Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread — Page 60

Thanks for the comments! It’s likely not the final version, but yeah, I’ll drop that landing shot. I just love the Falcon though. ☺

idir_hh said:

Gothamknight said:

I ran with RogueLeader’s idea to produce the following test-run of the final TROS scene. The last shot is Rey’s ignition of her lightsaber.

https://vimeo.com/404633031

The password is gothamknighttros.

The pacing and sound are fantastic, could do away with that landing shot though.
Also very clever restructuring of the scene, I think that if we wanted to stick to tradition with the sunset ending, Rey’s ignited saber could be inserted into the scene , come to think of it, It would be a meaningfull call back to the broom boy scene from TLJ.

idir_hh said:

Balance could refer to Yung’s concept of integrating the shadow, being in control of your dark side instead of vice-versa, basically using it for good.

Appreciate these comments, and those by RogueLeader as well. You guys have reminded me of the Star Trek episode in which Kirk gets split into an over-aggressive self and a feeble self. Maybe Force “balance” involves that kind of thing.

In my opinion, though still related to what you two have suggested, the EU had the best Force exploration by far, in the New Jedi Order series.

Very well said! I guess in my ST reedit I’m hoping to funnel some of this discussion down into Ben’s character arc. Maybe he hears Force-ghosts expressing exactly the ideas in this thread.

act on instinct said:

In that vein it should also be noted that Star Wars has a lot to say about personal choice vs destiny, the ultimate evil character The Emperor is the one to proclaim “everything is as I have forseen” while Yoda is one to say “always in motion is the future” showing their differences in predestination. Anakin is given a choice and is specifically told he must choose and chooses the dark side (out of fear), Luke also makes a choice to reject that path. It’s there the morals about agency are very intentional, if somewhat muddled.

😅 Yes, that’s exactly what I’m doing! I just can’t keep up with it daily.

Hmm, maybe we can assume Chewie has visited his family between movie instalments??

RogueLeader said:

You have been going back through and rereading the thread recently, haven’t you? 😂

Thanks for sharing! The battlefront stuff was something I was looking at using for this idea at the time. I still think it would be a nice way to end Chewie’s story, but I think it would take a lot of work to make it seamless. I’ve kind of moved on from this idea now.

RogueLeader said:
I know there have been edits where Luke doesn’t die at the end of TLJ, but there’s really no way to explain his absence in IX if he is actually alive still. The effort might be to try to improve his characterization

I think - given the limited footage - the best way to handle Luke is to frame him as the old Obi-Wan of this trilogy. He’s assumed to have been heavily involved in the “stories we don’t get to see,” and his death is a very natural self-sacrifice that echoes Kenobi’s in ANH.

So basically: remove Johnson’s “Jake Skywalker” mode.

Sometime down the road, I’d love to see a trilogy in which a post-ROTJ Luke, Leia, Han, and Lando are recast, and we see them in adventures that bridge to the ST.

This ⬇

NFBisms said:

Even if you believe Star Wars is just supposed to be about the Skywalkers, there’s nothing wrong with having the last trilogy be about the influence of that family and their story. That’s still ostensibly about them.

Rey Nobody, a girl who becomes a hero from being inspired by their legend, is a meaningful way to cap off their legacy. It’s a lot better than a daughter inheriting her father’s responsibility and just seeing it through. (also why Kylo/Ben not seeing his through was interesting!)

I really do not like that grunt noise Rey makes as she finishes meditating, so for me I think this was a nice change. I hope someone here decides to replicate it in their edit.

These are a few preview frames of the crawl I wrote for my edit: https://imgur.com/a/KtkefTG

OutboundFlight said:

Clavis said:

These are a few preview frames of the crawl I wrote for my edit: https://imgur.com/a/KtkefTG

This is a huge improvement from “The Dead Speak!” good job. But one question…

What is with the ST’s fetish for CAPITALIZATION? Of the original six, only three movies have one full-capital letter – ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC, DEATH STAR, and GALACTIC EMPIRE. All which are some of the most important parts of the movie.

In the ST, we get three for TFA, more than all six movies combined, for the three factions. Same for TLJ, only now there are two factions, but don’t we already know the key terms from the last one? AND then TROS stops CARING with SIX capitalized WORDS basically ANY proper NOUN they COULD find. I know it’s a pretty stupid thing to rant about but it bothers me.

Thanks! I might tone the capitalization down.

ChainsawAsh said:

If we could somehow do a wholesale saber replacement throughout and have her use Leia’s to replace Anakin’s which broke in TLJ, then Luke gives her his green one on Ach-To…that’d be an interesting experiment. But it might not work given how much dialogue is centered around “[Leia’s] brother’s saber.”

