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Does this mean you are considering a v2.0?

Either way, I’m very happy to see this project released! came back here today after more than a year since my last checkup and seeing all these updates was a great sight!

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Class316 said:

On comes the pc police to tell me that my childhood was bad? They can go fuck themselves!

And YOU can go fuck YOURSELF, you racist piece of shit.

Class316 said:

There are tons of cartoons that don’t portray Caucasian folks in a flattering matter. Characters ranging from Elmer J Fudd and Yosemite Sam to the likes of Beavis and Butt Head. No one ever complains about those or censors those.

White people are stereotyped LESS than people of different races, you Repuglicunt.

Class316 said:

In my view, feeling “uncomfortable” watching an uncensored Pastoral Symphony is exactly what is wrong with this nation and the world in general.

It’s come to a point where nothing can be done for fear of offending. Look at Apu from the Simpsons for instance! It’s enraging to even think about. But of course NO complaints about Cletus Spuckler and his family.

Fuck you. The uncensored Pastoral Symphony is racist, but it deserves to be shown so that we can teach our children about racism in our past, why it was wrong, and what can be done to prevent racism in the future. That’s how to ACTUALLY be politically correct.

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Looks like ‘James76’ wants to get banned.

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In a way, I’m sad about the banning. Is it permanent or a lockout for a period of weeks?

Please understand: I cannot and will not defend his personal attack nor his choice of language.

And at the same time, he raised points that would have been great in a constructive dialogue. Unfortunately, those got swallowed up in his vitriol.

“Before the Dark Times. Before the Prequels.”

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MattMahdi said:

In a way, I’m sad about the banning. Is it permanent or a lockout for a period of weeks?

Please understand: I cannot and will not defend his personal attack nor his choice of language.

And at the same time, he raised points that would have been great in a constructive dialogue. Unfortunately, those got swallowed up in his vitriol.

As far as I know it is a temporary ban for James76.

IMHO, the personal attacks and language by James76 were well out of order - and yet without them he did make some valid points for discussion in response to class316’s post.
 

Class316 said:

Growing up, I was fortunate to watch lots of cartoons uncensored. Looney Tunes, Tom and Jerry, Disney, Tex Avery, and others. Those were my childhood. The mammy from Tom and Jerry yelling Thoooommmasss is a voice that resonates my youth.

Somehow, someway, I even managed to watch a couple of the censored 11. Not sure how, but when I watched them recently I definitely remembered a couple of them from my childhood.

On comes the pc police to tell me that my childhood was bad? They can go fuck themselves!

Many of us watched those cartoons - and other similar films - repeatedly over a long, long time.

There is no ‘pc police’ involved in the removal of content of which the owners of these franchises themselves deemed offensive years later and then removed.

If anything, it is the owners of these franchises wanting to re-write history in an attempt to show they weren’t offensive, derogatory, or used racial caricatures and so on, in their past content. A bid to retcon their own history - which they obviously have issue with.

Nobody is telling you your (or our) childhood was bad - so please don’t claim otherwise. Or include and twist such a point to post inflammatory remarks, or lay blame at some sort of imaginary ‘pc police’.
 

Though if you’re using the “On comes the pc police to tell me that my childhood was bad? They can go fuck themselves!” as a political dig at people who think such removed scenes are inappropriate - and telling them to go ‘fuck themselves’… don’t be surprised if you find yourself, like James76 did, in having a short period of time away from here to reflect on your post.

 

A shame about all this - a passionate, yet civil and intriguing discussion almost broke out.
 

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oojason said:

If anything, it is the owners of these franchises wanting to re-write history in an attempt to show they weren’t offensive, derogatory, or used racial caricatures and so on, in their past content. A bid to retcon their own history - which they obviously have issue with.

I think you really nailed it here. Companies revise their own histories to appear as if they were against it all along, and people believe it wholeheartedly. Similar to a politician who does one thing his whole career and runs on campaign promises of the opposite thing and votes think “wow he’s totally being honest now, all the stuff he did before wasnt his fault”
Either way, I’d just prefer these companies to say “Here’s how it was originally shown, we know social sensibilities were changed but we will not pretend it never happened” similar to what WB did.

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Starbond9 said:

oojason said:

If anything, it is the owners of these franchises wanting to re-write history in an attempt to show they weren’t offensive, derogatory, or used racial caricatures and so on, in their past content. A bid to retcon their own history - which they obviously have issue with.

I think you really nailed it here. Companies revise their own histories to appear as if they were against it all along, and people believe it wholeheartedly. Similar to a politician who does one thing his whole career and runs on campaign promises of the opposite thing and votes think “wow he’s totally being honest now, all the stuff he did before wasnt his fault”
Either way, I’d just prefer these companies to say “Here’s how it was originally shown, we know social sensibilities were changed but we will not pretend it never happened” similar to what WB did.

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Project creator and film enthusiast.

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1. Apologies for a long post.

2. Please understand that I know and love many people who are fundamentalist Christians and wonderful, positive people. When I describe Yancey’s negative upbringing in a fundamentalist church, his experience was the cliched light years away from theirs.

Philip Yancey was born in 1949 in Atlanta, GA. I say that for context.

The quote is from his recently published memoir Where the Light Fell, in which he recounts his disturbingly fundamentalist upbringing and eventual experience of grace.

This is what he experienced one year at church camp (page 145):

Then Ruckman grins and moves from behind the pulpit: “Have you ever noticed how Coloreds make good waiters? Watch them sometime. They swivel their hips around the chairs and hold those trays high without spilling a drop.” He does an exaggerated imitation, and the campers laugh. “Don’t you see, that’s the kind of job they’re good at. But have you ever met a Negro who’s the president of a company? Have you? Name one. Every race has its place, and they should accept it. We can get along fine as long as we stay separate and don’t mix.”

