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Is that for the actress or for it being a Section 31 series, mate?

If both, then surely this is in order…

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Got to say I’ve always been intrigued by the idea of a Section 31 series - likely more so IF there was a time travel aspect to it (a chance to revisit characters from the previous series, certain events in the Trek timeline, and making it’s own way too etc).

I do like Michelle Yeoh as an actress and her Captain Georgiou, but…

SPOILERS

not so much with the character / her portrayal as the Empress from the Mirror Universe.

originaltrilogy.com Moderator

Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here?
And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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If that Section 31 show paves the way for a spin-off Pike show I’m down with it, but I have no faith for it to be any good with how current Trek’s going. A Section 31 show in the Berman era would’ve been a much more promising idea.

Anson Mount is the only saving grace of season 2 thus far - he gets it, even if the writers don’t, is my impression. And, yeah: the writers still don’t get it.

The season 2 pilot is marginally better than season 1 on a purely technical level just by virtue of haphazardly addressing some of the common criticisms and having the showrunners replaced in the later stages of development, as opposed to the early stage of season 1, but it still prefers overall dickishness, death and wanton destruction to meaninful drama or character development, and it still values explosions and macguffins over ideas - and the only difference from season 1 is they throw more jokes in this time around.

But Anson Mount really is great.

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I finally started Discovery this week and I’m nine episodes into the first season. I’ve got to say, I don’t get what all the hand-wringing is about. Sure, it’s got some tone issues, but show me the Trek other than TOS that wasn’t kind of wonky this early in its run (I’ve seen exactly none of Voyager or Enterprise, so if either of those are spectacular from the jump, I’m not aware). In any event, I am much more interested in continuing to follow this than I was at episode 9 of TNG, which is more than enough for me to continue to give it the benefit of the doubt for now. I’m really looking forward to catching up and seeing Pike’s Enterprise.

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Execution is the issue, not tone in itself. And the way fundamental issues with season 1 are mostly ignored while the window dressing is re-arranged a bit makes it fairly obvious season 2 will be more of the same. If the creators aren’t seeing the real problems that prevent the series from being the best (or just better) version of what it’s intended to be, they won’t be fixing them.

I don’t want to say more so that I don’t spoil it for you, but I truly wish I enjoyed this trainwreck…

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I’m sorry to say, that because of Discovery, I have serious misgivings about any upcoming official Trek shows be they about Section 31, Picard, or anything else.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Yeah, I’ve lost faith in the franchise. Especially in the hands of Kurtzman.

Help finish ROTJ: Revisited!

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Everything released after DS9 has disinterested me, but at least the crappy prequels/sequels/reboots haven’t ruined the past series/films I love for me (which is far more than can be said about Star Wars), so I can live with the present situation.

“I am a writer. Therefore, I am not sane.”

― Edgar Allan Poe

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Off topic, but for someone like me, who’s been a fan of Star Trek since birth, The Orville is a breath of fresh air. It takes me back to a Star Trek before what it is now (even though it’s not Star Trek).

YUB NUB!

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I’m surprised Yar’s backstory made it into TNG intact, what with the obnoxious “humanity’s perfect now” claptrap Roddenberry tried to sell during the show’s inception.

“I am a writer. Therefore, I am not sane.”

― Edgar Allan Poe

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Maybe the implication was the failed colony Tasha grew up in was not a part of the Federation proper? Yar’s rant in the trial scene in Encounter At Farpoint, (before getting the cold shoulder from Q) was a pro-Federation/Starfleet sentiment.

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Where were you in '77?

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Still, they were human.

“I am a writer. Therefore, I am not sane.”

― Edgar Allan Poe

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Episode 2 is a lot better in terms of trying to be Star Trek, though it does have that peculiar feeling about it as though they’re writing it this way, because they’re hoping it’ll stick and become second nature, not because they’re feeling it. If what I say makes sense.

Or maybe I’ve been burnt and they need to work twice as hard to make me like this show half as much as I would’ve otherwise. It was refreshing to see this kind of an episode considering what DSC had been like, honestly.

That said, the humour is insufferable, and I don’t know if I have the patience to give them another season to figure it out…

Tl;dr: better, though my expectations are low.

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TNG doesn’t say the Federation is a utopia. It says Earth is a utopia.

DS9 also had Sisko pointing out that Earth being utopian was a hinderance to Starfleet being able to understand the problems other societies, like the Maquis, face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crpUHa9_pJ0

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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I’m quite enjoying Season 2 of Discovery so far (it feels more ‘Trek-like’ this season - not that I didn’t enjoy Season 1 as an introduction) - though perhaps a big plus of that is that it’s on Netflix here in the UK - and not on an CBS additional pay channel. I’m not too sure what else CBS-Pay would have of interest for me to pay an additional monthly fee just to watch Disc (or a couple of other decent shows) on that channel.

‘Wives With Knives’, ‘Clergy Killers’ and repeats of Judge Judy just wouldn’t cut it 😉

I am wondering if we’ll see Sybok (or a reference to him) in Discovery soon…
 

originaltrilogy.com Moderator

Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here?
And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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Referencing Trek V? Discovery opened up a can of worms with that plotline. 😉

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Where were you in '77?

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They need to clean up after season 1 before they start making a new mess. Episode 2 was trekky, episode 3 is back to mopping up and is all the weaker for it… This what happens when you’re saddled with a bunch of mystery boxes as the foundation for your show, instead of an actual story arc. A retcon here, a handwave there, and season 3 should be semi-acceptable at this rate.

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Is anyone else getting the impression DSC got a lot less… sociopathic and more coherent all of a sudden? Basically for the last two episodes? A lof of the issues I had with it are still there, but it really feels as though they’re trying to pull this mess together. If it’s the change in people in charge I did not expect results to be immediate.

…unless the previous showrunners got kicked out before the announcement and someone else has already been rejigging the season for a good long while when the announcement took place? I’ll take my tinfoil hat off now.

Anyway, those last two episodes are much, much, much better. Colour me surprised (though this is still not exactly great Trek).

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‘Star Trek: Picard – Official Teaser Trailer’…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA-GJNebJj0
 

originaltrilogy.com Moderator

Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here?
And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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Pretty much.

The end of season 2 of Discovery… wasn’t a pretty sight.

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^ same here mate 😃

These video takedowns and pesky ‘this video is not available in your country’ messages are an irritance - it’s like they don’t want a lot of people to view the trailer for their upcoming program!

For those in the UK - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUGYXELKPTw

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Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here?
And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?