that can give sixty. And I never got the impression that the first star was destroyed as Starkiller base never went dark which it would if the sun was sucked dry. Sometimes science can be the friend of wild SF storytelling.

You keep mentioning how the sky never went dark, but… I thought we only saw it charge once? It was charged at some point off screen (same system or a different one? The film doesn’t answer this question and it’s really irrelevant. It could’ve been charged before the movie even started for all we know). It expends this charge when it fires on the Hosnian system. Then it begins draining the star that it currently orbits in order to fire on the resistance.

So, of course the sky never went dark. We only actually SAW it charging once, after it had fired.

Are you suggesting that it only somewhat drains the sun, and after a bit the sun builds back its energy so that it’s not dark anymore?

TWINIONENGINE said:

Sorry, but being banned for the above is not fair.

I’m not trolling. I’m not trying to “wind people up”. I’m just posting about star wars.

The only thing I’ve done is posted my reactions after watching this movie. I was critical of the movie, yes. But my take is very in line with what many other people in this forum are posting.

Forum rules:

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Breaking any of these rules will result in a warning, followed by any number of temporary bans at any arbitrary length as determined by the moderators. Excessive rule-breaking will eventually result in a permanent ban.

I received no warnings of any kind, either privately or via posts in this topic.

I also received no temporary ban. Just an unexpected ban after I posted a critical take of the movie.

I had no idea I was in danger of being banned.

Breaking the following rules may result in an immediate and permanent ban with no prior warning: [harassment, personal attacks, slurs, socks]

I did absolutely nothing to harass members, or personal attacks, or slurs.

I only opened a second account so I could post about a star wars movie. I would have used my main account, had it not been banned. If I had any way to contest the ban, or come back after a temporary ban, I would have just done that rather than create a new account. This is not “sock puppetry”.

Again, I’m not trolling. I’m just posting my thoughts after watching a movie.

I would like to keep doing that occasionally, without immediately being banned. My posts above are not deserving of a ban.

If there is some particular thing I have said that is worthy of a ban on these forums, please let me know via a warning or a temporary ban. I’ll adjust accordingly as I quite like this thread and reading the takes of other poster. I’d ask that my first avatar KILLOFFPOE please be unbanned.

Yeah… making another sock and posting that here isn’t going to help you. You should probably just bring your concerns to a mod privately, if you don’t want to get perm banned.

TWINIONENGINE said:

Sorry, but being banned for the above is not fair.

I’m not trolling. I’m not trying to “wind people up”. I’m just posting about star wars.

The only thing I’ve done is posted my reactions after watching this movie. I was critical of the movie, yes. But my take is very in line with what many other people in this forum are posting.

Forum rules:

http://originaltrilogy.com/announcement/Updated-OTcom-Forum-Rules-and-Guidelines-Applies-to-all-forums-including-Off-Topic/id/52717

Breaking any of these rules will result in a warning, followed by any number of temporary bans at any arbitrary length as determined by the moderators. Excessive rule-breaking will eventually result in a permanent ban.

I received no warnings of any kind, either privately or via posts in this topic.

I also received no temporary ban. Just an unexpected ban after I posted a critical take of the movie.

I had no idea I was in danger of being banned.

Breaking the following rules may result in an immediate and permanent ban with no prior warning: [harassment, personal attacks, slurs, socks]

I did absolutely nothing to harass members, or personal attacks, or slurs.

I only opened a second account so I could post about a star wars movie. I would have used my main account, had it not been banned. If I had any way to contest the ban, or come back after a temporary ban, I would have just done that rather than create a new account. This is not “sock puppetry”.

Again, I’m not trolling. I’m just posting my thoughts after watching a movie.

I would like to keep doing that occasionally, without immediately being banned. My posts above are not deserving of a ban.

If there is some particular thing I have said that is worthy of a ban on these forums, please let me know via a warning or a temporary ban. I’ll adjust accordingly as I quite like this thread and reading the takes of other poster. I’d ask that my first avatar KILLOFFPOE please be unbanned.

You were banned for making a sock account to get around being temp banned on your “first avatar,” as you called it.

Making a second sock? You’re just asking to be permabanned. Sock accounts are not allowed, whether it’s to skirt a ban or not.

And yes, making a new account to post after your main account is banned is 100% sock puppetry. You could have emailed one of the mods or Jay to hash this out instead of digging yourself a deeper hole.

