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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
I'll try and pick up Super Mario Galaxy next week once my classes start up and I'm on the commercial side of town every day.


Really? You talked about it so much and posted so many pre-release screenshots that I simply assumed you'd already long since gotten it and beaten it. But, yeah, it doesn't disappoint, so hurry up and get it!


Hah, I would have, but I was waiting to see if anybody gave it to me for Christmas so I wouldn't end up with two copies.

They didn't.

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Originally posted by: Scout trooper
The in game music shown in the ad sounds pretty gay


Well, I don't think I've seen any ads for the game, but the score for the game is quite possibly the best score of any Mario game to date.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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If he's talking about the US ads, then he must have never seen a Wii ad before.

That music plays in every Wii commercial. It's not the score of the actual game, which is from what little I've heard of it, incredible, including new tunes and orchestrated remixes of stuff from as far back as Super Mario Bros III.

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Hell, stuff as far as back as Super Mario Bros., actually, but, yeah, definitely some stuff from SMB3 as well.

And if you are talking about the standard U.S. Wii ads... well, Chalts is right. That's not from the game. It's in every Wii commercial. Have to disagree with your feelings of its sexuality, though.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
If he's talking about the US ads, then he must have never seen a Wii ad before.


Scout Trooper lives in the UK, so I am sure he isn't talking about the US ads. At any rate, he is a huge racing game fan (which is fine) and hates Nintendo (also fine), and also likes to be antagonistic (not so fine), so don't expect him to have anything positive to say about a Mario game.

Speaking of Mario games, I could not think of a more gay name than Super Mario Sunshine (I am sure Scout Trooper would not hesitate to disagree with me on that), but I don't want to judge the book by its title. Since I don't have a Wii, and the SMSS for the GC is only twelve bucks for a used copy now, can anybody tell me if it is worth playing? Does it hold up in the slightest to SM64? Having recently played my way through SMW on my PS2 and hearing all this talk of Super Mario Galaxy has made me want to hook up my old N64 and tackle SM64 all over again, but I figured if SMSS, despite its awful name, has gameplay anywhere near as good as SM64 I might as well tackle a new challenge rather than play through an old game for the upteenth time.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I say definitely go for it. It's not the best game in the franchise, but it certainly does have some fun moments. Actually, the worst part of the game is the voice acting. Peach sounds so ditzy and annoying you just want to kill her, and Bowser is just a disaster. Thankfully, for Galaxy, they remedied this by not having the characters speak much at all. But enough about that. Um, let's see. It's been a few years since the last time I played it. Well, it's so far the only 3D Super Mario title that lets you ride a Yoshi, so that's saying something. The environments are just beautiful. I love the tropical look of this game, although, and I don't find it a problem, I've heard people complain that, since it does take place on a tropical island, the levels are almost totally limited to beach-type environments. I don't care what some people say. I enjoyed using FLUDD. And there are some levels that take you to platforming segments very similar to the 2D games, an element that would become more common in Galaxy. But, yeah, you should definitely get it.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Definitely, for just twelve bucks. Mario Sunshine is a great game; we just expect more than 'great' from Mario.

And yeah... that title does register some on the gay-dar. SUNSHINE!

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Oh, come on. I could take it in this direction... What? You don't like the sun? That registers on my goth-dar! ^_~

Yeah, I know that was lame, but, hey, I have no problems with the title. And I just woke up.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Thanks guys. I had heard so many negative things about it I just really wasn't sure if it was even worth messing with. But I had also heard plenty of bad things about WindWaker and I am enjoying it. I think part of the problem was that standards were set pretty high on the N64 with Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time that their next-gen followups had too much to live up to.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Well, I think the main reason people complained about Wind Waker was because of its drastically changed graphical style, but once they played it, they started to like it. I embarrassingly remember that was the way it was for me. I think the main reason people complained about Sunshine was, as the game magazines put it, a lack of innovation. To them, it just didn't push much farther than Mario 64 (except in terms of graphics, which I think are excellent).

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Well the difference is Wind Waker is still an incredible game, while Mario Sunshine isn't. I never had a problem with the graphical styles of either*, and I'm only poking fun at Sunshine's name because C3PX brought it up. It didn't stop me from dropping fifty bucks on it back in '02. The magazines were, IMO, right to criticise Sunshine for not being so innovative. Remember, Sunshine came out the same year as the original Ratchet and Clank, so Sunshine felt dated by comparison as far as gameplay goes (I know R&C came out later, but the gaming mags had already played it at trade shows and such.) Also, Jak and Daxter came out a year earlier, so that was probably part of the reason as well.

*Okay, fine, when they first unveiled the Wind Waker look in 2001, I was a bit disappointed it wouldn't look like the Spaceworld 2000 demo, but seeing it in motion convinced me.

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Part of me has to wonder, though, if Sunshine has developed something of the same reputation as Super Mario World sometimes gets (although much less now) following a hugely innovative game. Super Mario World was criticized for not pushing it much farther than its universally renowned predecessor, Super Mario Bros. 3, and Miyamoto states that he wishes he'd gotten to do more with it... that he felt rushed, and that it wasn't as good a game as he thought it could have been. Of course, most people find it a game of high regard, and I honestly don't see anything lacking in it at all. But those statements seem to be echoed quite a bit in Sunshine, following the highly revolutionary SM64, with similar comments from Miyamoto. I guess time will tell how Sunshine will be viewed in the future, although I honestly don't see it as ever being held as highly as SMW is.

But I've never played either Jak and Dakster or Ratchet and Clank, so, sadly, I really can't relate to those statements.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Part of me has to wonder, though, if Sunshine has developed something of the same reputation as Super Mario World sometimes gets (although much less now) following a hugely innovative game. Super Mario World was criticized for not pushing it much farther than its universally renowned predecessor, Super Mario Bros. 3, and Miyamoto states that he wishes he'd gotten to do more with it... that he felt rushed, and that it wasn't as good a game as he thought it could have been.


