In what ways did TFA completely nail it, either in terms of filmmaking or in terms of continuity? — Page 2

Lord Haseo said:

I also loved how in that brief scene they established Poe and Finn being friends far better than us being told Anakin and Obi-Wan were friends in the Prequels.

Great point mate. One of the bugbears of the 3 previous films is that important friendship between Obi-Wan and Anakin was not satisfactorily seen or felt - yet it happens quite casually and seemingly naturally in TFA with Pe & Finn.

DominicCobb said:

John Doom said:

DominicCobb said:

John Doom said:

I liked:
[…]
-the First Order’s (if brief) theme;

There were a lot of great themes in the film. This was the only one you liked??

Yep. Half of the themes were remakes of the older ones, while I didn’t find very moving the new ones.

Did you even listen to the soundtrack? I’m honestly having a hard time comprehending this.

Here are the new themes:
Rey’s theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65As1V0vQDM
Kylo Ren’s theme (at 4:20): https://youtu.be/y8ac1Qg-r-8?t=4m18s
Kylo Ren’s secondary theme (at 0:13): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUs88IY1A00
Finn’s theme (at 1:11): https://youtu.be/VLipUMfiiC8?t=1m
Poe Dameron’s theme (at 1:18): https://youtu.be/cHJrfB7VquM?t=1m14s
The Resistance’s theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueqKtype7Kk
The Jedi steps theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUBUlKgsNK8

Of those (brilliant) new themes, the only one that I think even vaguely sounds like a remake is Kylo Ren’s, but that makes sense narratively.

Seriously, the fact that you think not one of those is worth liking and you instead prefer a small bit at the start of the film that isn’t even a theme makes me think you are just being purposefully contrarian on this point.

Calm down, I didn’t say they’re not good, just that I didn’t find them very moving in the movie. Besides, when I said half of the themes are remakes of the older ones, I wasn’t referring to these tracks, but the other half used in the movie which actually were remakes of older tracks like the Force’s theme, Luke’s theme, Leia’s theme, and so on.
That bit I said I like wasn’t randomly chosen, it is used every time the First Order appears in the movie, so it’s kind of like a theme on its own, right?

Lord Haseo said:

oojason said:

Lord Haseo said:

I also loved how in that brief scene they established Poe and Finn being friends far better than us being told Anakin and Obi-Wan were friends in the Prequels.

yet it happens quite casually and seemingly naturally in TFA with Pe & Finn.

And then again with Finn and Rey. While I believe that they’re not meant for each other romantically their friendship was developed pretty well. I mean even though they barely knew each other I could feel genuine woe emanating from Rey as Finn was being dragged off by a Rathtar.

Yes, you can see and feel that moment where Rey thinks that this man Finn, shows genuinely concern for her - something she may not have been used to on Jakku in her environment before and seems taken aback by it, and this, amongst other scenes is obviously strengthened by him Han and Chewy coming to try and free her on Starbase Killer later on. Her scenes with an injured Finn just before she leaves to find Luke was very well played too.

cyclista said:

Hey now, this isn’t the debate whether it was good or not thread. I’m grateful Doom showed up to this party at all! Thanks Doom.

😄 No fanfare, please, it’s not like I completely dislike TFA. I’ve tried to be objective with it so far, both considering its pros and cons, like with any other movie.
(😄 On a side note, is it me, or things are getting a bit “intense” in this forum? Maybe I’m being misinterpreted, but I do have to say that lately, when I step on a thread about TFA, I’m by some immediately wrongly “accused” of considering this movie “garbage”, and of “bashing” it because it’s trendy or something 😄 )

John Doom said:

(😄 On a side note, is it me, or things are getting a bit “intense” in this forum? Maybe I’m being misinterpreted, but I do have to say that lately, when I step on a thread about TFA, I’m by some immediately wrongly “accused” of considering this movie “garbage”, and of “bashing” it because it’s trendy or something 😄 )

