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Yeah, they stick out like dogs nuts, but I thought the always anally retentive internet would have had a big list by now.
Time to get my shot list pad out I guess. My biggest problem is coontinually listing faults that turn out to be original faults, but I guess that's not a bad thing either.
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This is a good site for changes across all versions

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Mike, are you going to keep the audio klunk added to this shot?

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Yay!
Thanks for that site- I finally found someone else now who remembers the 'She's Beautiful' - 'So's Life Kid' 'She's Rich'
lines from the 1977 release - I always missed that line, and had no end of people telling me it was never there. Well it was dammit! and it was a good line!

Anyhow, thanks again for the link - it makes the task a bit easier.
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I thought the klunk was always present and was only clearer in the DVD release.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
I thought the klunk was always present and was only clearer in the DVD release.


If God himself had put in the klunk, it would be wrong. The drama of the scene is one of intimidation: the bad guys are coming. You don't deliberately distract from that with a totally out-of-place bit of comedy shtick unless you have assaulted your audience with emotionally draining stuff for so long that they need a break, which was not the case here. There's actually a few pieces of comedy in Schindler's List because it's so heavy for so long! Saw Million Dollar Baby last night, same thing.. heavy heavy heavy, and finally a small bit of relief so you can reset.

It's filmmaking 101. The problem is, that after 25+ years, people familiar with the film take all the drama for granted, and having lost their perspective, begin eroding it with stuff like this. But if it was in the original mix, that wouldn't be all that surprising, either, because you tend to lose your perspective even in the middle of production, where constant frame-by-frame analysis over a long time has the same effect. It's often difficult to retain your memory of what a moment was like the first time you saw it, and being able to do so is one of the things that separates the men from the boys, production-wise. You have to know when to leave a thing alone. Today's Star Wars films, where one animator will work on an elbow for 6 weeks, is a study in this problem: He's got 6 weeks, one elbow. So he spends forever making the elbow thing do all kinds of stuff, when what it really might've needed was something subtle. In the end, the animation becomes too busy, the frame composition becomes too busy, and nobody knows what to care about anymore, so they don't care about anything. Phantom Menace is one of the best studies for film students in taking the drama for granted and way overplaying a scene with density of "gags". Every other instant is an opportunity for schtick, all of which detracts the audience from what the real drama is. The pod race didn't need any goofiness.. it would've been better without it, as you would've stayed in the moment. Most people agree that the lightsaber duel at the end is the most Star Wars feeling of TPM. Know why? It's clear. No shtick. You care, and you stay caring.

Filmmaking 101.

_Mike


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Damn, mverta. That's an excellent analysis. Nicely done!

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I get that the notion is to remove the sound altogether. I'm more curious about the process to do this, given the lack of source material without the sound present. EQing it out? Crossfades? With the little bit of music underneath, it'll be tricky, but so is just about everything else you're tackling in the restoration. Having gone through pains over the whole "wesa free" issue -- just locating another source and then finding a matching edit point that didn't make the splice obvious -- was a task. Getting something as simple as this klunk out is going to be fun, in a dentist drill kinda way. I hope you'll share the techniques and process with us in detail. As an audio guy, I'm keen on learning.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
I get that the notion is to remove the sound altogether. I'm more curious about the process to do this, given the lack of source material without the sound present. EQing it out? Crossfades? With the little bit of music underneath, it'll be tricky, but so is just about everything else you're tackling in the restoration. Having gone through pains over the whole "wesa free" issue -- just locating another source and then finding a matching edit point that didn't make the splice obvious -- was a task. Getting something as simple as this klunk out is going to be fun, in a dentist drill kinda way. I hope you'll share the techniques and process with us in detail. As an audio guy, I'm keen on learning.


It'll be easy. I'll be using an earlier soundtrack. The DVD version is a technical and creative tragedy of such dystopian proportions that those responsible should be drowned in vats of their own liver bile.

_Mike

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Originally posted by: mverta

It'll be easy. I'll be using an earlier soundtrack. The DVD version is a technical and creative tragedy of such dystopian proportions that those responsible should be drowned in vats of their own liver bile.

_Mike


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There is an earlier soundtrack without the klunk? That's what I'm getting at. Long before any special editions, that was a moment to drink to ... the stormtrooper klunking his head. Is there a version without the sound? I recall it always being there.

Time to go back to the DE and check this out again for myself.
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From what I remember, in the earlier versions, the Stormtrooper turns on his comlink to talk just as the head bumps, so people thought that the "pssht" noise of the comlink was the soundeffect for the Bump.
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Just whipped out the TR47 set and its there, plain as day. Is there a source without this sound?
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"From what I remember, in the earlier versions, the Stormtrooper turns on his comlink to talk just as the head bumps, so people thought that the "pssht" noise of the comlink was the soundeffect for the Bump."

