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A message to Jay in regards to DanielB

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This thread is being started in the hopes that concerned forum members can speak out against a tremendous problem that plagues these boards.

DanielB's history, and even his recent posts, make it extremely clear that he is incapable of communicating with people on a meaningful level.
"I do realise I have the ability to bring out the worst in people at times, and for that I truly am sorry. But please do not blame me for anything more than that."
Seems like he's well aware of the animosity he causes. What he does not realize is that this is the core of the problem. It is this behavior that routinely aggravates several other members on this board, with no end in sight. In addition to that, despite acknowledging to no personal experience with the techniques being used in these projects, he continues to treat even the professionals amongst us as misguided and misinformed.

The atmosphere on these boards has changed significantly. I know zion was very upset at the fighting that was occuring, and took a break from these boards because of it. Laserman is leaving us now, being fed up with the treatment he is receiving from an admitted video amature, and to be honest, the only reason I returned to these boards was because it seemed like DanielB had stopped posting here. Sadly, he has come back with a vengeance, and is back to his old tricks.

I realize everyone has an opinion, but it's sad to see one person terrorizing everyone whom he disagrees with, and attempting to drive off others whose projects offend him. I would argue that his moralizing and philosophizing have as little place on these boards as the projects which he consistently rails against. On top of that, I can't help but wonder if his opinion is shared by the very creator of this forum, who has seen fit to create it and to sticky the project posts, regardless of the nature of the project, for others to share in and enjoy. Who is DanielB to say which projects are and aren't to be here? That's very facetious of someone who claims we have no right to change the SW films in any way, because they belong to Lucas.

As to being facetious, let me save DanielB some typing: stop trying to make amends with me. Laughing at my jokes and calling me "mature and civil" are just too little, too late. This has nothing to do with holding a grudge. This has everything to do with knowing, based on your posting history, what kind of person you are, and knowing that I want nothing to do with you. A leopard cannot change his spots, and you know full well that your posts are distracting, annoying, and very myopic in regards to why other people come to these boards. perhaps you took my recent silence as an implicit truce, but I can assure you, it is not. I've simply been working behind the scenes to prevent people from goading you with their responses. Many of your initial responses in these threads make it clear that you are more than able to create flack on your own accord, and yet you want to paint everyone else as the bad guy after you deliberately ruffle their feathers. Unfortunately, my efforts to save these boards have failed, because you continue to rub people the wrong way, and then act dismissively about any problems you may have cause, or feelings you have hurt. Even the people who do agree with some of your beliefs cannot stand the manner in which you express them. It's no wonder no one on these boards supports you (and please, no wishful comments about the "silent" support you claim to have on these boards. I've not seen one person put themselves wholly in your camp, and for good reason. No one wants to be associated with you.)

It's quite clear that you desire attention, and that the majority of these projects offend you. Hopefully, you will find it in your heart to seek attention at another, more pleasing forum, because you have shown an inability to provide any positive encouragement or assistance beyond meaningless token gestures: "Hey, I bought his shirt.", or just parroting the advice given by others.

Folks, this is probably the last hope for this forum against a not-so-phantom menace. As much as I would hate to leave again, there's no point staying and watching DanielB trample over these boards like they were his stomping ground. Hopefully, if and when Jay sees this thread, he will either warn DanielB, tighten his leash, or at the very least, institute a much needed "ignore" function (excellent idea, ADM).

Make your feelings known to Jay here, and in time, I will contact him so he can see how fed up we are about such trolling. Do please try to keep it civil, but make one thing clear - we've had enough!

And DanielB, don't waste your time defending yourself in this thread. No one's going to buy it. The damage is done, and you've no one to blame but yourself. (Of course, if anyone else is willing to defend DanielB here, go right on ahead. I'm certainly interested in seeing if such a person exists.)

P.S. To those of you who are still interested in the X0 project, fear not. I won't leave you hanging. At the very least, if I have to leave, there will be updates in my thread, and I will contact you when the DVDs are done.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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[Just subscribing to this thread]

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Thank you mebejedi. I hope laserman comes back. Alot of the tectalk is above me but I sure enjoy reading the posts. I still want to help. so if you can email me with an address for donations for the project I would be greatful.

