REY NOBODY - A Collaborative Thread — Page 9

CaptainFaraday said:

Awesome document! It’s way less dialogue edits than I thought it would be.

For the last one, I had an idea, but your mileage may vary on how it would alter the scene in a practical editing sense. Have Palpatine say, “But the only family you have here…” and then he opens the roof to show all the Resistance losing the battle. He later refers to them as her family too, unless I’m misremembering it, so it would lean into the “found family” theme of the movie to make the villain derisive towards it.

I like this idea. Anything where we can retain the most dialogue as possible. While maybe that approach isn’t the necessarily the best, if we remove too much dialogue it might come off as noticeably edited.

I like trying to find some way to include that exchange. That’s where something like “you have no one here” comes in, although when I tried it I wasn’t crazy about it. Maybe if there’s a line to follow up “but the only family you have here” with something like “will soon be dead.” I worry that the cut off and door opening might not work, although I’d be curious to see it in action.

What about “The only family you have…” door opens “Is here.”

It could almost be really ominous if done right.

DominicCobb said:

Octorox said:

Now that Ascendant V2 is out, I made a Google Doc with what are think are the minimum dialogue changes needed to sell Rey Nobody. Most of these changed were inspired by (or copied from) DominicCobb’s workprint: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cPqS3MOUOwC-t1xQu4rbxbzq4laJ996bjQDPIViOmUI/edit?usp=sharing

I’d like to put together a workprint myself with these changes, I just need to figure out a lossless audio workflow.

Have you cobbled together Kylo saying “but you aren’t”? That’s an interesting idea.

It’s not exactly that, but I’ve tried cobbling something together through sentence mixing. I don’t think it quite sounds right but maybe someone better with audio could take a stab at it. Could this be a good use case for AI?https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RkCrYS16oduwY3fCLmUbkxXAKzjgLhAV/view?usp=sharing

Any progress?

What is left to do for the Nobody version?

Please don’t let this version die! All these ideas sound great!

So, here’s something interesting that may or may not work better with the potential Rey Nobody version: BBGhost has worked on a version of the “Be With Me” scene that gets rid of the Jedi Voices for his all-in-one edit. With this, some additional editing could be done to make it so Rey see/hears things from HER past/the people she loves rather than the Ghosts of the Jedi Order. In that way, she uses her own strength or whatever to get up and defeat Palpatine rather than relying on Force Voices/Ghosts.

Of course, I’m not saying this should fully be the way to go for this edit. I love the Voices/Ghosts and I know a lot of people have spent a lot of time and effort getting them right. But, I do like that the option is out there for potential editors.

Good shout out! I was going to actually comment on your work, bbghost! It definitely gives the scene a different feeling without the voices, doesn’t it? Like Sasquatch said, seeing the ghosts in Ascendant is a really cool payoff that helps imply that their intervention might ensure Palpatine DEFINITELY won’t come back again, but I do think this also fits well with the whole premise of a Rey Nobody edit. Whether Rey sees/heard her new family instead of the Jedi, she hears new Jedi voices that encourage her differently, or maybe she hears nothing, something like that could play really well I think.

I was also going to mention that I think I’ve thought of a way to handle the Force bond duel scene in a way that Rey’s parents aren’t brought up at all. I was stuck for so long because I was attached to keep the pacing as close to the theatrical as possible, but looking back at how Dom did it in his work print, I think you could do the same thing, but replace the one or two lines (and one quick vision) of Rey’s parents with the ominous future Exegol battle.

RogueLeader said:

I was also going to mention that I think I’ve thought of a way to handle the Force bond duel scene in a way that Rey’s parents aren’t brought up at all. I was stuck for so long because I was attached to keep the pacing as close to the theatrical as possible, but looking back at how Dom did it in his work print, I think you could do the same thing, but replace the one or two lines (and one quick vision) of Rey’s parents with the ominous future Exegol battle.

Ooh… Man, I feel like things are coming together for this!

Ah, it feels like Christmas 😊 Everything here is developing exactly how I imagine it!

I’m actually in the process of incorporating the changes listed here (by RougeLeader and octorox) into my edit. That works quite well, but it feels like Rey’s agenda seem a bit thin.
So my idea was to base her motivation more around her identity crisis. RL’s idea for the Force Bond duel would actually be such a move: Kylo pouring gas on the fire that is her inner conflict (her fear of losing her friends/family, fear of her feelings, fear of her dark visions). Kylo fuels these fears, which he is familiar with (because he sees into her).

What I personally think should also be important is that Kylo’s agenda is not neglected: What is his motivation for this? I feel that Rey and Kylo’s character arcs and development mesh directly. For me, the “dyad” is the symbiosis between the two: where doubts grow in Rey, doubts also grow in Kylo; her pull to the dark, his pull to the light.

