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Originally posted by: ricarleite
For reasons too complicated to explain I cannot open that url right now, and I am not familiar with sound technicalaties (I know what sounds good and what dosent), so I'd like someone to explain me what exactly happened to the soundtrack... How was it butchered?


The surround speakers play the wrong channels. Each speaker has its own seperate sounds that it is supposed to be playing in a 5.1 setup. The music soundtrack is no different. The soundtrack has a front left, front right, rear left, and rear right (and possibly a center) channel. Usually the sounds played in the front right and rear right channels are similar and complement each other regarding the soundtrack, and the same for the front left and rear left channels.

Basically, the sounds in the speakers, with a cheesy and not-quite accurate representation would be like this:

1 2

2 1

instead of being like this, like they should be:

1 2

1 2

So the music is going to sound funky, messed up, not integrated well, and somewhat jarring. It isn't going to sound smooth and soaring. Things aren't going to mesh well.

Most people would probably never notice, quite honestly. But a lot of us probably would. Its a majer, grade A level fuck-up.
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Lucas was probably just unhappy with the old 1977 audio and wanted to attempt to spruce it up by fucking with the channels. lmfao
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Oh I see... Well, I think I'll be able to notice it, I don't know much about the technical aspects of sound and sound recording, but I have a very good ear and I usually notice minor changes on things I have listened several times, or stuff like hiss noise and mixing problems - althought I am getting deaf, I can't hear it loudly as I used to.
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Let me say this simply. Read my lips....

Lucasfilm is the biggest bunch of liars.

Neil

Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.

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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
Lucas was probably just unhappy with the old 1977 audio and wanted to attempt to spruce it up by fucking with the channels. lmfao


lol
we should switch them up....
that would make it sound really confusing and therefore cool..

what a bunch of shitheads...
i hope this costs Lucas millions
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Ugh, it sounds bad. During the opening crawl and the opening score, my living room sounds tilted. It is bad, bad, bad. Horrible, even. I haven't watched the whole thing, have to be to work soon. But wow, is that jarring. Not good.
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Got my boxset and I can full concur that the findings are true, and this is very embarrassing on behalf of Lucasfilm and Fox, to allow such a thing to occur with literally the most anticipated DVD release.

To make it brief for the uninitiated, it appears that during the sound reconstruction stage which they said they were doing with at least EP IV, I would say that some of the sounds of that Tarkin scene must have been either destroyed or too far gone, or they just plain forogot to replace the entire former soundtrack, with the the new one they rebuilt from the original sounds and ADR. It is easy to pick it out by noticing the change in audio quality when the camera shot changes from close up behind Tarkin to head/shoulders side shot of Tarkin and Leia. Really, really stands out.



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Well, I mean, if this happened because of audio tracks missing or lost, then there's nothing one could do... Remember when "its a mad mad mad mad world" was released with the lost trims? The audio and video quality suddenly "jumped" from perfect to horrible several times in the movie, same thing here.

BTW, does the 1997 version has the same audio problems? If not, would it kill them to use the 1997 version audio?
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Neil S. Bulk - do you if there are any problems with the newly released John Williams' Star Wars Trilogy on CD?

Just hoping that they havn't butchered this - as well as the dvds too...


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I've just called a friend, he has bought the DVDs, he'll come to my place later, I'll plug in my stereo on my dvd player and I'll TRY to have it in a 5.1 configuration (my stereo has 4 loudspeakers plus subwoofer), althought I have no idea how to do it, and I'll try to listen to it carefully so I can notice all the problems with the audio, I should be able to notice it...
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From what I've heard, there is one possible solution to John Williams' missing score - right after Red Leader says, "This is it!" you should switch to the French language track. There's no problem with the music on that one because Lucas made a different "creative decision" for the French.
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By the way, I'd like to play around with the audio track and see if I can improve it, but none of my tools support 5.1 channel sound. MPlayer downmixes to 2.0, and Cool Edit Pro 2.0 downmixes to mono (!), and Audacity chokes and dies, anyone know of any tools for this? XD;

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Well, well, well. This looks like this is really going to suck. I have to wait until I get home to check this out. However, since I don't have surround sound I doubt that I'll be able to hear what it is that everyone is talking about.

Also I just love the Lucasfilm blanket denial statements on this issue. What a crock!
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i bet all those who actually bought this set are real happy with the money they spent....

lol
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Am I the only one that hears these directional pan problems throughout the whole of ANH? It's just a little more noticeable in the scene with Tarkin talking to Leia. In fact, it seems to me that the only time it sounds like they actually knew what they were doing was the locking of s-foils into attack position.
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Originally posted by: rennervision
From what I've heard, there is one possible solution to John Williams' missing score - right after Red Leader says, "This is it!" you should switch to the French language track. There's no problem with the music on that one because Lucas made a different "creative decision" for the French.