Troy

looking for HDTV of the  Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.  Also HDTV of The Lord of the Rings trilogy

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No problem, but that is for a different thread.

BTW, this is kind of funny, there is an "ignore user" function. I strongly recommend anyone who wants to keep their sanity to add DanielB to it right away.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I come here because of members such as zion, MBJ, Laserman, ADigitalMan, Moth3r, mverta, Rikter, ReverendBeastly, etc., etc. (sorry if I haven't named you personally -- there are a lot of great people here keeping a lot of great projects alive), and I think what happens here is friendly, collaborative, somewhat conspiratorial, and fun. I'd like to think that for the most part I contribute in some small way to that overall vibe. That's what I think most of us are aiming for, anyway.

I'm a big softie at heart. In general, I don't like to see anyone banned, or censored, or censured from someplace like this that's supposed to be fun and edifying. Sometimes it is the lone voice sticking up for an idea that makes it happen, and the masses can be wrong. But in this case I have to agree with MBJ that DanB does not do much for the greater good with his posts. I'd like to think (even now) that he doesn't do it on purpose, but that doesn't make it any less annoying. To be belittled and told you are wrong by somebody who has never once demonstrated any better knowledge or initiative or research is very, very off-putting. It is extremely hard to keep ignoring such so-called dialogue when it's directed your way.

I would second the emotion that being able to filter one's view of the forum to just not include posts by a given individual is something we could use around here.

If a divisive member is banned, there's really not much stopping said member from re-signing under some new nick, which means very quickly the same problem could crop up again. With per-poster filtering, there's no incentive for the bad seed to do anything but continue to post under his or her original nick, because it's not known who's filtering and who's not.

I hope said filtering is technically feasible -- compared to other forum software, whatever's being used here sometime seems clunky (like not being automatically subscribed to threads you start, for one thing). With this sort of personalized filtering, DanB can continue to post what he likes, and those who don't want to see it, won't. Ahh... peaceful.
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I really was going to ignore "him", the problem is he has chased off the members who are actually doing something about "Preserving the OT". That is what has upset me...We risk loosing the OT in it's original form or any VERY close facsimiles(sp?).

Truth be told I'm actually a pretty staunch PT / Lucas apologist, BUT "Han shoots first"...

I like the new battle at Yavin, I like the Jabba scene, I like the new Emperor, the new Cload city doesn't bother me, I can understand the new (but prefer the original) Anakin scene at the end of ROTJ, but, but, BUT "Han shoots first"...Oh the blasphemy of any other interpretation

Anyway because of DanielB, my personal project might not get the quality that "I" (me, myself, I) want it to be. (Digressing, it sounds like "ADigitalMan" will do about 99% what I want to do, so hopefully he doesn't get chased off also).

Take note DanielB how I'm going to try to use the available sources to do what "I" want,YOU could have done the same. Unfortuneatly YOU chased off what potentially could have been an EXCELLENT resource...Thanks a lot
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
There is an "ignore user" function.


Hmm... that appears only to work for Private Messages. At least, I haven't been able to get it to filter the posts made to the forum at large. Sure would be nice, though!

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I'll pipe up here because I feel it necessary. Like I said in the X0 Project thread, I feel that this is something extremely important to the preservation of non-SE versions of the OT. I don't think we're going to come across too many people who are willing to spend thousands of dollars on the precisely correct kind of technology and materials and it's ri-goddamn-diculous for some arrogant prick, such as DanielB, to chase him off. Though I have found the majority of his posts to be just a slight nuisance, the few that have burned have burned quite badly. MeBe, if you do indeed leave the boards again, I'm definitely going to keep in contact with you about your project. I would donate, but I'm a poor college student who is trying to fund a movie production this summer, so I've got less than nothing to donate to this project.

To restate myself, Laserman: good. MeBeJedi: good. Zion: good. X0 project: good. DanielB: bad.

