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Very much looking forward to the next epsiode - thought Summer Glau did some top acting last week - in a sold flashback episode that really held you into her story.

 

Last week's Chuck was a good watch too :) 

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I really thought that they should have done the show with the timeline during the war with the machines, as that would be a really gritty show.  This show just doesn't have any tension cause you know John Connor survives, and it isn't a bad show, but it is kinda like the Prequels, you know where it is going, so there is nothing suspensful unless they screw up the continuity of the original movies like Lucas did to the OT.

The only shows I have loved were the flashbacks from the future with Derek and the female terminator, as that should be the main story of the show.  Oh well...

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Chewy72 said:

This show just doesn't have any tension cause you know John Connor survives, you know where it is going, so there is nothing suspensful .

So?  You knew the crew was always going to solve the problem of the week on any of the various Star Trek series but you watched anyway (you=figuratively, not literally).  It's not about IF they succeed or survive, it's about HOW they succeed or survive.

It's the journey, not the destination.

 

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So?  You knew the crew was always going to solve the problem of the week on any of the various Star Trek series but you watched anyway (you=figuratively, not literally).  It's not about IF they succeed or survive, it's about HOW they succeed or survive.

It's the journey, not the destination.

 

 

In Star Trek II, they do kill off Spock:)

There is a difference between Star Trek and Terminator TV show, in that you already know where everything is leading to, whereas the Star Trek show had the freedom to go anywhere it pleased.

Don't get me wrong, I don't know where the show is going every week, but I think the fatal flaw in all these 'prequel' show/movies is that you are essentially watching a story unfold that you already know what is going to happen.

Now for some people, they love to see how everyone got to where they were, but for me I like stories that are told that head into territory that you don't know where the show will go.  Everytime that Terminator goes after John like it did on the Pier two weeks ago, I knew he would survive. 

 A show about the War with the machines would have been great, as I have always waited for the movies on this story too.  That would be great tension every week, who would survive, would John Connor make it through the war?  How do humans eventually win?  Do they ever win?  It would be alot more interesting this timeline.

IMO

 

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I think the prequel "flaw" everybody always talks about, it hardly as much of a flaw as some would have you think. Like, has already been said, it isn't the destination, it is the ride. Sure, we knew Anakin would be Darth Vader, and we knew Obi-Wan would survive and Mace Windu would die. Some people use this as a arguement "well of course the SW PT couldn't be good, you already knew what would happen!" Of course you did, but the ride could have still been enjoyable.

Who here went to the theater to see Terminator 2 and wondered if John was going to be killed by the liquid metal terminator or not? Of course he wasn't, just about anyone who knows anything about Hollywood movies knew that wasn't going to happen, yet they still enjoyed it the first time, and the second time, and the third time, and so on, that they watched it. 

Have you ever been to a James Bond movie and honestly felt that Bond was in any real danger? You knew he would escape, you just never knew how. And yet those scenes still had a lot of tension to them. Still everytime I see Goldfinger's lazer heading toward Bond's crotch I squirm in my chair, just a little.

We know John will live, but actually, Sarah and everyone else are fair game. I do not think this hurts the show any, this season the show has had plenty of other problems, but knowing thar John will survive isn't one of them, IMHO. However, I must say, I really enjoyed the last episode, maybe it will be uphill from here. I am kind of thinking a full twenty some episode season was a bad idea, nine epiosdes is a little too short last seasn, but we are already seeing a lot of filler this season.

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Well it's not simply a prequel if they re-write future history so to speak. Camerons interference has already altered the fute events we saw unfold in T3. Things might change a lot further during the course of the series.

All in all I'd think a version set in the future where they fight off skynet every week would get kind of stale, I always thought the point of the story was Skynet trying to prevent John Connor from leading the resistance fighters.

I feel like the show is improving all the time even though it still does feel uneven. Hopefully the show will find its feet soon.

Last weeks episode with Cameron / Alison was probably the best one yet...But the one before that where Charlie's wife died was probably the worst one yet.

 

 

 

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I don't feel like this is a prequel series because I'm not sure how they're going to end it.  Are they going to have Judgment Day happen no matter what the Connors do (like Terminator 3) or are they going to prevent Judgment Day from happening?  Yeah, we're sure John Connor's not going to die, but its his mission that intrests me.  Can they stop the end of the world?

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I think the prequel "flaw" everybody always talks about, it hardly as much of a flaw as some would have you think. Like, has already been said, it isn't the destination, it is the ride. Sure, we knew Anakin would be Darth Vader, and we knew Obi-Wan would survive and Mace Windu would die. Some people use this as a arguement "well of course the SW PT couldn't be good, you already knew what would happen!" Of course you did, but the ride could have still been enjoyable.