I’m looking forward to whatever you cook together, RougeLeader! You are the man!

RogueLeader said:
I was also going to mention that I think I’ve thought of a way to handle the Force bond duel scene in a way that Rey’s parents aren’t brought up at all. I was stuck for so long because I was attached to keep the pacing as close to the theatrical as possible, but looking back at how Dom did it in his work print, I think you could do the same thing, but replace the one or two lines (and one quick vision) of Rey’s parents with the ominous future Exegol battle.

I’d be interested in seeing this, but imo the reveal that Palpatine had Rey’s parents killed is kind of necessary for the plot to hang together. Anything that reduces the retcon of Rey’s parents being angels is worthwhile in my book though.

Yes, you do have to cut a few things to remove the connections between Rey and Ochi’s ship and dagger, but I think Rey can be equally motivated to kill Palpatine if he is just a threat to her friends.

I just got caught up on this thread, there’s some incredible work going on.

I’ve been trying to figure out how to do a Rey Nobody edit, but also have Leia die at the beginning of the film to remove the awkward/macabre digital Carrie Fisher scenes and add some weight to the beginning of the film.

I think the best course of action, given the clips I’ve seen, is to stick with the “Palpatine wants you to kill him and take the throne” angle. I think focusing on the darkness building in Rey and the light building in Ben is the most thematically interesting version of the story, and opens up a lot of possibilities. I also think that to reinforce that, it would be interesting to re-edit the Death Star fight so that Ben doesn’t hesitate killing Rey because of Leia’s intervention, but because the pull of the light stops him from doing it. Then Rey gives into the dark and stabs Kylo. Drama ensues.

Anyway, I will probably make a separate post about my Rey Nobody/No Leia ideas, but I’m really glad I found this thread, and I look forward to seeing what you all come up with.

bbghost said:

Thanks for the shoutout, BS. I’d be happy to provide the separate audio layers (music, “force” sfx, breathing) if anyone would like want to use it as a basis for their own edit once it’s fully done:

https://vimeo.com/549085645

Yeah this actually works surprisingly well. I think there’s a scene in DOTF where the Force sort of connects all the present day heroes? It was an idea I had thought about way back when, if instead of her hearing the voices of all the Jedi, she hears the voices of her friends, and that’s what gave her the strength. Completely forgot about that. Would be interested to see how it could be accomplished!

DominicCobb said:

bbghost said:

Thanks for the shoutout, BS. I’d be happy to provide the separate audio layers (music, “force” sfx, breathing) if anyone would like want to use it as a basis for their own edit once it’s fully done:

https://vimeo.com/549085645

Yeah this actually works surprisingly well. I think there’s a scene in DOTF where the Force sort of connects all the present day heroes? It was an idea I had thought about way back when, if instead of her hearing the voices of all the Jedi, she hears the voices of her friends, and that’s what gave her the strength. Completely forgot about that. Would be interested to see how it could be accomplished!

Since they were half heartedly pushing the Rey/Finn force connection, could it just be his voice that’s encouraging her to get up? That would sort of pay off that random story thread they didn’t do anything with.

bbghost said:

SpenceEdit said:

DominicCobb said:

bbghost said:

Thanks for the shoutout, BS. I’d be happy to provide the separate audio layers (music, “force” sfx, breathing) if anyone would like want to use it as a basis for their own edit once it’s fully done:

https://vimeo.com/549085645

Yeah this actually works surprisingly well. I think there’s a scene in DOTF where the Force sort of connects all the present day heroes? It was an idea I had thought about way back when, if instead of her hearing the voices of all the Jedi, she hears the voices of her friends, and that’s what gave her the strength. Completely forgot about that. Would be interested to see how it could be accomplished!

Since they were half heartedly pushing the Rey/Finn force connection, could it just be his voice that’s encouraging her to get up? That would sort of pay off that random story thread they didn’t do anything with.

I feel like it would take more than half an ass’s set up to make that feel earned by the end of a film. I can’t think of any accompanying Finn footage that would work especially well either. But audio maybe? IDK. There’s a lot you can do there, as is my intention in creating the blank slate of the scene for people.

Yeah I’m sure there’s not much that could be done with it, I just hate that it’s such a waste of an interesting concept.

I posted this on other threads, so sorry if it sounds like spamming. This site creates AI generated voices, and one of them is from Adam Driver. Maybe it could help creating one or two voice lines for this version of the Rey Nobody edit:

https://fakeyou.com/?vocodes=1

Okay I have had way too much fun with that thing. It belongs in the Worst Edit Ideas thread because there is so much you can do with it but probably shouldn’t. Thank you for posting it.