Please, let us not discard this due to one person. There's a greater good to work for here.

I used to be very active on this forum. I’m not really anymore. Sometimes, people still want to get in touch with me about something, and that is great! If that describes you, please email me at [my username]ATgmailDOTcom.

Hi everybody. You’re all awesome. Keep up the good work.

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I agree with MeBeJedi. It burns me up that all you guys are working so hard and spending so much time on your projects and someone says anything bad about it. If you dont like what they are doing then DO IT YOURSELF AND LEAVE THESE HARDWORKING PEOPLE ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its one thing to give constructive critisium and another to tear someones efforts down. I hate it that we are losing the good guys and the bad one is still here. I will be using the IGNORE USER function which I do anyway. Please guys dont leave us because of 1 or 2 bad apples, ignore them. I do and I dont respond to the comments. I bite my tongue alot of times when reading some of the messages, but I continue on without a response.

“Good… Bad… I’m the guy with the gun.”

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Call me Harry Potter, as I am not afraid to name he-who-must-not-be-named. Jimbo's posts were never as venomous as DanielB's. Jimbo was kicked off for far-lesser transgressions. But DanielB is an OT purist whereas Jimbo was so far up Lucas' cornhole that he lauded every stupid decision Lucas ever made. Even though this is OriginalTrilogy.com, that, to me is no excuse. Knowing plenty of people like both of these guys has thickened my skin over the years. They love the sound of their own voices, or in this case, the look of their own words on-screen. They love to be the sand in the vaseline. They get off on getting a rise out of others. If we all ignore trolls like this, we can at least take some satisfaction in frustrating them even more than the subject does. But I'm wise enough not to think that ignoring them will make them go away entirely. It may give them a set of blueballs, but they'll keep trolling until they can gratify themselves. To switch metaphors midstream, better to remove the cancer than to expect it to go away.
I am fluent in over six million forms of procrastination.
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BTW, this is kind of funny, there is an "ignore user" function. I strongly recommend anyone who wants to keep their sanity to add DanielB to it right away.


Sadly, it only seems to work for PMs. I've had this in my ignore users list for some time but I still see his posts. ugh.
I am fluent in over six million forms of procrastination.
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I don't recall Jimbo taking things as far as some have and to see him 86'd and not others is very lame.

- AGAIN, I (WE collectively) IMPLORE you Jay to PLEASE assign MODERATORS this is THE only forum that I'm a member of that there are no MODS. I do understand that you (Jay) can get very busy and I know that you do not and cannot dedicate ALL your time in this forum and I most humbly suggest you do get at least 2 MODS. A good MOD can spot trouble and deal with it via suspensions and bans (PLUS they can Edit and delete inflammatory threads) a FEW good MODS and all trouble stops. (or is only seen for a day or so)

mod·er·a·tor Audio pronunciation of "moderators" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (md-rtr)
n.

1. One that moderates, as:
1. One that arbitrates or mediates.
2. One who presides over a meeting, forum, or debate.

(I would offer my services but with family and a short temper for the clueless - I'd be a not-so-good MOD )

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Originally posted by: Rikter
I don't recall Jimbo taking things as far as some have and to see him 86'd and not others is very lame.

- AGAIN, I (WE collectively) IMPLORE you Jay to PLEASE assign MODERATORS this is THE only forum that I'm a member of that there are no MODS. I do understand that you (Jay) can get very busy and I know that you do not and cannot dedicate ALL your time in this forum and I most humbly suggest you do get at least 2 MODS. A good MOD can spot trouble and deal with it via suspensions and bans (PLUS they can Edit and delete inflammatory threads) a FEW good MODS and all trouble stops. (or is only seen for a day or so)

mod·er·a·tor Audio pronunciation of "moderators" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (md-rtr)
n.

1. One that moderates, as:
1. One that arbitrates or mediates.
2. One who presides over a meeting, forum, or debate.

(I would offer my services but with family and a short temper for the clueless - I'd be a not-so-good MOD )


You are quite a problem solver RiK, get some Mods in here to tighten things up a little.... Good tip!