Have you ever been to a James Bond movie and honestly felt that Bond was in any real danger? You knew he would escape, you just never knew how. And yet those scenes still had a lot of tension to them. Still everytime I see Goldfinger's lazer heading toward Bond's crotch I squirm in my chair, just a little.

See, I would have rather seen Episodes 7,8,9 instead of the Prequels any day of the week.  Lucas could have done anything with the story after Jedi, he could have gone anyway with the characters, and I actually think it would have been a better trilogy, even with Lucas's negatives as a director these days.

The problem with these prequel shows/movies is that you get locked into the story, and hurts the storytelling end.  The only way to throw a twist in there is to usually hurt the continuity with the existing story.  So I was in shock that Padme died at childbirth, only because Leia said she died while very young in Jedi!

Now flashbacks always works in movies, cause you are essentially glossing over anything specific and just giving a general backround of where that characters came from, as Godfather II flashbacks work perfect with the present-time storytelling that Pacino is going through as Crime Boss now.

As for James Bond movies, I have never been interested in them, and the reason I do hate them is that you know that the character will survive, as it is always a ridiculous story too.  I will take a movie like Rocky, where he loses at the end, anyday of the week over some action adventure movie that you know what is going to happen the minute the movie starts.

 

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I will take a movie like Rocky, where he loses at the end, any day of the week over some action adventure movie that you know what is going to happen the minute the movie starts.

 

Like Star Wars or Terminator?

 

Anyway, it is ironic that we are talking about Terminator here, one of the few movies series that actually had continuity holes long before its first was ever even written. From the second movie, you had to know John would survive just as much as you know he will survive in TSCC. Same thing for T3.

And the whole thing about prequels not being able to have any plot twists without messing up existing continuity (such as Leia's recollection of her mother. Though I fail to see Padme's lame death being anything like a plot twist, slap in the face maybe, but definitely not a plot twist), I do not see to be true at all, and actually coming from a very limited story telling perspective.

The SW prequels could have been about absolutely anything, we knew relatively little about the story, just a few little fragments, as long the story kept just a few elements to it (Anakin and Obi-Wan being good friends and serving together in the clone wars, Anakin having conceiving twins, Anakin eventually being seduced by the Darkside and becoming Darth Vader, and Yoda surviving, the two trilogies didn't have to have very much in common at all, or mess up each other continuity in any way. Ol' George is the one who decided that everything had to be closely connected and that the universe had to be only slightly larger than my own living room. Plenty of other characters could have been introduced and allowed to live or die. Without disturbing continuity, it could have been discovered that several more Jedi other than Obi and Yoda were living as hermits on various other planets, or that there really was a duel between an apprentice of Obi-Wan who fell to the darkside and Anakin, only instead of being killed by him as Obi-Wan tell Luke, Anakin could have killed him in what began his fall to the darkside, in this way Obi-Wan could have personally felt that his other pupil really was the murderer of his close friend.

It is a sorry cop out to make excuses for the Star Wars prequels, or any other prequel, by saying that there is no way they could be good because you know what will happen. The SW PT had PLENTY of room for surprises, but in the end the only surprising thing was how each episode managed to be worse than the last.

 

Back to TSCC, as was seen in last weeks episode, and perhaps show even more tonight (hopefully), there is really no way to predict the direction this thing will take, it has plenty of room for surprises. Though in my opinion surprises in film and TV show are usually cheap gimmicks, especially modernly. M. Night R... however you spell his last name, is a perfect example of this. I feel cheated everytime I see one of his movies, sure I didn't know what was going to happen in the end, but the end ends being so lame and so far out there, of course nobody is going to guess the ending.

 

 

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 The SW PT had PLENTY of room for surprises, but in the end the only surprising thing was how each episode managed to be worse than the last.

That is a classic quote that I can't argue with!  Though we will agree to disagree about the new Terminator show, we can always come together that the PT sucked!

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New timeline as of last night's episode: "Goodbye to All That"

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a115/doubleofive/Terminator/th_TerminatorTimeline-1.png

Not much different except ANOTHER temporal incursion.  Skynet seems to have gone a bit overboard with the 888's.

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RIGHT NOW THERE IS RUMOR THAT FOX WAS CANCEL THE SHOW DUE TO LACKLUSTER RATINGS.  THEY ARE AFRAID THAT THE SHOW IS ALSO PULLING DOWN THE RATING FOR PRISON BREAK.  THE FACT IS EVERY FOX SHOW HAS BEEN DOWN IN THE RATING FOR THE MOST PART.  FOX WILL FIRST TRY TO SHUFFLE THEIR SHOW SCHEDULES BEFORE CANCELING TSCC.  OF COURSE, THIS IS JUST RUMOR.

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Why would they cancel this show right when they are trying to sell us on that mcg trilogy.  Which even with Christian Bail sounds to be full of fail all over.

