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...this may go down like a lead balloon...

Just wondering if, like me, there are any fans of Star Trek on here (whether like just the one series or all of them) ?

Were you a fan of Trek before Wars?

You thoughts on the current state of the Trek 'franchise' (I hate that word)...

Do you still watch Trek?

Your fave series or episode...

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Yeah, I was a Star Trek fan before Star Wars. My cousin had those Star Trek dolls and the bridge playset. Loads of fun. Of course the dolls and playset came out during the run of the animated series.

I currently have the entire Star Trek library on DVD (minus the original series. I refused to pay $30.00 for two episodes per DVD). I'm just waiting for Voyager seasons 4-7 to come out, the original series is coming out in season sets so I'll be getting those, and next year the animated series is coming to DVD and Enterprise. Hopefully when all is said and done I will have the complete Star Trek DVD library. Although, I'm not too thrilled with Enterprise. I watched the pilot and it just didn't do it for me. Maybe I was just tired of Trek. I'm one of those people that feel that it's time for Trek to hang it up. 10 movies, and 6 TV series is enough. WAY too much if you ask me. While I did like Next Generation, and loved Voyager (don't bash my head in), I hadn't seen much of DS9 until it came out on DVD but I ended up liking it. It took some getting used to, but in the end it wasn't a bad series. The original series I have trouble watching now. It just looks so dated. I know that's part of its charm, but I can only watch a handful of episodes at a time. It's not that I don't like the original, it's just that after all of the 'high tech' Trek that I've seen since 1979, it's just hard to watch those old shows.

I have favorite episodes from each series (except Enterprise and the animated series). Actually too many to mention. For me, my raking of the series is like this

Star Trek
The Next Generation
Voyager
Deep Space Nine
Animated & Enterprise (tied for last place)
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^ that's quite a collection m8. I've got all my old ST-TOS tapes and the movies 1-7, but sold my VOY vhs colection just before the dvd announcement - so I got a few £££ back.

I don't know if it's just me but when I come across Trek on tv I just think - 'so what' and usually give it a miss. Maybe it's due to far too many showings here in the UK (the main satellite/cable channel has shown all of the Treks every day at least twice a day for some years now), and maybe it has less relevance to me now than when I was a kid...

I do remember though a time when the UK only had the 4 terrestial tv channels, and I'd look forward to BBC2 showing TNG for the 1st time - the anticipation and excitement was too much - another new Trek ep every week, all the way through to DS9's end.

For me, and please don't take this as bashing VOY, I enjoyed the 1st 4 seasons but it got a little repetative and seemed to have lost it's premise - it had all the ingredients of a good show, but didn't quite click in the way the previous Treks did - it seemed that the Doctor and Seven were doing storylines very similar to Data's in TNG - understanding humanity and conquering emotions etc. In the last few seasons it seemed like it was a Janeway / Seven / Doctor show - with little for the other characters to do or develop further.

Now, I'm not opposed to Seven having a lot of screen-time - she does have intriguing qualites about her -though I was a bit of a Bey'lana fan myself, and was a bit miffed she was underused towards the end.

As for ENT - it doesn't offer much new - it could well be stories for any of the other Trek crew, there is no evolvement from the TNG or VOY way of doing Trek. They are still playing it safe format wise - raise shields, beam up, fire, viewscreens etc and at the end of the episode the captain is right... It doesn't really have a premise - we know that certain enemies can't be killed or certain events can't happen, and yet it won't take a chance and have a risky or controversial storyline relavent to life today which would give people pause for thought.

I hope it gets better, and when it ends people will look forward to a new Trek show in the future- though give it a few years first...

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i am kinda an ST fan. i am really enjoying enterpriise right now. the last season relaly hooked me.
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wars first i think trek is cool but i could never get into it unless i catch the first show
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they still haven't bested the orginal Trek. Not even Next Gen. And the Next Gen movies don't even belong in the theater as the classic trek movies.
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Since Star Trek needs a kick in the pants, what they should do is go back and redo all the originals. They have the footage, the stories, etc. Why not go back, take the actors and reinsert them into a more modern looking digital Enterprise? The "Classics" have been released on dvd already...why shouldn't they go back and redo them...heh, a Star Trek Special Edition!