Do, or do not. There is no try.
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Its a shame Laserman is gone(zion too?), the X0 project was looking good,maybe Laserman will come back if DanielB is ban(i suggest a IP ban
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Many have given so much here - from contributing to posts on these boards so that they stay fresh and interesting, to sharing info, ideas and tips on how to ensure an even superior quality release of the OT on dvd than the previous two standardbearers.

To seemingly question, ridicule and judge the few selfless determined yet generous people that want to ensure the above happens - at cost of exhaustive time, effort and money at the expense of their family & friends - as well as themselves, is simply not on.

These few have given their valued opinions on how best to acheive this goal - should anyone not agree with the content or details of or in the product then surely the information is now available on here so that they can start their own version - without feeling the need to criticise others' efforts, especially when they have no effort of their own to offer.

A little patience goes a long way on this old-school Rebel base. If you are having issues finding what you are looking for, these will be of some help…

Welcome to the OriginalTrilogy.com | Introduce yourself in here | Useful info within : About : Help : Site Rules : Fan Project Rules : Announcements
‘How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + FAQs - includes info on how to search for projects and threads on the OT•com

A Project Index for Star Wars Preservations (Harmy’s Despecialized & 4K77/80/83 etc) : A Project Index for Star Wars Fan Edits (adywan & Hal 9000 etc)

… and take your time to look around this site before posting - to get a feel for this place. Don’t just lazily make yet another thread asking for projects.

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Most forums I participate in are moderated, and I think it is a good idea. People can mostly have free reign, but I can't see the point of letting someone repeatedly hijaak threads when their point of view is already well known and has been clearly expressed.
My feeling for forums is that if a thread has something you aren't intrested in, then you can go over there once and state why you don't agreee with it/why it isn't your thing, but then you leave it alone.
If you still feel strongly about it, you post your own thread and debate it there. Otherwise it is like a board meeting with no adgenda and no chairperson. It just degrades into chaos. An ignore feature can also help.
Most people understand this type of thing, moderators are required for when people don't. It's not about stifling anyone, more about keeping things on track and allowing people choice.

This achieves multiple things.

1) It keeps the thread on topic.
2) It allows a separate forum for offshoot discussions about the pros/cons/ philosophical issues of it all
3) It allows the original topic owner, and his/her interested parties to not take place in a discussion about philosophical disagreemnts and so on if they wish not to.
4) It allows the person with the disagreement to discuss and air their views, but gives other forum users the choice to read them and respond, or more importantly *not* to read them or respond.

For me, I already know, and understand DanielB's views, and accept his right to have them. What I can't stand is having them repeatedly forced down my throat, and seeing the same thing happen to others. When you are already doing something just for love, and there are a million reasons to stop doing it, having someone berate you and other like minded people can be enough to make you give it up.
For example, on of the big reasons I got involved here was to help others do whatever it was they wanted to do with the OT. I come here mainly because I enjoy the people, the chat, the transfer of ideas.

Seeing what people have managed to achieve, giving out advice and receiving it. It felt like a nice, friendly place full of people with similar interests. Once people start inflaming others and getting on their high horse and making statements like " It pains me to see this forum being used for projects like yours" and "remember that you are not involved in the original trilogy preservation" (that from someone who is actually doing *nothing* themselves, is really upsetting) , and statements like 'Yeah that sounds like something you would do" when watermarking a WIP, and much worse... it just p***es you off and makes you not want to be here. Regardless of intent, they do nothing but make you wish you hadn't bothered, and make you wonder why the hell you decided to share what you are doing anyway.
Those sort of statements made repeatedly don't have a place in the persons thread who is actually doing the work. Start another thread if you like, but polluting an original thread is a no-no.

On a well moderated board, I would have seen his views once, and then got on with my own stuff without being disturbed by it further, or could'v gone toe to toe in a separate thread about the issue, not inside the thread about the project.

Anyway, that's what I think.