You know that Salvation Movie that is supposed to be rated pg-13 and have lots of bad fake cgi, instead of makeup and animatronics.  Al little Cgi goes a long way.  I think Carmeron even got carried away in t2 on the effects.

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another absorobing ep of TSCC last night :)

 

Brian Austin Green has turned out to be a very promising actor (last thing I saw him in was the dreaded 90201 show) - his scenes lifted the episode even further, and a good revelation at the end too. More flashback stuff is always welcome - especially when it's executed well and adds to the script.

 

Nice takedown of the T888 too!

 

Still think Agent Ellison needs more screen time - but like that they are building his part in the story up - most intriguing...

I am now in fear of what the Manson-nator can do to people as well ;)

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Loved the last episode, hopefully it'll keep going up from here. Episodes like this make the show worth watching.

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RIGHT NOW THERE IS RUMOR THAT FOX WAS CANCEL THE SHOW DUE TO LACKLUSTER RATINGS.  THEY ARE AFRAID THAT THE SHOW IS ALSO PULLING DOWN THE RATING FOR PRISON BREAK.  THE FACT IS EVERY FOX SHOW HAS BEEN DOWN IN THE RATING FOR THE MOST PART.  FOX WILL FIRST TRY TO SHUFFLE THEIR SHOW SCHEDULES BEFORE CANCELING TSCC.  OF COURSE, THIS IS JUST RUMOR.

Yeah, they'll probably try to shuffle it and then hope it fails.  Unfortunately for them, in an age of TiVo and DVR's, it doesn't matter the date and time that the show airs, it'll still get watched.

Fox just doesn't seem to like Sci-Fi shows.

 

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PSYCHO_DAYV said:

RIGHT NOW THERE IS RUMOR THAT FOX WAS CANCEL THE SHOW DUE TO LACKLUSTER RATINGS.  THEY ARE AFRAID THAT THE SHOW IS ALSO PULLING DOWN THE RATING FOR PRISON BREAK.  THE FACT IS EVERY FOX SHOW HAS BEEN DOWN IN THE RATING FOR THE MOST PART.  FOX WILL FIRST TRY TO SHUFFLE THEIR SHOW SCHEDULES BEFORE CANCELING TSCC.  OF COURSE, THIS IS JUST RUMOR.

Yeah, they'll probably try to shuffle it and then hope it fails.  Unfortunately for them, in an age of TiVo and DVR's, it doesn't matter the date and time that the show airs, it'll still get watched.

Fox just doesn't seem to like Sci-Fi shows.

 

Problem is the networks and Nielsens don't see it that way.  They want to know that you're watching the show WHEN THEY TELL YOU to watch it.  You're not allowed to have a life when the TV is off, remember?

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Yeah, they'll probably try to shuffle it and then hope it fails.  Unfortunately for them, in an age of TiVo and DVR's, it doesn't matter the date and time that the show airs, it'll still get watched.

Fox just doesn't seem to like Sci-Fi shows.

 

 

I wonder how shows like Family Guy (during its first run), Futurama (again, during its initial run), and Firefly (the one that was unfortunate enough not to get a second chance like the previous two I mentioned) would have faired against Fox's death warrants had they all aired in the age of DVR and Tivo. I know the Nelson's ratings wouldn't have looked any better, but surely more people would have watched and given an uproar when cancellation was announced.

 

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Sci Fi shows can have a huge fanbase and still not be saved.  A million fans got together writing to paramount to save enterprise and they still got the axe, and a similar situation happened with Journeyman.

They don't care that there may be millions of potential viewers or fans.  They want these shows to get the same ratings as puke reality shows like American Idol.  I am surprised just how idiotic and dumb the average american is and how they all have add.  Even in the 2lst century they don't get science fiction.  But then again this would explain why younger generations ate up the substanceless prequels and indy 4 and clone wars, Our technology gets better generation while the kids get dumber.

Not only do these stupid excutives cancel these sci fi shows and replace them with inferior ones, but when they dump the cancelled shows to dvd like paramount and charge 120 dollars a season and say see the dvd sales there never was any audience for this show to begin with.

Fox are morons they cancelled futurama because it was not the simpsons in outer space, and they cancelled Space Above and Beyond because it was not Star Wars for tv that they wanted.  X-files should have been canceled after the first few seasons. 

Many Cotto could have saved enterprise though the show died because of the firing of rick berman as star treks head honcho.  Because of the lackluster nemesis movie and they also cancelled the romulan wars movie penned by the screenwriter of band of brothers.  They went in a completely different direction with a reboot and jj movie.  and are currently in talks for a sixth television series.

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No new episode until the 20th. :(

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An extra 2 episodes have been orderd by Fox to follow on to this season's initial 13. Hopefully the rest of the back 9 episodes will come soon.

