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JadedSkywalker said:

Other than enjoying the last third of the movie and Sidious machinations and liking the scene in the opera house, you won’t find me defending Revenge of the Sith. Each of the prequels has its moments which are difficult to positively describe without knocking them down for bad dialogue in the scripts, and I mean it’s some of the worst writing I’ve ever read in a screenplay. The films seem to be chock a block full of special effects, and characters seem to take a back seat to them.

With further development of the screenplays and a good dialogue writer, perhaps the films could have been better. But they would always be compared to the OT and to be found wanting, because their style is different, they aren’t that swashbuckling fun adventure movie Star Wars 1977 is. In media res. No they are too bogged down in space politics. Like in Phantom Menace Space taxes.

There’s only like a couple scenes that talk about these things and most of them are them barely doing that in TPM. The longest where it’s the most talked about is in the Senate later on in the movie and even that’s only a few minutes I think. And I think that scene mostly works writing wise, with some criticisms.

Even the politics are barely done for the majority of the PT. There’s many scenes, yes I think, but those scenes aren’t that long I think.

The high style dialogue and wooden politicking seem to be a deliberate choice. The Jedi sitting around in their councils, Palpatine sitting in his Chancellors office. It is rather boring.

for Space Opera serial there is very little Jedi action in the trilogy beyond the 3 lightsaber duels. Way too much dialogue standing around and talking. I didn’t write it. I would have had them visit lots of different cultures and planets getting into adventures, or the films would have been about the Clone Wars and Anakin and Obi’s relationship. And there would have been some Coruscant but way less of it. Plus I don’t see the Jedi as politicians or afraid of attachments. I completely reject the prequel version of the Jedi.

In TPM Obi and Qui fight droids more than once, Qui has a quick duel with Maul before escaping. There’s two space fights, more or less.

In AOTC, there’s a chase, Obi and Jango fight, Obi and Jango space chase battle, there’s the huge arena fight with a lot of Jedi and droids and right after that the battle between the separatist droids and the clones. Anakin and Obi fight Dooku, Yoda fights Dooku.

In ROTS, there’s the whole opening, which includes space battle, Obi and Anakin fighting droids, Obi and Anakin fighting Dooku, them fighting more droids, the crash. Then there’s the wookie droid battle, Obi fights Grevious, Mace fights Palpatine, Anakin and Obi fight and Palpatine and Yoda fight.

I would have had more ground battles and space battles as well.

How many more did you want?

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Sequels over Prequels. For me, it isn’t even much of a contest - despite them both trilogies having numerous issues, both being underwhelming, and far removed from the qualities and feel of the OT.

I’ll take the Sequels as they are simply less boring to watch; the PT is a great engaging story on paper - yet delivered a vapid, dull, unappealing, poor-CGId, borefest… that has so many needless inconsistencies and retcons to the OT (as well as much-changed lore to what had been established in the official released material before). Plus the many soulless unlikeable characters, mind-numbing dialogue, and inane acting performances in the PT (as well as poor writing / dumbing down of characters’ agency and decisions). Ugh. Then we have the subset of PT/GL fanboys/zealots… many of whom who still can’t accept others’ negative opinions / dislike on the PT without endless punctiliousness and contrarianism, or simply being abrasive or even threatening - that’s not really going to ever help change peoples’ opinions on the PT - by coming across akin to a whinier, inane, and more pathetic version of their fave PT pin-up Anakin.

The ST; I can accept that TFA played it safe whilst trying to give the message that the ST (and maybe new era of SW live-action content?) would be more akin in tone, pacing, and ‘vibe’ to the OT than the PT - leaving the other 2 ST films to take up the slack in bringing something fresh and taking chances / moving forward with the stories. And I enjoyed TLJ for doing just that (for the most part). For me, the pacing, choreography, CGI, and acting here is superior to the PT - and for the most part… the dialogue is too (‘somehow, low bars have returned’). Then TROS dropped the ball and failed to appeal as a film in itself (the story is just a mess), failed as a climax to the ST, and also as the finale of the ‘Skywalker Saga’ as a whole. Yet for all the flaws of the ST… at least I wasn’t bored watching them like I am with the PT.

Given the choice… I wouldn’t watch either the PT or ST again. I’d opt for the ‘Andor Trilogy’ (S1, S2, and Rogue One) followed by the OT and leave it there.

That’s just my take. If you like or love the PT and/or ST - then all power to you. As Wook used to say: ‘Star Wars is a buffet, enjoy the stuff you want, and leave the rest.’
 

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I would have liked to see more of Obi-Wan and Anakin’s relationship to get an insight into what Ben said in Star Wars to Luke in conversation. I don’t like how it’s just Obi-Wan is a liar. But now that is my accepted belief with A certain point of view.

I understand he built up the idea of the Jedi as guardians of the peace and great warriors to get a young man like Luke interested. He wasn’t exactly going to say your father was a butcher, who used this very lightsaber to slaughter younglings. Please come with me to Aldaraan, by the way the girl in the image projected by Artoo is your sister.

Darth Vader the right hand of the Emperor and fascist overlord is your father. Murderous psychopath and half robot because I sliced and diced him and he fell into lava.

Your father was not a good pilot, he accidentally destroyed the trade federation ship when he was 9 years old. He was always whining and never followed my lead. The older Anakin got, the more insistent he was on breaking the rules, and we Jedi built him up as the chosen one so he could do no wrong. We denied him love and companionship because it is attachment. took him from the only family and mother he ever knew. and told him not to fall in love with a woman, driving him to betray our order.