Well, I hope what you said doesn’t derail thie thread - like cyclista has just stated ‘in this thread - love only’. Perhaps if you’d like to talk about your side note you could start a new thread?, or attempt genuine dialogue on the subject in the very thread in which there are a few opposing viewpoints?

cyclista said:

This might be something ultra-important about the Disney contribution. Disney teams are probably all highly skilled in emotion portrayal. Lucas was, frankly, awful at that. IMHO structuring believable, resonant emotional connections between characters in the PT is the second most urgent task for any faneditor to tackle, the primary/foundational trifecta of course being the removal of Jar-Jar, midichlorians, and racist stereotypes. The emotional connections are the more subtle and difficult of the two to handle.

Yes, Disney are very skilled = and experienced - in getting that emotional portrayal across in their movies. I also think JJ and his team may have the same issue in getting people to like to the new crew in his first Star Trek film - probably a very important issue for him to handle that with a lot riding on the ST reboot - perhaps another tick in the box on the Disney ticksheet when going through the names they wanted to helm their new Star Wars film.

To keep it simple, they managed to make a relatively enjoyable film.

oojason said:

Well, I hope what you said doesn’t derail thie thread - like cyclista has just stated ‘in this thread - love only’. Perhaps if you’d like to talk about your side note you could start a new thread?, or attempt genuine dialogue on the subject in the very thread in which there are a few opposing viewpoints?

It wasn’t and it’s not my intention to derail this thread, so I’ll leave again after this post, but truth be told: cyclista wasn’t “reproving” me, but someone who started arguing on what I like in TFA, on my viewpoint. So my “side note” is actually pretty relevant in this thread (along with other ones), as I wrote it to answer to cyclista’s request, advising people to stay on the thread instead of immediately “accusing” people and arguing, like it happened to me.
Done, bye 😄

John Doom said:

oojason said:

Well, I hope what you said doesn’t derail thie thread - like cyclista has just stated ‘in this thread - love only’. Perhaps if you’d like to talk about your side note you could start a new thread?, or attempt genuine dialogue on the subject in the very thread in which there are a few opposing viewpoints?

It wasn’t and it’s not my intention to derail this thread, so I’ll leave again after this post, but truth be told: cyclista wasn’t “reproving” me, but someone who started arguing on what I like in TFA, on my viewpoint. So my “side note” is actually pretty relevant in this thread (along with other ones), as I wrote it to answer to cyclista’s request, advising people to stay on the thread instead of immediately “accuse” people like it happened to me.
Done, bye 😄

Yes, of course saying:-

“On a side note, is it me, or things are getting a bit “intense” in this forum? Maybe I’m being misinterpreted, but I do have to say that lately, when I step on a thread about TFA, I’m by some immediately wrongly “accused” of considering this movie “garbage”, and of “bashing” it because it’s trendy or something 😄 )”

is in answer to cyclista’s request advising people to stay on thread instead of immediately accuse(ing) people like it happened to you…

Which is why you may find the answers you seek in creating your own thread on ‘things are getting intense in this forum’ issue?

Good luck with this, and bye for now 😃

Bingowings said:

Back in the first film narrative was propelled largely visually. […] There are a few of these that work really well in TFA.
Rey cleaning her finds looks up and sees a departing ship and then notices an old lady cleaning her salvage. […] It’s moments like this a superior scriptwriter and director has the confidence to put into a film with lasers and robots. It gives us a human connection, such moments transcend cultural and linguistic differences.

So true. The first part of the movie is very well told, especially the characters’ feelings, and almost entirely visually. The opening shot, Rey’s desire for a better life and Finn’s decision to leave the battlefield forever.

oojason said:

Yes, of course saying:-

“On a side note, is it me, or things are getting a bit “intense” in this forum? Maybe I’m being misinterpreted, but I do have to say that lately, when I step on a thread about TFA, I’m by some immediately wrongly “accused” of considering this movie “garbage”, and of “bashing” it because it’s trendy or something 😄 )”

is in answer to cyclista’s request advising people to stay on thread instead of immediately accuse(ing) people like it happened to you…

I’m not forcing you to agree, I’m ok with it. But you should quote and consider the entire context, before making a point I anyone can take into consideration. Here, these 2 posts with their relative quotes are enough: 1st and 2nd.

