The Last Jedi: Legendary (Released) — Page 48

Hal 9000 said:

Rey mentions to Luke that the FO will control “all the major systems within weeks.” That’s what I had in mind, anyway.

I like that the movie aknowledges what taking “control of the galaxy” means with that line from Rey, but it never really delves into that, as it’s instead focused on Snoke taking care of the remaining threats before assuming control, so for the crawl I think just saying “control of the galaxy” would be more clear and to the point.

Hal 9000 said:

That’s just it, evidently those lost students have nothing to do with the Knights of Ren according to canon, although I think that was RJ’s intentions with that dialogue. I imagine he’d have had the scene go about as we have it in V5 were the Knights of Ren not introduced as a concept in TFA.

The comic book that shows what happened right after the slaughter appears to retcon this and tuck the inconsistencies away.

The thing is we’re hearing Luke’s perspective of events, who was unconscious while it all happened. He woke up, saw the temple on fire and some of his students dead, so he figured Ben had slaughtered them and left with the others. We know from the rest of the film that Luke’s not a reliable narrator (and that would be doubly true for events he didn’t even witness), that’s the whole point of the flashback scenes so any inconsistency with what “really happened” in some comic isn’t really an issue.

Kylo tells Rey that he “destroyed his temple”, but he never tells his side of what happened with the students, it’s supposed to be left ambiguous and we’re meant to wonder how it all really happened, the fact not all of Luke’s students were “slaughtered” really drives home that we’re not told the whole story. If anything the comic expands on that by revealing the “truth” behind those students that vanished with Ben. Though I don’t really care for the way it was handled, and I also think it’s fair to ignore such ancillary material and headcannon they’re Ren’s Knights or whatever else.

I get that, what I’m saying is there are bigger narrative and thematic implications for that detail in Luke’s story than simply “setting up the origin of the KoR”, whether those students were the KoR or not isn’t really relevant for the story of this movie, but the ambiguity, the moral greyness and the mistery of what happened are. Luke saying “Ben killed everyone” removes that and also hurts Ben/Kylo’s character as a result. You removed Anakin killing children from LoE to help his character, but here the opposite is done by making Luke’s interpretation of events, that Kylo “slaughtered” everyone, seem like the only possible interpretation of what happened.

Thing is, they aren’t exactly crumbling. In fact, they’re in remarkably good condition considering the fact that they were likely built thousands of generations ago.

Thus exactly why the Caretakers were invented.

Sure, but like, all I’m saying is that realistically speaking there would be nothing but some weathered bricks laying around by the time Luke shows up there. Not nearly enough to make the numerous structures we see (and mind you he’d have to do it all by hand without the Force due to his cutting off).

Place probably hasn’t been inhabited for countless generations.

I remember seeing much more than two buildings. Also, 1000 generations times an average of 100 years is 100,000 years. That’s a lot more than the couple thousand or so years we see for the structures left here on Earth.

Ah well, like you said, this is kind of a moot point.

Hal 9000 said:

It’s not something I feel super passionate about even though it’s appealing to smooth over the ST’s rocky terrain when possible and unintrusive.

This doesn’t really smooth over the trilogy, it smooths over TLJ and a series of comics, TROS doesn’t offer an alternative explanation for the KoR’s origins so to someone that only watches the movies there’s no contradiction. They might come off assuming the KoR were once Luke’s students but I don’t see the issue with that, if anything it would help make the KoR feel less bland and pointless in TROS for them. Sure they might go on Wookiepedia, learn of the ‘canon’ explanation and think “well that sucks”, but that’s true of a lot of the ‘canon’ we pick and choose to ignore, such as the caretakers on Ach-to or the Death Star cannons of the Sith Fleet.

That’s fair, I guess the bottom line is that what this change does to TLJ’s narrative bothers me but not you, and the fact it wasn’t expanded upon in TROS bothers you but not me. I mean, there’s so little TROS properly picks up from TLJ and you just have to accept that to enjoy both films, I guess you can argue for “one less thing”, but tbh I appreciate that some things from TLJ, while not “followed up on”, at least where not actively rewritten or undone by TROS. Luke’s confrontation with Ben is something that’s simply not revisited in ep IX, so this change just seems trivial as far as “smoothing over” the trilogy.

I know Rekindled has a No palatine version, does it fit better with a rey nobody trilogy or its ok to go with palatine one in it. Is Legendary fitting to Rey nobody idea

It appears Mark Hamill has done some audio books. This is good news, because I created Leia’s fantastic voice clone using a similar sample.

Do we have any ideas on something Luke should say?

Feel free to consider this: https://youtu.be/_NoNU4g26A4

Might need some audio work.

Sounds just like Alec Guinness. Would something like, “Luke, take your final step, become one with force, she needs your help” work also or is it too wordy?