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JadedSkywalker said:

I would have liked to see more of Obi-Wan and Anakin’s relationship to get an insight into what Ben said in Star Wars to Luke in conversation. I don’t like how it’s just Obi-Wan is a liar. But now that is my accepted belief with A certain point of view.

But is that about the fights? That was more my question, as you referred to an amount I think.

Where does Obi-Wan lie, beyond a couple things? He only really does about Anakin wanting Luke to have the lightsaber and the Vader killed your dad thing really I think that I remember.

I understand he built up the idea of the Jedi as guardians of the peace and great warriors to get a young man like Luke interested. He wasn’t exactly going to say your father was a butcher, who used this very lightsaber to slaughter younglings. Please come with me to Aldaraan, by the way the girl in the image projected by Artoo is your sister.

Darth Vader the right hand of the Emperor and fascist overlord is your father. Murderous psychopath and half robot because I sliced and diced him and he fell into lava.

Your father was not a good pilot, he accidentally destroyed the trade federation ship when he was 9 years old. He was always whining and never followed my lead. The older Anakin got, the more insistent he was on breaking the rules, and we Jedi built him up as the chosen one so he could do no wrong. We denied him love and companionship because it is attachment. took him from the only family and mother he ever knew. and told him not to fall in love with a woman, driving him to betray our order.

Nothing in the PT movies ever develops the idea that Anakin was seen as a bad pilot.

To say he was always whining and never followed his lead I think isn’t what happens in the movies. And why would never following his lead contradict what he said in OT?

No one in the PT denies Anakin love or companionship.

The Jedi as a group, Obi included, didn’t take him from his only family. Shmi wanted him to go and Anakin wanted to as well, and Qui-Gon offered and told him that it would be hard.

They never told him not to fall in love with a woman in the movies.

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oojason said:

I’ll take the Sequels as they are simply less boring to watch; the PT is a great engaging story on paper - yet delivered a vapid, dull, unappealing, poor-CGId, borefest… that has so many needless inconsistencies and retcons to the OT (as well as much-changed lore to what had been established in the official released material before). Plus the many soulless unlikeable characters, mind-numbing dialogue, and inane acting performances in the PT (as well as poor writing / dumbing down of characters’ agency and decisions).

What’s more vapid about them than the ST?

I disagree about the CGI. I only think a few scenes are particularly poor.

Whose unlikable, beyond Anakin really, and that’s all I can really think of, even then that’s only in AOTC and when he’s a bad guy in ROTS I think, otherwise. Most people I’ve seen like Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon and generally Padme. Similar to Yoda or Mace. Jar-Jar may be, to me, not particularly likable, but I don’t see what’s unlikable about him particularly.

What’s different in regards to the dumbing down of characters agencies and decisions than the ST?

The ST; I can accept that TFA played it safe whilst trying to give the message that the ST (and maybe new era of SW live-action content?) would be more akin in tone, pacing, and ‘vibe’ to the OT than the PT - leaving the other 2 ST films to take up the slack in bringing something fresh and taking chances / moving forward with the stories. And I enjoyed TLJ for doing just that (for the most part). For me, the pacing, choreography, CGI, and acting here is superior to the PT - and for the most part… the dialogue is too (‘somehow, low bars have returned’). Then TROS dropped the ball and failed to appeal as a film in itself (the story is just a mess), failed as a climax to the ST, and also as the finale of the ‘Skywalker Saga’ as a whole. Yet for all the flaws of the ST… at least I wasn’t bored watching them like I am with the PT.

What’s the value of tone, pacing and vibe when there’s little to no point story or character wise overall?

How is the dialogue actually better overall?

I think TLJ is a remix of TESB with a twist of ROTJ thrown in, and it continues, to me, the regurgitation of the same empire vs rebels type dynamic, so what’s fresh or taking chances or moving forward about TLJ?

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Right, I received a PM letting me know you’ve replied to another of my posts…

The same still applies what you were plainly told in the George Lucas’s Sequel Trilogy thread…
 

oojason said:

[Degenspear post can be seen below (by clicking on the ‘Expand’ button)]…

Dagenspear said:

It’s so hilarious to me to see some people here so overly touchy about Lucas that they’re getting annoyed at outline ideas that I think do pitch distinct enough ideas comparably to Disney’s ST. It’s like a grasping of defenses for Disney’s lack of creativity to me.

 

From a bad-faith PT/GL fan seemingly on here to bait members and their views… that doesn’t mean much. That’s how many of your posts come across on here - I hope to be proven wrong on that; I suppose we’ll see… in the usual threads that PT/GL zealots usually post in.

Meanwhile, like others here, I’ll just be ignoring your posts and those of other PT/GL zealots… often talking at - yet not actually engaging with members here, or looking to learn differing POVs. Posting with a close mind on here, ignoring points made in posts, jumping in on others’ conversations in an insincere manner, then switching to another attempt at a ‘gotcha’… it is like a bad TFn circle-jerk; trolling, baiting, and posting in bad faith…

Life is just too short for all that.
 

Quite why you (and the other TFn guy with the similar posting style) then still continued on and on asking questions and attempted to performatively interact with me in the George Lucas’s Sequel Trilogy thread… is lost on me. It still applies here and for any other threads, too.

You may wish to question why others here are ignoring your posts - and rethink your baiting ‘posting style’ and comments. Or not, I guess…?

That’d be a pity if not - as you do make the occasional intriguing and insightful posts on TFn (in amongst the usual circle-jerking on there). Though it is up to you, of course. I won’t be holding my breath, either way.

If you feel I’ve been mistaken or harsh, then feel free to PM me if you wish - though meanwhile I (and likely others) will still simply be ignoring / scrolling past your posts on here.
 

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