He was raised believing this. He was taught about the Curse of Ham being the cause of dark skin.

Even as a child he noticed that the “doctrine” of the curse of Ham didn’t make logical sense – at the very least it was Canaan who was cursed, not his father Ham, and that it was a drunk Noah who cursed him, not God (page 66). But he believed – because he had no reason not to believe except for the camp cook – that people with black skin were truly inferior in every way to people with white skin.

The KKK was a strong force where he lived.

There was some applause in his high school when it was announced that President Kennedy had been shot because Kennedy had been sending federal marshals to enforce racial integration in the South (page 167).

And this is why the Sunflower scenes make me queasy. I think they’re important as a cultural artifact, but they’re definitely not something to be celebrated as a triumph. We can view the uncut Fantasia as a reminder of how far we’ve come as a nation – but we still have so, so far to go as the news can remind us almost any day. I can watch it uncut, and at the same time I don’t know that I’ll be watching the restored version near so much as I’ll be watching the censored one.

Which may just be because it causes me less feeling of White Guilt.

Yancey’s story is one of metamorphosis, as the title suggests, and as I already indicated he did eventually discover grace instead of a harsh, vindictive, and vicious religious upbringing.

A few years after the camp incident, but before Kennedy’s assassination, when he was in high school and excelling in science and maths, he applied for and won a summer internship at the CDC. He was going to be working under a Dr. Cherry, a Ph.D. in biochemistry from an Ivy League school, and he was nervous going into the situation. He studied and studied a paper Dr. Cherry wrote that was “way over my head” in preparation (page 160).

When I show up for work the first day, I get a photo ID badge and am escorted to Dr. Cherry’s office. The security guard knocks on the door, hears “Come in,” and opens it. I nearly drop my pack of papers on the floor.

Dr. Cherry is a Black man.

In one second, something cracks inside me.

“Before the Dark Times. Before the Prequels.”

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Spookyking said:

Does this mean you are considering a v2.0?

Either way, I’m very happy to see this project released! came back here today after more than a year since my last checkup and seeing all these updates was a great sight!

I personally would very much like to see a V2 released. If anyone wants to tackle it I’ve got all the materials.

Many of us watched those cartoons - and other similar films - repeatedly over a long, long time.

There is no ‘pc police’ involved in the removal of content of which the owners of these franchises themselves deemed offensive years later and then removed.

If anything, it is the owners of these franchises wanting to re-write history in an attempt to show they weren’t offensive, derogatory, or used racial caricatures and so on, in their past content. A bid to retcon their own history - which they obviously have issue with.

Nobody is telling you your (or our) childhood was bad - so please don’t claim otherwise. Or include and twist such a point to post inflammatory remarks, or lay blame at some sort of imaginary ‘pc police’.
 

I disagree with you on one front, there definitely is a pc police. Disney for instance succumbed to mob rules in 2020 and announced they would eliminate Splash Mountain and re theme it in favor of princess and the frog. To boot, they took away the zip a dee doo dah song from their parks and even removed a statue of Brer Rabbit. Everyone is afraid to release certain material or say certain things so as not to be a victim of cancel culture. It is not just limited to old cartoons but across the board.

Take for instance, the social media site GAB. They essentially refuse to moderate any content that is legal speech under US law. Unlike the Facebooks and Twitters of the world that censor viewpoints they don’t like. For this stance, credit card companies deny them service. Google and Apple deny them a spot on their app store. Obviously there is a pc police. People get fired for posts on twitter. Again, pc police. And so on and so forth.

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Class316 said:

Take for instance, the social media site GAB. They essentially refuse to moderate any content that is legal speech under US law. Unlike the Facebooks and Twitters of the world that censor viewpoints they don’t like. For this stance, credit card companies deny them service. Google and Apple deny them a spot on their app store. Obviously there is a pc police. People get fired for posts on twitter. Again, pc police. And so on and so forth.

“Ideas have consequences”, Frank Herbert said (and I’m sure many others have echoed him).

If my choices make credit card companies unwilling to associate with me, whether for their own reasons or because of perceived backlash from their stakeholders then that is MY problem.

That said, there is always collateral damage. Living in WA state, I’m reminded of when marijuana was legalized and banks would not deal with companies that sold the stuff because their national standing as corporations put them at potential risk with the federal government. Unintended consequences of well-meaning people who had the neat idea of legalizing the stuff.

I can see your point about a PC police. Things do get taken too far with cancelation culture.

And I also wonder if what we’re doing is, in fits and spurts, trying to work our way into a better world.

We won’t get there by rewriting our pasts, though, a la 1984, but by acknowledging them and moving beyond them.

“Before the Dark Times. Before the Prequels.”

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MattMahdi said:

If my choices make credit card companies unwilling to associate with me, whether for their own reasons or because of perceived backlash from their stakeholders then that is MY problem.

That said, there is always collateral damage. Living in WA state, I’m reminded of when marijuana was legalized and banks would not deal with companies that sold the stuff because their national standing as corporations put them at potential risk with the federal government. Unintended consequences of well-meaning people who had the neat idea of legalizing the stuff.

I can see your point about a PC police. Things do get taken too far with cancelation culture.

And I also wonder if what we’re doing is, in fits and spurts, trying to work our way into a better world.

We won’t get there by rewriting our pasts, though, a la 1984, but by acknowledging them and moving beyond them.

I do agree it’s their choice, but the fact that they are all united in the same choices is very chilling. It means that one entity controls everything and denies rights to who they see fit, regardless of what is allowed under the law. Essentially, the free market system is a lie.