Besides, Star Trek already has space wizards and magic (from a certain point of view).
Gods for some, miniature libertarian socialist flags for others.
• 'Gary Kurtz - on the Star Wars Special Edition’ youtube video, - by gordongecko1975
• 'Gary Kurtz - on Return of the Jedi’ youtube video, - by gordongecko1975Now i feel honored that my youtube uploads contributed to this awesome thread. 😃 A truly intricate collection of sources oojason! Great work.
^ Ha! Brilliant mate 😃 I’d no idea of that - though am really pleased to find more of the sources used for this are from members of our own community ❤️
And many thanks everyone for all the kind words - they are very much appreciated ✊
In the past few days my youtube uploads recieved an unusual high number of new comments coming in. Does anyone know, if both videos got newly linked or mentioned somewhere in a Star Wars discussion board or a recent movie podcast?
Rogue One is redundant. Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES.
The hallmark of a corrupt leader: Being surrounded by yes men.
‘The best visual effects in the world will not compensate for a story told badly.’ - V.E.S.
‘Star Wars is a buffet, enjoy the stuff you want, and leave the rest.’ - SilverWook
Lately, James Cameron is getting to be just as bad and we’ll need 4K fan restorations of his movies too… This sort of revisionism is becoming all too common in the digital age. We’re going to need despecialized-style fan restorations of those too 😦….
“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”
Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death
Even David Fincher has made weird and pointless changes to the re-release of Seven. I guess this OCD stuff gets worse with age.
George saying the reaction to cgi was ridiculous, everything on film is fake.
Does not answer the point how much better used universe looked in the original trilogy and verisimilitude over shiny cgi in the prequel.
I feel like he started to do this quite a bit to the point its almost downright dishonest, like over Greedo shooting first, how Jabba was always going to be a Slug Gangster in Star Wars, how Vader was always the father and Leia the sister. How the original is an oxymoron. And now it looks bad because it’s a laserdisc.
I feel as though he mythologized more as time went on and the further away he got from Return of the Jedi’s release, he just started making things up. And even after selling to Disney making stuff up about how the Saga was always the Saga of the Son, and the Father and the grandchildren.
From the interview he gave in From Star Wars to Jedi to the one in the Definitive collection bonus and Leonard Maltin interview he had a long-time to create this idea of having it all mapped out.
I don’t think it’s all elaborate conspiracy to withhold the originals, or some evil plot. But he does like to tell tales.
The pre 77 stuff and 77 stuff George Lucas seems to be on the level it’s when he decided to make Vader Luke’s father, Lucas started mythologizing the Star Wars origins.
Of the prerelease and post release interview material Charley Lippincott took those are the most revealing and truthful about the film.
Recent George soundbite where he says why Yoda talks that way.
"He was basically the philosopher of the movie, so he was talking about all the things. I had to figure out a way to get people to actually listen, especially 12 year olds.”
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/yoda-speak-george-lucas-explains-1235326334/
However, just a few years earlier Frank Oz said it was his own idea based on one line in the script:
“It’s funny you ask about that because I was just looking at the original script of The Empire Strikes Back the other day and there was a bit of that odd syntax in it, but also it had Yoda speaking very colloquially. So I said to George ‘Can I do the whole thing like this?’ And he said: ‘Sure!’ It just felt so right.”
Oz might’ve helped on set no doubt, but the bulk of the dialogue and Yoda speaking that way comes from Lucas and Kasdan mainly.
Recent George soundbite where he says why Yoda talks that way.
"He was basically the philosopher of the movie, so he was talking about all the things. I had to figure out a way to get people to actually listen, especially 12 year olds.”
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/yoda-speak-george-lucas-explains-1235326334/
However, just a few years earlier Frank Oz said it was his own idea based on one line in the script:
“It’s funny you ask about that because I was just looking at the original script of The Empire Strikes Back the other day and there was a bit of that odd syntax in it, but also it had Yoda speaking very colloquially. So I said to George ‘Can I do the whole thing like this?’ And he said: ‘Sure!’ It just felt so right.”
Yeah, it was Frank Oz who came up with the idea of Yoda speaking in the manner he does throughout the film - based off that line from in the script. Frank then suggested to George that he do the whole role of Yoda like that - and George agreed.
George is, once again, being disingenuous (or an ‘unreliable narrator’ again… you’re shocked, right?! 😉).
There’s a good 2018 interview with Frank Oz on the subject, here:-
Frank Oz on the Challenges of Bringing Yoda to Life (Part 1) - circa 6 minutes and 45 seconds in (though the whole thing is well worth a watch, giving insights on the importance of the characterisation by the performer as well as the voice - and Part 2 of the video), as well.