Wow, I remember dying for an SNES and Super Mario World after several of my friends got theirs and I was still stuck with the NES my parents had bought for me and my sister a few years before. We had bought Super Mario Bros. 3 when it first came out and we had beat it several times already (I can still remember the first time we beat Bowser on SMB3). To me SMW was a whole new level of gaming. I could hardly believe the vast world and the fantastic detail of the graphic. From the beginning I never saw that game as anything short of amazing. SMW2: Yoshi's Island on the other hand is far too annoying of a game to be worth playing at all IMHO. Super Mario 64 for me was SMW all over again, nothing short of amazing.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Personally, I agree. I always loved the game and still do and was quite surprised to hear anything negative of it. But I've still always regarded SMB3 as my favorite, even though SMW provides such a greater degree of freedom and exploration than had been seen in its predecessors. But I actually liked Yoshi's Island a lot as well. I don't think beating it is frustrating. Trying to get 100 on every level... that's frustrating, especially in terms of stars, since one little mistake will knock you down a peg.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: C3PX
SMW2: Yoshi's Island on the other hand is far too annoying of a game to be worth playing at all IMHO. Super Mario 64 for me was SMW all over again, nothing short of amazing.


Huh? SMW2 isn't as good as the first, but it's still a great game and well worth playing. I missed the SNES version, but when it came to GBA, it never left my system for a solid month.

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Am currently playing the tank game a lot from Wii Play


for some strange reason I'm addicted to it - much as I was playing, and completing, GoldenEye on the n64 just after Xmas (a top present from the mother-in-law - one that brought back the memories of youth )

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: C3PX
SMW2: Yoshi's Island on the other hand is far too annoying of a game to be worth playing at all IMHO. Super Mario 64 for me was SMW all over again, nothing short of amazing.


Huh? SMW2 isn't as good as the first, but it's still a great game and well worth playing. I missed the SNES version, but when it came to GBA, it never left my system for a solid month.


Perhaps I have never given it enough of a chance. I always just found it such a departure from the usual formula (which isn't always a bad thing) that I never felt like I was actually playing a Mario game. And every time you loose the dumb baby off your back it is such an annoyance. I have played through a few levels of it, but I just really never enjoyed it at all.

One non-major Mario game that I thought was a lot of fun and incredibly well done was Super Mario RPG. I am not too big of a fan of turned based RPGs, but I had no problem putting up with it for that game. I loved being able to go around the Mushroom kingdom and other worlds and talk to everybody. The villiages and kingdoms in that game really had a very quaint design to them, it turned what has always been a 2D world that we know very little about into a vast 3D fantasy world wide open for exploration.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Yeah, all the Mario RPG series are great. In fact, I'm in the middle of simultaneously playing two of them: Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door and Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga. Both of them I definitely recommend. Both are funny as hell. The paper motif in the Paper Mario games is really charming and the battle system really involving (making even stronger use of timing hits than Super Mario RPG). Mario & Luigi is just hilarious, especially the way Luigi is the butt of every joke. And for me, growing up during the Mario cartoons, Mario & Luigi is the closest I've ever felt to actually playing the cartoon with both Mario Bros. working together (and actually occasionally doing some plumbing work). Oh, and the Geno doll makes a cameo appearance in Mario & Luigi. My only regret is that there has never been (and probably never will be) a true sequel to the original Mario RPG. One of my favorite games of all time.

And, Chalts, I always thought about repurchasing Yoshi's Island for the GBA (as I have every other Mario Advance game), but I absolutely cannot stand Yoshi's new voice (I say new, but it's about ten years old now), and it would probably drive me crazy to have to hear him that much. Did it bother you at all?

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I don't recall if Yoshi's new voice was even in the GBA remake, but I can't remember it bothering me. Then again, I never hated it to begin with. The only annoying sound effect I recall from the game is Baby Mario's crying, and if you're good, you won't have to hear that very often.

And, yeah, 3PX, SMW2 is definitely a big departure, but I think the game is more than worth it for the boss battles alone. Though if that's still not enough assurance, Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga is also awesome. Great SM-RPG-style gameplay combined with a hilarious story and characters. Fawful should be in SSB Brawl. I hope he's at least an Assist Trophy.

The best part: the seven elder Koopalings are all bosses and there's no Bowser Jr. in sight.

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Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention that! The return of the Koopalings alone is worthy of a purchase!

But, yeah, Yoshi's new voice is there. I saw clips on YouTube.

And Fawful is really going to be in Brawl?! That would be hilarious. I love that little Engrish guy!

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape

And Fawful is really going to be in Brawl?! That would be hilarious. I love that little Engrish guy!


No, I said I hope he's in Brawl. Just wishful thinking, as Fawful's inclusion is a long shot.

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Oh, I see I misread. When you said, "Fawful should be in Brawl," I interpreted "should" to mean, "is supposed to be," rather than it meaning, "I think he should."

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Going back to a previous topic (well, from the top of the page) about Zelda, and more specifically Wind Waker, the more time goes by, the more I absolutely love Wind Waker and I can't stand Twilight Princess.

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I really should finish Twilight Princess. A little less than a year ago, I just... stopped playing it and never came back to it. Just lost interest. But it seemed to be a pretty good game. I don't know.

Nanner, without giving out any spoilers, could you say why you hate it so much?

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Well, not really, because most of my anger towards the game is because of the crappy ending.

Basically, the boss battle is....anti-climactic, to say the least. It's one of those boss battles where, once you finish it, you can't help but think "I clocked in all this play time, and this is all I get?"

I felt the same way about Super Mario Sunshine, now that I think about it.

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