Perhaps if we could all agree to keep the threads on topic, and keep views expressed in them to critique of technique, results method etc. and take any personal greivances off to a 'personal greivance' thread.
DanielB, what I would like to see from you is exactly the above. Respect other peoples work, and refrain from commenting on it in their thread - if you feel you must comment, start a new thread about it, and leave the original thread alone. That way, everyone has their rights respected and evryone gets a choice.

Now back to my holiday.




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If certain BB'ers wind you up don't read the drivel they type, and definately don't reply to the pricks!

Come on grow up and stop being so overlly sensitive.
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Oh, right, eros. That's exactly the kind of mature mindset we're looking for here. //sigh

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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The problem is when they hijaak your thread, and others that you used to enjoy reading, that you can't not read what they type.
That's my whole point. I'm not an overly sensitive person at all. Its just I don't keep hitting my thumb with a hammer if I can help it.

I come here because it is fun and I enjoy it and the people. When it stops being fun or interesting, then there is no point to hang around anymore. That's all I was trying to say really, is that when it becomes just a pain to come here, then its time to move on and do something else. It really is a moderation issue more than anything else, if a board is moderated correctly then trolls and troll flamers (unfortunately I also have been the latter here) are pulled up and it doesn't get out of hand, or at least can be ignored.
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It's easy to say "Just ignore him", shoot I was thinking the same thing, but I don't have my own personal project going on (so I'm isolated from attacks). It's when DanielB actually started chasing away the productive members of the forum, that's what really torqued me off. I actually didn't have the time to read what he was saying, BUT I saw the effects. (i.e., Zion gone / threatens to leave, MBJ threatens to leave, Laserman's XO project ceasing)

"OMGosh, what the heck is going on here"

Now I'm personally getting hurt because of ONE STUPID, NO JOB, NO PROJECT, NO TALENT, NO CLASS, NO BRAIN, NO SENSE, PINKO COMMIE, JERK LOSER!!!

At this time in my life I don't have the time to invest in doing my own project (though, I'm trying to gather material here and there) so, I am SO appreciative what others are doing or are willing to provide. I wish I could support more than I've already pledge.
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Now, now, Daniel. Don't hold back. Say what you really mean...LOL!

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Well, looks like the X0 project is on hold after all. Kinda sucks, especially when it should never have come to this in the first place. I guess we all know who to thank.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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First, I'd like to apologize for the rude comments I made. My post has been toned down, but it's still there.

Second, I'd like to say I agree wholeheartedly with MeBe's post. Well-said.
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Its a tricky situation we now face, this is probably the only board I visit that isn't modded, I remember the posts between Jimbo and luke that at first seemed quite amusing but after awhile started to grate and ended up in exile for Jimbo.

I take no objection to anyone having their say thats the defining aspect I suppose of the web medium *freedom of communication* but I personally don't tend to comment or advise on matters that I have little or no experience in, which is why I find Daniel B's interjections sometimes misplaced.

I mean no disrespect by this Daniel B but I like many others here have undertaken this project to try and preserve this 'holy trilogy' and until I had actually got off my arse and started spending time and money I had know idea what was involved but it did come as quite a shock.

My bedroom is now like a shrine to all things analogue, I have LD players, Hardware Video processors, countless discs and cables running everywhere my bank balance has taken a major hit, my social life dwindled and my GF is now getting very pissed off when I mention Star Wars in any which way shape or form.

I'm not trying to rant here but just trying to be honest and illustrate to other members my own personal experience, I have enjoyed and hated it but when I felt like giving up a visit to these boards and chatting to others with the same crazy misplaced passion I have gave me a boost and enabled me to get back in the saddle.

When things like this happen we tend to lose sight of the main objective, and that is in my case to have a nice 4:3 letterboxed PAL transfer of my discs that I'm happy with and to share the fruits of my labour if anyone cared.

So enjoy that cruise LM you lucky bugger!

Yes I am jealous it is cold and raining here in the UK as usual
Egon "Don't Cross the streams it would be very bad"

Peter "i'm fuzzy on the whole good/bad thing"

Egon "lmagine the 97 Star Wars Special Editions"