P.S.: So much better using old-school links instead of quotes, to avoid building a wall of text 😄

Lord Haseo said:

oojason said:

Lord Haseo said:

oojason said:

Lord Haseo said:

I also loved how in that brief scene they established Poe and Finn being friends far better than us being told Anakin and Obi-Wan were friends in the Prequels.

yet it happens quite casually and seemingly naturally in TFA with Pe & Finn.

And then again with Finn and Rey. While I believe that they’re not meant for each other romantically their friendship was developed pretty well. I mean even though they barely knew each other I could feel genuine woe emanating from Rey as Finn was being dragged off by a Rathtar.

Yes, you can see and feel that moment where Rey thinks that this man Finn, shows genuinely concern for her - something she may not have been used to on Jakku in her environment before and seems taken aback by it, and this, amongst other scenes is obviously strengthened by him Han and Chewy coming to try and free her on Starbase Killer later on. Her scenes with an injured Finn just before she leaves to find Luke was very well played too.

All this makes me wonder how Finn would react if she turned to the dark side because it’s quite possible that the next time they meet she’ll be a darksider. The only reason I say this is because I think the Finn/Poe dynamic will become more prominent due to Rey training with Luke.

or at least on here way / being tempted to the Dark Side - which will be interesting to see how Finn also reacts to that (and his strong relationship with Rey) as he’s already made that decision to have left that ‘side’ of things. And that’s on top of like you say the Poe/Finn pairing will likely be a theme too… TFA has certainly laid some pretty decent groundwork and possibilities for the next films.

John Doom said:

I’m not forcing you to agree, I’m ok with it. But you should quote and consider the entire context, before making a point I anyone can take into consideration. Here, these 2 posts with their relative quotes are enough: 1st and 2nd.

P.S.: So much better using old-school links instead of quotes, to avoid building a wall of text 😄

Hello again! Yes, the wall of text can get get a bit much at times.

Re the other part of your post - No mate, I don’t have to quote the whole thing. Though, yes - I have managed to read this thread, consider the posts and then reply. No, I know you’re not forcing me to agree with it (whatever that means).

And, no - I didn’t really think it my suggestion/question that you may find the answers you were seeking about ‘things are getting intense in this forum’ issue?’ in a new thread would be answered by you.

Goodbye again?

Actually, I think I’m now derailing the thread - and it seems you certainly don’t want answers to questions in your own thread. Whilst your statements are selectively evasive, circular and repetitive like in the ‘Merry Sue’ thread (nice edits in there on taking out the ‘…I’ve never said Rey was perfect…’ in your later posts - to the first line of your first post in there which was ‘She’s too perfect…’), so I’ll stop posting in here.

Arrivederci 😃

oojason said:

[…] Whilst your statements are selectively evasive, circular and repetitive like in the ‘Merry Sue’ thread (nice edits in there on taking out the ‘…I’ve never said Rey was perfect…’ in your later posts - to the first line of your first post in there which was ‘She’s too perfect…’), so I’ll stop posting in here.

Arrivederci 😃

Arriverderci un corno :\ I can stand that we have different opinions, but I can’t stand such an accusation without a reply. I swear I only edit my posts to fix the grammar and make the content clearer and clearer, improving and completing it (I admit sometimes I rush things 😄) , but I’ve NEVER edited a post after someone had already replied me, I’m not a lier nor a cheater. I don’t specifically remember doing what you say I did, why I did, nor in which specific post, but rest assured that whatever it was, what you may read now is the same thing, just more thoughtful.