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Author: Zion
Time: 30-Dec-2004 7:07 PM
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Looks like a lost cause Moth3r. Thanks for the link. Apparently there's nothing I can do to fix my machine but buy a new one. I think I'll pass on that, though I'll probably end up selling this thing back on Ebay once I finish my project. Speaking of which, at this point I'm giving up on capturing my own raw footage. In it's place, I will be getting the raw capture files from Laserman's X0 project. I'm sure these will be much better caps than what I've been able to work with so far. As soon as I get these X0 files I'll be able to crank out these dvd's. Stay tuned.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

Author: sweyland
Time: 2-Jan-2005 1:45 AM
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Sorry to hear about that Zion. Oh well, I'm still looking forward to all the great work you've done on the menus!

Best of luck in the New Year!

The original Star Wars trilogy: Our cultural history deserves to be preserved and should be available to the public like all great works of art!

Author: Laserschwert
Time: 2-Jan-2005 7:13 PM
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Well, at least we've tried it.

Which now makes me VERY curious about Mother's PAL-project...

Author: Laserman
Time: 2-Jan-2005 8:11 PM
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Just on the ghosting problems mentioned long ago in this thread, the best way to remove this is by using a player that doesn't have the problem (or at least has it to a far far less extent).

Author: Laserman
Time: 2-Jan-2005 8:17 PM
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Try underclocking the video card as well as setting less agressive ram timings n your bios for a more stable setup.

Hmm, I wonder if I should've used the Japanese disks for the X0 capture...

Author: Karyudo
Time: 2-Jan-2005 9:04 PM
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Originally posted by: Laserman

Hmm, I wonder if I should've used the Japanese disks for the X0 capture...

You didn't?! Oh, the horror! OK, just kidding. But I have just about every NTSC disc available, and I think the Japanese 'Faces' discs are the nicest. I could just be being sucked in by the different IRE setting (i.e. 0 vs. 7.5), but I don't think so.

Ideally you'd have capped three different sets of discs and used TooT, too. Still, the raw X0 cap will be very nice by itself.

Author: Zion
Time: 3-Jan-2005 1:27 AM
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For what it's worth Karyudo, I got similar results to the Japanese caps you posted by changing the black levels of my capture in Premiere. To my eye, the color seems about the same between the US and Japenese LD's.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

Author: Laserman
Time: 3-Jan-2005 1:56 AM
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The captured image show from the Japanese set does have some loss of detail on the guys right shoulder (near the gun) vs the NTSC one. However the whites are much better and the detail in the eye (around the iris) is better. I am worried that there is actually less detail in the shadow areas on the Japanese set.
There was no need for TooT, the X0 laser doesn't falter on rot, even on severly rotted discs.

Author: Zion
Time: 12-Jan-2005 3:57 AM
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I've finally gone back to working on my menus. The lame SW logo that bugged me to death has been replaced. Check it out.

More to come...

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

Author: sweyland
Time: 12-Jan-2005 5:01 AM
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Awesome stuff, Zion!

Thanks for all your efforts. That's just the kind of good news I wanted to hear around here!

The original Star Wars trilogy: Our cultural history deserves to be preserved and should be available to the public like all great works of art!

Author: agr1170
Time: 12-Jan-2005 8:27 AM
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Awesome work Zion, you the man.

“Good… Bad… I’m the guy with the gun.”

Author: oojason
Time: 12-Jan-2005 8:37 AM
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Impressive stuff, Zion

A little patience goes a long way on this old-school Rebel base. If you are having issues finding what you are looking for, these will be of some help…

Welcome to the OriginalTrilogy.com | Introduce yourself in here | Useful info within : About : Help : Site Rules : Fan Project Rules : Announcements
‘How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + FAQs - includes info on how to search for projects and threads on the OT•com

A Project Index for Star Wars Preservations (Harmy’s Despecialized & 4K77/80/83 etc) : A Project Index for Star Wars Fan Edits (adywan & Hal 9000 etc)

… and take your time to look around this site before posting - to get a feel for this place. Don’t just lazily make yet another thread asking for projects.

Author: MeBeJedi
Time: 12-Jan-2005 1:04 PM
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zion, is that a static menu or a motion menu? I only ask because Leia's face is the only one obscured by the letters. The other pics look great.

MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.

MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.

JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.

Author: Karyudo
Time: 12-Jan-2005 1:42 PM
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
zion, is that a static menu or a motion menu?

The short sample clips I've seen from zion before are very much like the menus on the "real" DVDs: the Star Wars logo recedes into the distance with clips playing inside the letters. Very cool lookin'. I'm sure that's the case here, too. The proof-of-concept I saw some months ago was already pretty polished. It's just the logo that sucked. I hooked zion up with the correct text font (i.e. the one for "Episode V", but I couldn't find the logo. Good to see one has been found!