Plus this 40 second clip of Frank Oz’ informative explanation: www.tiktok.com/@starlordziggy/video/7459962004242140462
Edit (found it): At 30m 35s into this 2013 interview with Frank Oz: www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BN-l4r2eIA (the whole interview is very much worth a watch discussing many aspects of Fran Oz’ life and work):-
Frank Oz: "He [George] wants me to bring alive the character that he and Larry Kasdan wrote - that’s what he wants. He wants something that transcends what’s on the paper. He doesn’t want a voice. He doesn’t know what he wants at that point because it has never been done, first of all.
Interviewer: Who invents the Yoda language? Who invented the language?
Fran Oz: Larry and George wrote the language, but they didn’t see it through all the way, and I asked George if I could really hone in on the language and he said ‘yeah’… so I made it very specific… and carried their idea throughout. But this voice thing is very… it’s a red herring, not for you, for everybody, because by the way, George Lucas didn’t want my voice in the beginning. I gave him a tape. He said ‘no, thank you’. (interview continues on)
^ That’s not to take anything away from the likes of Kasdan, George, Kershner, Peter Suschitzky, Stuart Freeborn and his team, Jim Henson’s input, the Yoda puppeteering team, stage crew, and also Mark Hamill (whose performance helps sell Yoda, greatly).
And I think it is mentioned in Alan Arnold’s superb 1980 book 'Once upon a Galaxy: A Journal of the Making of the Empire Strikes Back’ - though I’m not 100% on that, I’ll look it up later (I don’t have it to hand). It was in JW Rinzler’s ‘The Making Of Empire Strikes Back’ book (which references Alan Arnold’s book & tapes numerous times), on Page 244:-
I think where some people may get confused is they saw George’s quote from the same above book by JW Rinzler (on Page 44)…
… where George says he “started Yoda’s backwards style” and then take it as verbatim; when if fact there is much more to Yoda speaking in the manner he does throughout the film… as Frank Oz himself has consistently stated in numerous sources over the years (with a few examples given above and below).
As an aside…
Yodaspeak: A Study In Yoda’s Speaking Patterns and Their Frequency in the Star Wars Movies - 2011 thread
Yoda-Speak: A Study of Yoda’s Speaking Patterns and Their Frequencies - some guy’s Secret History of Star Wars article
Frank Oz Recalls Origin of Yoda’s Speaking Style For Empire Strikes Back - 2021 ScreenRant article
Frank Oz On How Yoda Speaks (Star Wars Weekends 2015) - 90 second youtube video from of Mice and Ducks.
Frank Oz talks about life as Yoda - 2005 Gamesville article
Frank Oz - George Lucas rejected his voice for Yoda - 30 second video clip of a 2013 Frank Oz interview.
Star Wars’ Dave Filoni Explains Why Yoda & Yaddle Talk Differently - 2022 ScreenRant article (with Dave Filoni quotes):-
“Does she speak backwards? I’m like, ‘No, I don’t think so. I think that’s a Yoda thing’. Frank Oz told me once that Yoda speaks that way specifically in honor of his own master. That was what he had thought about it.”
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Sorry, but that paints the wrong picture.
Yoda was always going to talk funny but Lucas struggled with the proper syntax of how exactly he should talk. He never stopped struggling and it’s easy to see how even in prequel dialogue he didn’t have it quite as figured out. Kasdan helped a ton and we got to the final version, and of course Oz and Kersh on set added the final touches to be as good as it was but Yoda was always going to talk funny.
This thread loses much of its point when it’s just shamelessly biased.
I’ve only posted one interview to contrast it with another, so if there’s more info feel free to add it. You said the same thing twice without a source, I’d like to read it.
J. W. Rinzler’s excellent The Making of Empire Strikes Back (2010). I have the eBook edition, to me it’s easily the best BTS anything from the OT and pretty much tells the definitive story. I forget the page - somewhat early into the book - around the time of the story development (pre-script), Lucas’ initial ideas for then Minch Yoda and how the name was meant to be eastern sounding, and how he wanted him to speak incredibly strangely, so it would stick out. He was attempting to make the character interesting and not Obi-Wan 2.0, and to make what can be boring mystical dialogue more memorable. I can check the actual page later and tell you, if you’d like, but if you have the book as well I think it would be easy to find! 😃
This thread loses much of its point when it’s just shamelessly biased.
This thread is rife with this stuff lol
I can’t find a copy online but it’s possible another member has a screenshot.
This thread loses much of its point when it’s just shamelessly biased.
This thread is rife with this stuff lol
I think that’s stating the obvious. Unfortunately there’s no alternative topic titled George Lucas: Star Wars Creator, One True Omniscient Genius…
Not yet…
I can’t find a copy online but it’s possible another member has a screenshot.
This thread loses much of its point when it’s just shamelessly biased.
This thread is rife with this stuff lol
I think that’s stating the obvious. Unfortunately there’s no alternative topic titled George Lucas: Star Wars Creator, One True Omniscient Genius…
Have you tried looking over at TFN…? 😉
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Oh I bet they love us over there.