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Wow. It begins is correct. this movie was incredible, it blew my socks off, and put the creators of all the other batman movies to shame. its not often i say this, but this movie was flawless. from they way batman looked, to the persona of Bruce Wayn, the movie put it off. The explenations of things were great. batman wearing advanced battle armor and his car being a real tank were expectionally well done.

From start to finish this movie never lets your attention go, they provide and exillent back story and despite the large majority of the movie being character development it was a thrill from start to finish.

i give this one
A+, 99%, 5/5 stars, 4/4 stars, 2 thumbs way up

the movie leaves you wanting more and more and they are sure to come.
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Two words: Kick ass.
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i'm willing to put it up there with spiderman 2, ill need to see it a couple time for i am sure but i think it was infact better then spiderman 2, making it the best comic book movie ever.
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The most enjoyable film I've seen for a long time - easily the best Batman film so far - the acting, story, dialogue, direction, pace and feel were all superb - and I hope they do a sequel up to the standard of this one.

Was surprisd by how many famous faces they got for this, and well they ALL did. Will be eagerly awaiting this for dvd.


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Batman & Robin still is the best. LMAO
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*** SPOILERS AHEAD ***

Well, I didn't like it. Maybe it's because I've always had Tim Buryon's Gothan city in my mind, with it's bleak, gothic visual and it's Prince-related soundtrack. The 1989 Batman IS the best Batman film, and "Begins" dosen't get any close to that.

Batman is onscreen for what, 10 to 15 minutes?

The only interesting character, the scarecrow, which looked like the best and most well-constructed Batman villain since Jack Nicholson's Joker simply vanishes without making an impact. And his "death" (he didn't die, did he) was absolutely ridiculous, a shock gun? What was that all about?

Michael Cane, Morgan Freeman and Liam Neeson are on "Automatic Pilot I Need the Money" acting style, so...

Too much time is spent on Bruce Wayne's conflictive character (is he an asshole or a good guy? can't tell...), showing him buying hotels with personal checks and ridiculously fearing bats, and the whole villanously plot is shown in a fast, confusing way.

The whole plot twist about Liam being Ra's al whatever is predictable and not enough to give the character any depth. It's basically Liam Neeson character from "Kingdom of Heavan" with a Flash Gordon villain mentality.


I know this movie is not related to Burton's or Schumacker's movies, but here's how I would rank them (1 is better)

1- Batman (1989)
2- Batman Returns
3- Batman Begins


50- Batman Forever


99999- Batman & Robin
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
By far the best DC comic movie ever made! Awesome!


best Batman movie? perhaps but I kinda think it tied with the 1989 Batman (sorry you didn't like it, Ric)

But the best DC comic movie ever made is by far and bar none: Superman starring Christopher Reeve.

Oh Ric I can understand thinking that Batman(1989) is better than Batman begins, but how can you possible think that
Batman Returns is a better movie than Batman Begins? Batman Returns is imho a terribler movie.
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Ric, I'm not sure you got that. The whole POINT of this movie is to show why a Billionaire would don a bat cowl and fight crime. It was supposed to be psycological. And his buying the hotel was supposed to show him pretending to be a billionare playboy to take suspicion away from him being The Batman.

Also, this is the only of the five post-Crisis Batman films that focused on Batman more than the villains, which is one of the biggest gripes with the original. The only things I didn't like about Begins were all the flashbacks (I wish it would have told it more linear) and the fact that the BatSuit didn't have the yellow oval on the chest.

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I actually like the fact that there was no yellow oval on the chest. It looks more like the original bat suit that way.
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It still would have been nice if he had worn grey spandex.
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yeah or at least a gray suit with a dark yellow belt. I personally like the "Back to Basics" outfit from the No Man's Land story.
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i forgot aobut hte yellow ovel, oh well i still thought it was great, and the best dipiction of batman.
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I don't understand what you guys saw in that movie! Yes Batman Returns is kinda crappy, but it's better than Begins - which is way better than both Schumacker's. I just thought it was a mediocre/bad film... Not that well written, confusing - feels like there's 1 hour of plot cut from the film - with not-so-great acting, unnecessary and badly written comedy bits ("nice coat"), BAD character development... It's a huge mess... But oh well, I'm glad you guys enjoyed it. I didn't. The batman series died in 1995.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
I don't understand what you guys saw in that movie! Yes Batman Returns is kinda crappy, but it's better than Begins - which is way better than both Schumacker's. I just thought it was a mediocre/bad film... Not that well written, confusing - feels like there's 1 hour of plot cut from the film - with not-so-great acting, unnecessary and badly written comedy bits ("nice coat"), BAD character development... It's a huge mess... But oh well, I'm glad you guys enjoyed it. I didn't. The batman series died in 1995.


All that is right, except for everything negative you said about Batman Begins.

And the reason I wanted to see the oval was because since this film is supposed to be "Batman made practical" and the yellow oval was designed to attract bullet fire to his chest where the armor was the strongest.

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its great how they portrayed the whole thing. I liked the movie because it had some a realism to it compared to all the other movies. also the idea that there where really 3 villains in the movie the moster, abdule guy and the scare crow really added something to it. also it really did feel like a begining. the movie set up so much stuff bruce wayns character is solidly adressed, why he's becomes batman and his evolution to the final product are amazing. i liked this movie so much because i look at it and see the begining of a trilogy, anf that was one damn good movie to lay a foundation for the ones to follow.

also the made bat man human in a way, he has huge bruses and all of his stuff is beleiveable the bat moble is a tank rather then some hotrod with lights, i love that. I'll be the bat mobile from the first one is still the best. but also the whole idea of batman being trained as a ninja it add so much cause we know now how strong and fast her really is. before it was allways like hes batman he can do anything, when really he is just a regular human being with no super powers.

as for complaining about the cheesy lines comon i have heard much worse in other movies. there were only a few in this one and all of them brought a smile to my face.
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"DO I LOOK LIKE A COP TO YOU!?"

