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*sigh* I wish I had the answers for the world's problems.
if you did i'd kill myself.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4163568.stm
Met 'resisted Tube death probe'
Scotland Yard "initially resisted" the investigation into the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes, the Independent Police Complaints Commission has said.
The inquiry was not formally handed over to the IPCC until five days after the Brazilian was shot dead by police on a Tube, BBC News now understands.
Lawyers for Mr de Menezes' family said this "fatal delay" meant vital evidence could have been lost.
They called for a public inquiry to sort out the "chaotic mess".
After meeting the IPCC, solicitor Gareth Peirce said: "We expressed our extreme concern that although they have a statutory duty to investigate from the very moment of a fatal death at the hands of the state, they were not there."
Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair wrote to the Home Office on the morning of Mr de Menezes' death to make sure the terrorist investigation took precedence over any IPCC probe.
This dispute has caused us delay in taking over the investigation
John Wadham
IPCC deputy chairman
Questioning 'shoot-to-kill'
Police shooting discrepancies
Timeline: Tube shooting
Scotland Yard said Sir Ian had believed the dead man was linked to terrorism when he made the request.
In a statement on Thursday, IPCC deputy chairman John Wadham said: "The Metropolitan Police Service initially resisted us taking on the investigation - but we overcame that.
"It was an important victory for our independence.
"This dispute has caused us delay in taking over the investigation - but we have worked hard to recover the lost ground."
Mr Wadham said the IPCC would now "search for the truth".
"We are confident that at the conclusion of this inquiry, we will be able to tell the family exactly what happened."
He added: "We are looking forward to meeting the family to answer their obvious questions and concerns directly.
"It is our policy to update families on a regular basis during investigations."
The inquiry was now "making good progress", would be thorough and impartial, and should be completed within three to six months, Mr Wadham said.
A public inquiry is the only kind of inquiry that can deal with the issues brought up in this case
Gareth Peirce - De Menezes family's lawyer "We will not be rushing to any conclusion," he said.
Investigation papers, leaked to ITV News, suggest the Brazilian electrician was restrained by a surveillance officer before being shot eight times on 22 July - a day after the failed London bombings.
The documents contradict initial eyewitness reports suggesting Mr de Menezes had hurdled a barrier at Stockwell Tube station and was wearing a padded jacket.
Ms Peirce said: "The situation demands something fast for public interest as well as the family's interest.
"There have been lies that have been told and there have been lies that have been allowed to remain uncorrected."
She also said: "A public inquiry is, in fact, the only kind of inquiry that can deal effectively with the big policy issues brought up in this case, whether or not there is a prosecution or inquest."
On the day of the shooting, Scotland Yard said that "his clothing and his behaviour at the station added to [the officers'] suspicions".
But the documents suggest Mr de Menezes was wearing a denim jacket and walked into the station, picked up a free newspaper, walked through ticket barriers and only started to run when he saw a train arriving.
An image leaked to ITV shows Mr de Menezes lying dead on the Tube.
Jenny Jones, a member of the Metropolitan Police Authority, told the BBC she had faith in what the IPCC was doing, but said she also wanted a public inquiry into what happened.
"The fact that there's been a leak has to demonstrate that there are problems with the procedure, and I therefore think it's time now to come clean and actually let us all know exactly what's been going on," she said.
Ms Jones also called for "the guidelines the police are using for this shoot-to-kill policy" to be made public.
"The guidelines are clearly confused if people can make a mistake.
"The best way of mopping up any confusion is to make sure that there is some sort of democratic oversight, so we have to see those guidelines."
The BBC's home affairs correspondent Daniel Sandford says there was also a "growing focus" on Metropolitan Police chief Cressida Dick, reportedly in charge of the firearms unit when the shooting happened, and reports there were "confused commands" about the shoot-to-kill policy coming from her.
The Daily Mirror newspaper said she told the surveillance team Mr de Menezes should be detained before he reached Stockwell Tube station.
But ITV News said the 44-year-old also told officers: "Whatever you do, do not let him get on the Tube."
Labour MP Ann Cryer, who sits on the Commons Home Affairs Committee, is calling for a review of the shoot-to-kill policy.
She told BBC News: "We normally go through the procedures of apprehension, prosecution, conviction and punishment.
"If you have a shoot-to-kill policy, where does all that go?"
But London Mayor Ken Livingstone said the bombings had presented the Metropolitan Police with their "most difficult challenge" and the approach taken by its commissioner, Sir Ian Blair, was the only way to defeat terrorism.
"The speculation and leaks taking place in the media are not the best way to deal with such a serious matter as the shooting at Stockwell Tube station," Mr Livingstone added.
"Everyone involved in this terrible tragedy is entitled to get their information from the IPCC at the proper time in the proper way, not through selective leaks and media speculation."
The brother and cousins of Mr de Menezes were due to travel from Brazil to the UK in the next few days, said another family lawyer, Harriet Wistrich.
She added that attempts were also being made to fly the victim's parents to Britain.
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by Brian Reade - The Mirror Newspaper (UK tabloid)
"WE now know that the Brazilian murdered by police in Stockwell wasn't a suspected suicide bomber.
We now know he didn't wear a bulky coat, didn't vault a ticket barrier or run when ordered to stop, and that he was executed after he'd been restrained.
So why am I not surprised that our police appear to have been grossly incompetent, recklessly gung-ho and obscenely dishonest in immediately issuing a pack of lies to cover their own backsides?
Mainly because I was at the Hillsborough football stadium in 1989 when 96 people were killed while under police supervision, and a similar train of events ensued.
While the dead were still being identified, a police story travelled the world that the fans were drunk, had forced down a gate, crushed their own to death, before pick-pocketing and urinating on the corpses. (Later it was found that Police had altered notebooks and statements on their views of the fans of the day to portray an unruly drunken crowd that had arrived late for the game)
Lord Justice Taylor eventually proved this was all lies, and he firmly blamed the police for the disaster.
But by then it was too late. The world had swallowed the lies, the police had investigated themselves and cleared every officer of blame.
No wonder Scotland Yard wanted to run its own inquiry into the Stockwell tragedy, too.
British police? The best in the world..."
I've no problem with the officer who made the split-second decision to fire the shot(s) - though the cover up and slur campaign is disgraceful.
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But by then it was too late. The world had swallowed the lies, the police had investigated themselves and cleared every officer of blame.
Isn't that always the case? No amount of rebuttal stories or rescinding of "facts" from stories can ever clear the names of the innocent once a mass media story is out there. And they never care, either. In magazines and newspapers, they wind up in a small box on an inside page. On news reports, they wind up as half thoughts mentioned offhandedly as though they're no big deal. Not only should police (or whoever is really to blame) be held responsible, but the media should as well. I dunno how that would work, but it would be nice.
--Vizzini (Wallace Shawn), The Princess Bride
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And what a way to run a world.
We're all doomed.
War does not make one great.