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

canofhumdingers said:

yotsuya said:

NeverarGreat said:

joefavs said:

DominicCobb said:

On the one hand, maybe it drains remote suns just like how it destroys remote planets. But in that case, why does it drain its own sun? On the other hand, maybe it does move around to new suns, but in that case why doesn’t it completely drain the first sun it orbits like it does the second (Hux’s speech is in daylight)? To me it doesn’t matter much either way.

I honestly never thought it was two different stars. I just figured the star that they drained to destroy the Hosnian system was large enough that they were able to get two charges out of it.

But Finn claims that the weapon draws power from the sun until it disappears, implying that once the draining starts, it will not stop until the star is destroyed. Poe repeats this during their attack.

Stop and think for a moment. Using up two stars does not mean it had to move. It is possible that they found the ideal system with multiple stars to use with this weapons. They probably destroyed the smallest star first and from a larger one they might get several charges out of it. There is a big difference between Sol and Sirius. A star that might give one charge could be the companion of a star that can give sixty. And I never got the impression that the first star was destroyed as Starkiller base never went dark which it would if the sun was sucked dry. Sometimes science can be the friend of wild SF storytelling.

You keep mentioning how the sky never went dark, but… I thought we only saw it charge once? It was charged at some point off screen (same system or a different one? The film doesn’t answer this question and it’s really irrelevant. It could’ve been charged before the movie even started for all we know). It expends this charge when it fires on the Hosnian system. Then it begins draining the star that it currently orbits in order to fire on the resistance.

So, of course the sky never went dark. We only actually SAW it charging once, after it had fired.

Are you suggesting that it only somewhat drains the sun, and after a bit the sun builds back its energy so that it’s not dark anymore?

Shouldn’t the sun have gone supernova before being drained?

Listen man, I have no idea.

A sock puppet is when you’ve created a secondary avatar to interact with yourself secretly. That’s not what I’m doing…

I’ve needed to open a second account, because when the first one was banned I have no ability to message moderators or appeal anything. It forces you to create another account. I would not think to email someone based on a message board. I’d PM them, and will now.

I’m not sure what a “temp ban” is. My first account was “permanently banned” as far as I can tell (with no messages, no warnings, no temp bans). I would just use that one to make an appeal to a mod if I could log in…

TWINIONENGINE said:

A sock puppet is when you’ve created a secondary avatar to interact with yourself secretly. That’s not what I’m doing…

I’ve needed to open a second account, because when the first one was banned I have no ability to message moderators or appeal anything. It forces you to create another account.

I’m not sure what a “temp ban” is. My first account was “permanently banned” as far as I can tell (with no messages, no warnings, no temp bans). I would just use that one to make an appeal to a mod if I could log in…

You know too much.

PM sent to mod

Mrebo said:

yotsuya said:

NeverarGreat said:

joefavs said:

DominicCobb said:

On the one hand, maybe it drains remote suns just like how it destroys remote planets. But in that case, why does it drain its own sun? On the other hand, maybe it does move around to new suns, but in that case why doesn’t it completely drain the first sun it orbits like it does the second (Hux’s speech is in daylight)? To me it doesn’t matter much either way.

I honestly never thought it was two different stars. I just figured the star that they drained to destroy the Hosnian system was large enough that they were able to get two charges out of it.

But Finn claims that the weapon draws power from the sun until it disappears, implying that once the draining starts, it will not stop until the star is destroyed. Poe repeats this during their attack.

Stop and think for a moment. Using up two stars does not mean it had to move. It is possible that they found the ideal system with multiple stars to use with this weapons. They probably destroyed the smallest star first and from a larger one they might get several charges out of it. There is a big difference between Sol and Sirius. A star that might give one charge could be the companion of a star that can give sixty. And I never got the impression that the first star was destroyed as Starkiller base never went dark which it would if the sun was sucked dry. Sometimes science can be the friend of wild SF storytelling.

SW wiki says it moves by use of rocket ports. Even if in the same system that must take a long time. We might as well pretend it can move through hyperspace.

TWINIONENGINE said:

PM sent to mod

Should have done that in the first place…instead of posting anything in public.

Also you lied when I called your last sock out earlier today.

TIEFIGHTERCRASH said:

Who is that? I’m only familiar with Nunneries.

Not very smart.