 

Fox has also stated it is aware of the online popularity of the show (it temporarily crashed the Fox server earlier this week).

Disappointing there is no show for 2 weeks - though hopefully it'll pick up right where it left off :)

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lordjedi said:
PSYCHO_DAYV said:

RIGHT NOW THERE IS RUMOR THAT FOX WAS CANCEL THE SHOW DUE TO LACKLUSTER RATINGS.  THEY ARE AFRAID THAT THE SHOW IS ALSO PULLING DOWN THE RATING FOR PRISON BREAK.  THE FACT IS EVERY FOX SHOW HAS BEEN DOWN IN THE RATING FOR THE MOST PART.  FOX WILL FIRST TRY TO SHUFFLE THEIR SHOW SCHEDULES BEFORE CANCELING TSCC.  OF COURSE, THIS IS JUST RUMOR.

Yeah, they'll probably try to shuffle it and then hope it fails.  Unfortunately for them, in an age of TiVo and DVR's, it doesn't matter the date and time that the show airs, it'll still get watched.

Fox just doesn't seem to like Sci-Fi shows.

 

Problem is the networks and Nielsens don't see it that way.  They want to know that you're watching the show WHEN THEY TELL YOU to watch it.  You're not allowed to have a life when the TV is off, remember?

As far as they know, I am watching it when they want me to watch it.  If my DVR is on and recording, they can't tell the difference if I'm sitting there or not.  I don't have a Tivo, I have a DVR from the cable company.  Tivo is the only one that actually reports your viewing habits (because it records your viewing habits as well).  And that's exactly why "low ratings" won't really be a valid excuse if they do shuffle it around.

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Yeah, they'll probably try to shuffle it and then hope it fails.  Unfortunately for them, in an age of TiVo and DVR's, it doesn't matter the date and time that the show airs, it'll still get watched.

Fox just doesn't seem to like Sci-Fi shows.

 

 

I wonder how shows like Family Guy (during its first run), Futurama (again, during its initial run), and Firefly (the one that was unfortunate enough not to get a second chance like the previous two I mentioned) would have faired against Fox's death warrants had they all aired in the age of DVR and Tivo. I know the Nelson's ratings wouldn't have looked any better, but surely more people would have watched and given an uproar when cancellation was announced.

 

FireFly failed for one reason: they aired the episodes out of order.  I was at Comic-Con that year and got to see a preview of the pilot episode.  When I sat down to watch the show during the season opener, I couldn't figure out exactly what was going on.  What they had done was aired, I think, the second episode first.  They didn't even air the pilot episode until 4 episodes later.  Joss Whedon later stated that Fox simply didn't want a Sci-Fi show at the time, hence the reason for airing it out of order and then cancelling it.  Since Fox owns the rights to "FireFly" the movie was called "Serenity".

I don't watch the other shows, so I can't comment on them.

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Fox are morons they cancelled futurama because it was not the simpsons in outer space, and they cancelled Space Above and Beyond because it was not Star Wars for tv that they wanted.  X-files should have been canceled after the first few seasons.

X-Files was the only decent Sci-Fi show Fox had on for a while.  What should not have been done is the extension of X-Files after season 5.  Chris Carter had a 5 season arc for the show.  After that finished, he wanted to end it.  Fox wouldn't let him.  They demanded he write more.  That's when the show got hokey and shitty.  It basically went on 3 seasons longer than it should have, all because Fox had a hit that they didn't want to let go of.

The opposite was done with Babylon 5.  JMS had a 5 season arc written before the show started production.  They got half way through season 4 when they got put on hiatus, so they had to wrap everything up quickly.  But then they got picked up again and had to make up a bunch of stuff as filler.

The point of all of this is that network executives are stupid.

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yesterday's episode played out well - some really interesting developments with the characters (especially the pressure and expectation on John), as well as the link and importance and role of the doctor. Lots of shades of grey with more questions being asked too.

Hopefully the previous ep and this one is a sign this season is really kicking in - can't wait for next week's ep.

 

Plus, the netire season has been given the ok by Fox (seems TSSC's popularity on Tivo, online, dvd-ding and whatever else has contributed to it too?):-

http://www.thrfeed.com/2008/10/fox-picks-up-te.html

 

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IS summer Glau a good actress or just a pretty face.

Seems to me this show is sold just on looks alone, but as a sidetrack has a somewhat decent plot.

Unlike Knightrider which is only about the car and the boobs.

I'll be honest and say that when that i heard that dude i hated from that show i hated 90210 was going to be on this show.

Thankfully he does not reprise the role of the douchebad from that show.

Hey it could have been worse they could have got Dillan instead,lol.

You know that guy from the awful Buffy movie, the invasion tv film and bit part in the fifth elements prologue.

 

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