Seriously, a new episode a week...people would watch them. Same actors, but looking more modern with state of the art effects!
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they still haven't bested the orginal Trek. Not even Next Gen. And the Next Gen movies don't even belong in the theater as the classic trek movies.


hey now nemisis AND first contact are both on par with rath of kahn.
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Nemeisis is not. First Contact was better.

I went through a Trek Fan phase right before I got KoToR.--It was all downhill from there.

But I've been a Star Wars fan since 1997. In fact, I hated Sci-Fi until then.

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I've been into Sci-Fi for most of my life.
Star Wars was first.
Star Trek and other weekly shows allow me to feed my Sci-Fi needs until the next SW movie arrives.

My thoughts...
I think they should have approached Enterprise differently. Everyone knows already how the show will end...a massive time reset.
Its the only way for them to explain the show:
1. Where are the Xindi and Suliban in Original/Next Gen times?? We never see them.
2. Klingons look wrong (compared to TOS). Did they have ridges, then stop, then get them back??

I am, however, intrigued by what may happen this coming season. The Enterprise pod attacked by P-51 Mustangs and Archer lying on a cot in a Nazi tent hospital, with some blue-skin alien in a Nazi uniform looking down on him.

Do I watch, yes.

Favorites:
Well, I've got a few episodes from every series:
I, Mudd (Mudd and his androids)
Trouble with Tribbles

Most Borg episodes

Trials and Tribble-ations (a Trouble with Tribbles with the DS9 crew looking for a bomb)
Take me out to the old Holosuite (the baseball episode of DS9)
Voyager Episode...don't recall the name, with the Voth (the dinosaur episode...most would call it corny. I've loved Dinosaurs as long as Star Wars, and I think the episode was an interesting concept)
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Nemesis would have been decent if they hadn't editted out over an hour of footage...and somehow I doubt we will ever see a Director's Cut...
Which is the more foolish, the fool (the OT) or the fool who follows (the PT)?

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I don't know...
Paramount is reissuing every Star Trek movie in 2-disk sets. I'm going to be re-buying First Contact because of it.
I've got the Wrath of Khan Special Edition. Really nice.

Anyways, they will most likely reissue Nemesis.
(I thought a lot of the design work was very good, but I didn't like the overall story as much)
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Originally posted by: Count Dushku
Since Star Trek needs a kick in the pants, what they should do is go back and redo all the originals. They have the footage, the stories, etc. Why not go back, take the actors and reinsert them into a more modern looking digital Enterprise? The "Classics" have been released on dvd already...why shouldn't they go back and redo them...heh, a Star Trek Special Edition!

Seriously, a new episode a week...people would watch them. Same actors, but looking more modern with state of the art effects!


Hey, another guy thought of that idea. It turned out to be Sh*tty & was the reason this site was created. Anyone remember old Lucas?
I just hate stupid people.

GO JETS!!!!

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hey now nemisis AND first contact are both on par with rath of kahn.


wrong. Nemisis and First Contact don't even belong in the same galaxy as Rath Of Kahn. Star Trek II is clearlly the best Star Trek movie of 'em all.

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Originally posted by: sean wookie
LOL and it was the reason i was born



Intriguing... without going into too much detail I take it your parent's love of Trek led to new life... ?

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How good are Star Trek - The Animated Series? and are they out on dvd?

I don't think I've ever seen them, and know very little about them. Any info out there?

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When I was little, I loved the animated series. They played it on Nickelodean during the mid to late 80s.
They are not yet out on DVD, but I've hard they are in the works.

Here's the TVTome.com page:
TV Tome's Star Trek the Animated Series

Everyone came back for the show to do their original voices.