That was great. Infact, the whole interogation scene was. Also, I wonder if that child who was with Rachel when she shot Scarecrow is going to turn into Grayson later on. (It would be a stretch, since he's awful young and has red hair.)

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***Minor spoilers***

Saw it on Saturday night. I need to to see it again to know how it holds up to repeat viewings, but overall, it's my new favorite Batman movie.

I watched Tim Burton's Batman not too long ago after not having seen it in years, and it wasn't as good as I remembered it being. Honestly, I think it's one of the most overrated superhero movies there is, often regarded as genius when it really doesn't deserve that kind of praise. Michael Keaton is physically unbelievable as Batman, the Gotham scenes look like studio sets rather than dirty city streets, and the Batmobile is all about flash and appearance. It's a natural extension of the Batman TV series with Tim Burton's dark wit mixed in.

Christian Bale makes a great Batman--young, handsome, and fit. Gotham looks like a real city close-up, but has a slightly surreal comic book quality when viewed during the long shots. And best of all, the Batmobile, which I thought looked silly when Warner Bros. first revealed the photos, proves itself to be a vehicle built with utility and durability in mind. You believe it's a serious fighting machine that can handle the punishment it's dealt. Batman Begins is a faithful adaptation of the comic book Batman and is much better for it.

The film did a great job of establishing Bruce Wayne's fear of bats and then linking it to his parents' murder. This new Batman spent his adolescence tormented by anger, guilt, and fear, and is about 30 seconds away from becoming a mere vigilante until fate steps in. He then goes on a journey of self-discovery, learning to draw power from his fear and using it to instill fear in others.

The film also makes the heroes and villains believable. Unlike other franchises, which contain characters blessed with otherworldly powers, the Batman universe is populated by a bunch of normal people brandishing crazy outfits and psychological disorders, so it takes some creativity to turn these otherwise normal people into superheroes and supervillains. The revelation of Scarecrow is genuinely disturbing (I heard many people around me gasping and groaning, including my fiancee), but in the end, he's just a psychiatrist with a burlap sack over his face, and the method of his defeat, while seemingly lame, is appropriate given his lack of true power.

It's easy to see why Liam Neeson got the role he did. He's evil Qui-Gonn. I didn't go in expecting him to be a badass, but he was. Michael Caine was great as Alfred; kind, understanding, witty, and intelligent. A true father figure and friend to Bruce. Gary Oldman portrays Gordon as a beaten-down cop overwhelmed by dirty associates, and he's funny (but not in a Stooge way) when thrust into the role of hero later in the film. Katie Holmes was okay as the assistant DA. I would've chosen someone with a bit more character and presence though. I don't see her inspiring the good element of Gotham to rally around her to fight corruption.

The acting was very naturalistic by all parties and I think the performances were excellent overall.

I thought most of the one-liners were pretty funny, many of them lending a nice tongue-in-cheek attitude toward occurrences that are often regarded as normal in superhero movies. This movie took itself seriously, but it revealed a lighter side when appropriate.

Batman Begins is successful for the same reason Superman: The Movie and Spider-Man 2 were successful: it's a movie about character building, which is what draws you in enough to care about all the fighting and explosions and such.

The special effects were extremely well done, and unlike some other movies we're all familiar with, CGI is used in a way that keeps it from drawing attention to itself. There were a couple moments that could've used a bit more polish, but overall, CGI was utilized intelligently.

I'm not sure if I'll be going to see it again though. It's on the launch list for HD-DVD, and since I'm sure to be an early adopter, I'll probably exercise some patience and wait until it's available in HD.

My Batman movie ranking:

1. Batman Begins
2. Batman
3. Batman Returns

I pretend Batman Forever and Batman and Robin never happened.
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I havent seen this yet, so i actually didnt read most of this thread. but i have one question. Does this movie work in line with the original Batman movie, essentially as a prequal to the '89 film.

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No, it is not related to the other movies, and works on a different timeline. Like, in Batman the Joker killed Bruce Wayne's parents, on Begins it's Chill (like in the comics)
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Yeah. Actually that's a good thing considering all the annoying continuity and campy features the old movie continuity had.

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What annoying continuity? Apart from the whole Robin thing and Jack Napier killing the Waynes? Besides, "Begins" is nto really faithful to the comics as well...


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The movie ended with an open possibility for a sequel, staring... the Joker. Hmn, I don't think anyone can play the Joker as good as Jack Nicholson did in "Batman", so I hope this was just a reference.
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What annoying continuity? Apart from the whole Robin thing and Jack Napier killing the Waynes? Besides, "Begins" is nto really faithful to the comics as well...


The originals had Harvey Dent played by Billy Dee Williams (a black guy), and then by Tommy Lee Jones (a white guy). You'd think that with these movies, where they know of sequel possibility, that they'd at least map out the basic plotlines of a few of them so you know which minor character flaws are going to come back and bite you in the ass.

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I thought it was interesting that they chose the Wayne family being killed after Bruce was scared at the Opera, but I'm sure it has a much better emotional effect than being happy and just returning through an alley after seeing a Zorro flick.
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