Author: Zion
Time: 12-Jan-2005 5:13 PM
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Yeah, it's the same motion menu I had up before, where the logo fades away with video clips playing inside the letters just like the Official DVD's. I just made a better Star Wars logo in Photoshop and applied it to my existing After Effects project. After trying out a few EPS files that were floating around and not really being happy with any of them, I decided to make my own logo using a screengrab from the ESB opening shot as a reference. I used a font called "Star Jedi Rounded" and tweaked the letters for correct spacing, width and height. It's not perfect, but it's good enough for me.

I'd post the whole clip, but unfortunately my website has exceeded it's bandwidth for the month (yeah, I know, ALREADY!). I have the countless fanboy sites all across the net linking to my image archive and leaching all of my ROTS images to thank for that. But that's another story...

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

Author: Zion
Time: 12-Jan-2005 6:25 PM
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A few minor fixes - most of which you probably won't notice in this shot.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

Author: Zion
Time: 13-Jan-2005 9:17 PM
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Well, I just signed up for a new web host, so hopefully I'll be able to get the new video clip up in the next couple days to show you guys.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

Author: Hal 9000
Time: 13-Jan-2005 9:25 PM
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Sweet.

My stance on revising fan edits.

Author: jonstamos
Time: 13-Jan-2005 10:40 PM
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Zion,
I've been playing with my own Laserdisc capture for about a year now and we essentially are using the same equipment. Your email address from your website keeps bouncing back, can you email my spam account (jonstamos at hotmail.com). I might have some answers on the quality issues you're experiencing during capture.

Author: MeBeJedi
Time: 13-Jan-2005 10:47 PM
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Niiiiiiiice.

MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.

MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.

JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.

Author: Zion
Time: 14-Jan-2005 1:08 AM
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Heh, yeah. Mods get all the cool fringe benefits.

jon, my email is probably down since I'm in the middle of switching servers. I'll try to contact you tomarrow, if not Saturday.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

Author: casualimp
Time: 15-Jan-2005 9:23 PM
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Zion, if you got here you can get plenty of .eps files you might find of use for your menus.

Brands of the Word (Star Wars)

I'm really looking forward to seeing these when they're completed.

Author: jonstamos
Time: 17-Jan-2005 8:33 PM
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Ok zion, you made me go and install my server so we can begin to discuss some quality issues I have noticed during my year long on/off capture saga with Star Wars. On my home server here (BE PATIENT) there are three untouched captures of the same scene. Only one of these capture cards is able to capture in YUY. The others are captures from an MPEG2 capture card and another from a DV capture card. The results I think are suprising. Remember, these are all raw, untouched captures:

The top picture is a capture from a Canopus ADVC50 card. It shows slight combing, but there is bad dot crawl(?), tearing (?) of red, most easily seen along the top of Leia's left arm. I never really considered DV seriously to start with because of the quality loss from the format.

The center is a YUY capture from a BT8*8 chipset tv capture card. It shows combing artifacts that I've noticed in your captures and really is of poor quality. Despite the good reputation I am not impressed by these cards.

The bottom capture is from a Hauppauge PVR250MCE. To my eyes it easily is the best capture of the group. The interesting thing about this card is that it only captures in MPEG2. That's right, the image that has already been compressed shows the best quality. ***EDIT, I forgot to mention what I don't like about this image, which is the softness of the pciture***

Ok, a word on the source of the capture material. I'm using the definitive collection through a Pioneer Elite CLD-79.

Anyways, I would like everyones comments on these captures and a discussion on capture cards, and anyones personal experience with the PDI Deluxe.

Author: Zion
Time: 17-Jan-2005 9:09 PM
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Well, one thing's for sure - a lot of you are putting my raw captures to shame.

Those Elite players are amazing.

You're absolutely right, the bottom one looks the best of the three, even though it's MPEG2. Hauppage cards have always been some of the best available, I just never looked at them because they only do MPEG captures. The middle one looks the closest to mine, and that makes sense since my cards are the newer generation of the BT8*8's.

That's a very good example of the three most common variety PC capture devices. You would be better off starting a new thread about this though as it doesn't have much to do with my project.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

Author: jonstamos
Time: 17-Jan-2005 9:46 PM
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You would be better off starting a new thread about this though as it doesn't have much to do with my project.

Done. Zion, from what I understand there is essentially no difference between my CLD-79 and your CLD-D704. I could be wrong but I beleive the 79 is just a D704 in elite badging.