This would be definitely awesome, but there would also be a problem of how she obtained before going back to Lukes island, unless someones thought of how to pull that part off

Well, in this theoretical version, she would have Leia’s saber from the start because Leia would have kept it and passed it on to her when Anakin’s was destroyed. The saber Luke gives her on Ach-To would be his green one that he’d hidden away after arriving on the planet before the events of the ST, not Leia’s.

😂😂😂😂

krausfadr said:
Make Rey Luke AND Leia’s daughter. Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

idir_hh said:
Luke and Leia’s ghosts adopting Rey at the end did feel weird

Enh, I didn’t take it as “adoption” (like, parentally) so much as affirmation of her choice to identify with them.

I gotta say, while the sequel trilogy as a whole contains a cruiser-full of problems, and though I purposely read the spoilers before seeing TROS . . . I was surprisingly moved by that ending.

I’m going to retain “Rey Nobody/Skywalker,” but just have the story begin with her already trained or in training.

EddieDean said:
I’m offended. You use the phrase ‘identity politics’ twice. . . . Not one iota of that happens in Disney Star Wars
Strong women exist. Female characters who serve something other than male characters’ romantic subplot exist. They’re not a threat to you. Get over it.

Interpreting the sequels as having an identity politics-type of agenda simply does not equate to fearing or rejecting strong women. Please don’t jump to that false conclusion and accusation.

Virtually any Disney/Lucasfilm critic you care to name is simultaneously a fan of Ripley, Sarah Connor, Alita, Ahsoka, Wonder Woman, etc. All strong women, all applauded by countless male fans who will nonetheless insist there’s a feminist agenda in Disney Star Wars.

I can’t stand Kathleen Kennedy – yet my boss is a woman and one of the best bosses I’ve ever had.

EddieDean said:
Firstly, imply more training.

Agreed. I just don’t think from the beginning of TLJ is sufficient, given that already in TFA she–

a) flies the Falcon as well as Han, though it seems she’s never piloted a ship before;
b) resists Kylo’s Force-probing of her;
c) Force-compels others; and,
d) defeats Kylo-friggin’-Ren in her first-ever lightsaber duel.

Secondly, lean into the ‘she’s using the dark’ angle. Luke explicitly says “You went straight to the dark” in TLJ

This is great, and thanks for the reminder of Luke’s line here.

Personally, I’d supplement this with someone else’s idea to have her kill her own parents accidentally.

Wow. This is quite outstanding. I’m going to have to seriously consider this approach.

OutboundFlight said:

What about making Rey a Jedi to begin with? It’s rough, but suppose Rey is an exile after the destruction of the temple. It would explain Kylo’s concern of a girl on Jakku helping her, and avoid repeating Luke’s becoming a Jedi arc.

To do so, you’d have to cut all the references to Rey not knowing why she’s so strong in the force. Then you really just need one line - Kylo in a mask would be easiest to replicate - telling Hux or Snoke “a former student of Skywalker, turned exile. Unrefined, but powerful” kabam Rey’s power solved without any complicated lore.

And while writing this I realized it accomplishes the following:

—-Gives Rey a stronger reason to be so secretive of her past and reject the call to the Jedi, because of her bad childhood memories.
—-Makes Luke’s struggle to rebuild the Jedi meaningful because without it Rey, like it or not the ultimate hero of the saga, was brought up by him. So Luke plays a vital role in the final victory.
—-Makes Luke Rey’s father figure who took her in after her real parents (who she presumes are important in TLJ) sold her for drinking money. So that’s why she chooses the name Skywalker (right now it’s Organa she has more connection with).

RogueLeader said:
She could hear [Force-ghosts] calling her to Anakin’s lightsaber (maybe even hearing Anakin’s voice specifically whispering “Rey…”).

To paraphrase Vader: “Intriguing. Most intriguing.” I was all set to just cut that scene altogether. What about giving Rey a rapid series of images/vision fragments associated with that saber, and then cut the scene to the F.O. attack outside the fortress?

If this could be tied to the premonitions of “Dark Rey,” then it would thematically imply that Rey and Ben are dealing with the same temptation. Indeed, the above “vision fragments” could include a glimpse of Kylo reaching out his hand to her.

Very well done, especially the first part.

On the second, my own approach would be to have Kylo again experience that vision, but cutting Vader’s head off coincided with his rejection of the dark side at “Endor” (😉).

Cameron Samurai said:

I recently found the Kylo vs Vader fanfilm. I think one editor a while back borrowed something from this for a Force Awakens edit, but I think it could be integrated into Rise of Skywalker fairly easily and be used to inform the audience of a lot of Kylo’s motivations. You could also push his journey to Exogal up to follow from it

Here’s what I came up with (password: fanedit)

Beginning

https://vimeo.com/407054789

Ending

https://vimeo.com/407074114

idir_hh said:
Frankly I think that if Rey was a well written character nobody would be talking about identity politics.

Here, here!! 👏