Correct. This also brings to mind the "noise" that is heard when Obi-wan distracts the two stormtroopers at the tractor beam station. Again, there is a random machine sound effect that is heard near the time of Obi-wan's gesture, but careful analysis shows that the sound effect starts seconds before Obi-wan begins his gesture.

ADigitalMan, I would suggest comparing the two sounds. They are different.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Mike for all your arguments, please remember that you are not involved in the original trilogy preservation. At best, you are involved in creating the "Special Mverta Edition". It pains me to see this forum being used for projects like yours. If Lucas himself came to this forum and started a thread titled "The 2007 Special Edition - The Official Thread", he would not be doing anything different to you. I understand that you are compiling these movies how you see them, but that is not what preservation is. Enid Blyton's Noddy books did not have to be modified by others. But people came along and used the exact same argument you're using now, which is "the noddy books were never meant to be raciest, so therefore removing a raciest character is in the best interests of the book".

Please, for the love of individuality, let it go. I would not have made the noddy books the same way - I wouldn't have made them at all! So therefore since I had no part in creating them what right would I have to re-make them now? What gives you this right Mike? Serving the best interests of SW fans? Preservation? Or is it that you are saying, now, "these imperfections are not how I would have intended the movie to look if I had made it, therefore I am editing it"? Yes, your version might look better to you. But then this forum wasn't created to make the best looking version, it was created so that people might use it in their efforts to create the best possible preservation. And this project does not fall into that category.
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DanielB:

Yes, he's making his version as he sees fit. No, he's not preserving anything. But why should you care? He's not distributing them, and there are versions that *do* preserve the originals already. So why? He's doing this for him, not for you. If you don't like what he's doing, fine. But don't tell him to stop doing it because you don't like it.
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Ash, read your PMs.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I guess there will always be people who like to make trouble, rattle the cage or however you want to express it. At least DanielB isn't an illiterate moron like the previous troll, Jimbo.
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Hey, Mike has been good enough to come on here and offer and share information on what he is doing, how he is doing it etc.

So much interest in his set that he created a site that even people like me (with no technical expertise or knowledge) can follow and appreciate the difficulties in what Mike, Gonzo, TR47, Zion, Laserman, MBJ and others here are doing.

Mike's site itself has probably seen him slow down on actually working his set - but hey, he's still doing it, all for free.

and now he's getting hassle for it?


I can now understand why some people come here and think we're a bunch right of shitehawks

A little patience goes a long way on this old-school Rebel base. If you are having issues finding what you are looking for, these will be of some help…

Welcome to the OriginalTrilogy.com | Introduce yourself in here | Useful info within : About : Help : Site Rules : Fan Project Rules : Announcements
‘How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + FAQs - includes info on how to search for projects and threads on the OT•com

A Project Index for Star Wars Preservations (Harmy’s Despecialized & 4K77/80/83 etc) : A Project Index for Star Wars Fan Edits (adywan & Hal 9000 etc)

… and take your time to look around this site before posting - to get a feel for this place. Don’t just lazily make yet another thread asking for projects.

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Originally posted by: oojason
Mike's site itself has probably seen him slow down on actually working his set - but hey, he's still doing it, all for free.
Hey, I bought his shirt.

ChainsawAsh, why do I care? Hmmm... maybe because I believe it kills the real preservation effort which is to convince Lucas to release his original movies. As I said before, Lucas believes it should be his way not ours. I do not believed that attitude is incompatible with the interests of preservation. I for one am not asking for anything "my" way. All I'm asking for (from Lucas, not from Mike) is preservation of the theatrical releases, and availability in the current home video format standards. I'm not even asking Mike to kill his project, just that I do believe this is not the forum for it, and I believe it should be taken elsewhere.
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*sigh* and my joke at the top of this goes unheeded. I tried to add some much-needed levity to this thread but it was undercut by more venom. People, stop taking the bait. If only the board had an "ignore" function we could turn off all posts from unruly members on an individual basis.

Mike, you keep doing what you're doing. I get the motivation. Even if we never see it, I've appreciated all the information in this thread and on your site.

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Digitalman, that was funny.

I watched it about ten times before I closed it. I just didn't comment. REminds me of those funny "han shooting second" things floating around.

Good job. That stuff's good

My stance on revising fan edits.

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i cant get the clip to play stupid work computer not having all the codecs...ill try again when im at home

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