My favorite episode is the one entitled "More Tribbles, More Trouble".
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hey now nemisis AND first contact are both on par with rath of kahn.


wrong. Nemisis and First Contact don't even belong in the same galaxy as Rath Of Kahn. Star Trek II is clearlly the best Star Trek movie of 'em all.


yes kahn was the best but nemisis and first contact came very close to it.
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we have to agree to disagree here. If you ask me the top 3 are 2,4,3
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I actually liked star wars before I liked star trek. I remember being a 6 year old in front of the tv eating cocco puffs at night while me and my dad watched star trek three. good times. I never could get into ST/NG or DS9 that much the relationships were too hollow compared with the OS and the Original Movies. My favorites are 2,3,4, and 6. Of the NG movies that have come out, I like Nemesis the best.
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Of the Star Trek movies, the best is Khan. Hands down. However, my favorite one is The Voyage Home. I just loved the humor in that one and it came off as just a well rounded good movie. I loved Undiscovered Country, but Sulu should have been on the Enterprise. After the disaster of 5, there was no way that the original crew was going to get a lousy send off. 6 had to kick some ass. Thank God, Nicholas Meyer came back to direct. I think that is what saved that movie. The Search for Spock I liked better than I thought I would. The Final Frontier is just dreadful. Something went seriously wrong with that movie. I'd like to blame Shatner, but something tells me that he's not totally to blame. And The Motion Picture, well, I have a better affection for it since the Director's Cut came out on DVD. The film still isn't good it is at least more watchable.

The Next Gen movies haven't been all that great I'm sorry to say. First Contact was really good, but for Nemisis just fell a little bit short. I think that a longer cut of the film could really help that one. Generations is just lost. That film went no where and did nothing. Insurection. Well, I'm sort of torn on that one. I like it on a certain level but it would have been better as just an episode of the TV show. That's been the Next Gen's main problem with their movies. They just play out as BIG episodes of the show. Which is fine to a certain degree, but it really doesn't make for top grosses at the box office.

I still say that as far as new movies or more TV series after Enterprise, Trek is pretty much dead. It has been beaten to death. We have more than enough Trek to last us another 30 years. Let it rest for a while. Not long. Maybe five to ten years, but let it rest.

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Couple comments:

1. ST:4 is the 2nd best of the original cast movies. The humor, as you said R2, is very good (Nuclear wessels and What exactly does exact change mean?)

2. I find it interesting that no one, at all, has mentioned Star Trek: Insurrection. I knew it was bad, but not even a word.


BTW: If I had to rank the ST films it would probably be:

2, 4, First Contact, 6, 3, Generations, Nemesis, 5, Insurrection, 1
(5 gets as high as it does meerly for its limited comedic value...Spock attempting to interpret Row, Row, Row your Boat or Scotty's hit on the head "I know this ship like the back of my hand." *smack
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I wonder if the new Editions (Collector's / Special / Director's) of the Trek films have caused a lot of people to be pissed at Paramount for not doing them right at the time...

Nemesis may be interesting in a new longer version - there are reports of around 45mins-1 hour of footage was cut out - the reason why? Berman thinks the movie going public don't like long movies... this in the age of The Matrix, LOTR, and SW all pulling at around 2h30min+

For me the cinematic version of Nem was very choppy and had little in character development, the backstory of recent Trek history ignored, a story which had little credibility (one Reman ship seemed to be the only decent warship in Romulan space?), the dominanace of Data and Picard (AGAIN) on-screen, coupled with the Data cop-out at the end left me disappointed in modern Trek once more.

Maybe a longer version couldn't correct the faults I found above, but would hopefully go someway to making it a more well-rounded film.


For my top 5:-

Wrath of Khan
Voyage Home
Undiscovered Country
First Contact
Motion Picture.


I wish TPTB in Trek would have given Shatner his $300,000 to finish his version of ST:V for DVD a couple of years ago - would have been intriguing to see what changes there were to be made (apparently mostly effects shots towards the end involving 'Rock creatures'). Considering one Trek episode costs around $2million (I think), a fraction of that to finish one the films wouldn't have been that much to give him?

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I dont get it! Why does everybody like The Wrath of Khan so much??

I'm not saying it was bad, but what is it about it that is so great? Khan kills people to get to Kirk, but keeps missing Kirk. Then Kirk blows up Khan, and then Spock dies. (Big deal: Spock comes back.)

Maybe it is just because i don't care for the TOS characters. I dunno.



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