Bill Hunt has screwed up his report. Why am I not surprised. He still hasn't even given me credit for my findings. The actual line of dialogue is not "This is it!" but instead, "I'm going to cut across the axis and try and draw their fire!". That's where the music is dialled out, after that line!

Neil

Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.

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This is truly disconcerting. I had just forced myself to accept the changes for the DVDs. I was almost settled into a stupor of "this is how its going to be, so get used to it." But all my effort is in vain. Not only do I have to watch rediculous versions of the movies I love, but they have glaring faults that are not even excusable by the "artistic...blah blah" bullcrap.

Lucas....you bastard.

P.S. I dont have 5.1 for my main dvd player, but when I watch the films on my computer this problem seems very obvious, and I am completely uninformed when it comes to this kind of stuff. I mean, its not even a matter of comparing it to the older versions. Its just flat out obviously bad.
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"and wanted to attempt to spruce it up by fucking with the channels. lmfao"

LOL. I guess the technology to fuck up the soundtrack just didn't exist in 1975. Thank God for discreet channels.

BTW, anyone else notice that Obi-wan's "as if a thousand voices cried out...." line is missing?

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"and wanted to attempt to spruce it up by fucking with the channels. lmfao"

LOL. I guess the technology to fuck up the soundtrack just didn't exist in 1975. Thank God for discreet channels.

BTW, anyone else notice that Obi-wan's "as if a thousand voices cried out...." line is missing?



Wow. How much of that line is missing? Man. Lucasfilm quality control really sucks. They will probably make some sort of excuse if that is brought to their attention like, "Oh, we felt that line didn't make any sense and the people wouldn't be able to understand. BTW. Keep buying the DVD's. Surrender your wallet to the Dark Side."

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P.S. I dont have 5.1 for my main dvd player, but when I watch the films on my computer this problem seems very obvious, and I am completely uninformed when it comes to this kind of stuff. I mean, its not even a matter of comparing it to the older versions. Its just flat out obviously bad.


Oh yeah, it really is horrible. And then there's the new Krayt Dragon sound. Just what in the fuck was that?
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
BTW, anyone else notice that Obi-wan's "as if a thousand voices cried out...." line is missing?

That line is still present.

Neil

Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.

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mine still has that line too
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OK, I've seen both A NEW HOPE and the main feature in the special features DVD last night, me and a friend (I was awake until 1 in the morning last night, and I woke up 5 hours later, I'm so sleepy and tired...), and here are my notes on it:

I've paid some, extra, extra attention to the audio and video, to see if I could notice any of the problems reported. First of all, is it me, or the STAR WARS logo and introduction text was going too fast, a few frames faster than usual? And I COULD hear something weird with the soundtrack, but I couldn't point my finger on what was it, I could SENSE there was something wrong.

New Jabba: ok, he looks a little bit better, but still... He looks angrier than the 1997 one, that one was almost scared of Solo, and looked sad... This one is meaner, more Jabba like. The shadows Solo casts over Jabba looked VERY fake though.

Video: It looked great, but I could feel some brightness problems during the first scene of the droids in tatooine.

Audio problems: Yes, there were audio problems during the grand moff tarkin line "than name the system". I could sense there were audio problems with the dialogue between Leia and Solo aboard the milenium falcon, just after they escape the death star. Can anyone confirm that?

Editing?: Is it me, or was the death star battle re-edited? Just after Vader's line "Close formation", it cuts to a different scene! Can anyone confirm that, or I have become paranoid and insane?

The brazillian, region 4 edition: I didn't turn on the subtitles, so I don't know if there were any mistakes, I belive not. The special features and comentaries feature subtitles, so SW fans around the world who do not speak english (75% of them) will be pleased. The portuguese dubbing is the one for the 1997 version, edited/speeded to synch the DVD and the new SFX - I'm glad they kept the 1997 version, it sounded good and the actors did a terrific job. If you chose any other language than portuguese (the brazillian version came with spanish and portuguese languages), than the opening crawl text was in its language (how did they do that without creating a new copy of the film on the disc?!)

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BTW, anyone else notice that Obi-wan's "as if a thousand voices cried out...." line is missing?

Nope, it's there, at least in the region 4 version.


The special feature: I didn't like it so much (I've seen only the main documentary), it felt too much like VH1 behind the music... It was amusing to hear David Prowse delivering Vader's lines - I would also like to see more behind the scenes footage, and probably an old interview with Alec Guiness (or maybe footage of him ripping and burning fan letters).
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
is it me, or the STAR WARS logo and introduction text was going too fast, a few frames faster than usual?

The crawl seems okay to me, but the title card "Star Wars" does move faster. It was that way in 1997 as well.

Neil

Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.