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Hi,

The good and dark side of Star Wars (Keep in mind, these are my opinions and not necessarily agreed by all SW fans):

Good revelations: Darth Vader is Luke's father
Bad revelations: Leia is Luke's sister

Good revelations: The force is explained as "mystical" and all powerful energy field
Bad revelations: The farce is explained as "scientific", Midichlorians are symbionts to all living beings

Good revelations: Anakin was a powerful jedi, influenced by the Emperor and seduced by the Dark Side to become DV.
Bad revelations: Anakin is a virgin birthed chosen one, born from Midichlorians who will bring Balance to the Farce.

Good revelations: Love triangle between Leia, Luke and Han (circa 1977 - 1980)
Bad revelations: Luke and Leia are twins (1983)

Good revelations: Han shot Greedo first - Mercenary, smuggler, scoundrel Han
Bad revelations: Greedo shot Han first - Soppy Han

Good revelations: GL wanted to create a 9 story saga (1980 - Time magazine)
Bad revelations: GL stated ROTJ was the last (1983); GL later decides to do PT, stating SW is a 6 story saga.

Good revelations: SW is about "The Adventures of Luke Skywalker"
Bad revelations: SW is about Anakin Skywalker (1999)

Good revelations: ROTJ originally was planned for Wookiees
Bad revelations: Ewoks

Good revelations: Anakin is redeemed (Sebastian Shaw)
Bad revelations: Anakin is redeemed (Hayden Christiansen)

Good revelations: Yoda's knowledge and experience with the force knows no equal
Bad revelations: Yoda fights Dooku with a lightsaber (IMO, Yoda should not have given in to Dooku's taunts and prove anything to Dooku)

Good revelations: GL made the decision to create the PT
Bad revelations: GL made the PT as is.

Kevin
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His one and only Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but will have eternal life." The Holy Bible - John 3:16
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Bravo, encore!

Yes I agree with all of the above.

However, I can live with the Luke and Leia are twins bit if only because it prompts my favourite scene in the trilogy:

VADER:
Your thoughts betray you.
Your feelings for them are strong.
Especially for... SISTER! So, you have a twin sister.
Your feelings have now betrayed her, too.
Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure is complete.
If YOU will not turn to the dark side, then perhaps she WILL.

LUKE:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And so begins the best part of the trilogy the destruction of Darth Vader and the redemption of Anakin Skywalker (as Sebastian Shaw [with hella-cool eyebrows]).
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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That's as good as an excuse as any for me to rewatch my ROTJ bootleg.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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Also believe it or not that's my favorite music cue in the movie. Watching BIRTH OF A LIGHTSABER, they show (most of) it without music and man is it fuckin weird...
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Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh
Also believe it or not that's my favorite music cue in the movie. Watching BIRTH OF A LIGHTSABER, they show (most of) it without music and man is it fuckin weird...


Actually, me too, this piece and the piece at the start of the battle as the squads roll call. before Ackbar's best line of all.. "IT'S A TRAP!"
Alex

Ooh Maxy-big this Farce!
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lol why does everyone love that line (including me)...

"IT'S A TRAP!!"
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I think it's because a six-foot salmon is saying it.
Alex

Ooh Maxy-big this Farce!
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I thought he said "DARTH!" as if threatening or challenging him.

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Fine, mister Lucas, while you're at it why dont you replace Lando with will smith?
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Nah, he says "Never!" as he charges towards Vader. It´s hard to make out exactly what he says, but this is from imdb.com (probably taken directly from the script):

Darth Vader : You cannot hide forever, Luke.
Luke : I will not fight you.
Darth Vader : Give yourself to the Dark Side. It is the only way you can save your friends. Yes. Your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong. Especially for... sister. So, you have a twin sister. Your feelings have now betrayed her, too. Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure is complete. If you will not turn to the Dark Side... then perhaps she will.
Luke : NEVER!

peace,

Rebelscum


peace,

Rebelscum
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Good Revelations: The Empire could not have been overthrown without the two droids, R2D2 and C3P0.
Bad Revelations: C-3P0 was created by Anakin Skwalker; R2 saved everyone in the Naboo fighter, allowing the prequel characters to survive and be in two more movies.
Don't forget: with Lacuna, you can forget.
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^

True.

Here's another one:

Good revelations: Boba Fett is the most feared bounty hunter in the Galaxy.
Bad revelations: Boba Fett has an origin, clone of Jango Fett. No longer mysterious, silent and deadly, Boba never strays far from Jabba's side.

Kevin
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His one and only Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but will have eternal life." The Holy Bible - John 3:16
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Good revelations: SW is about "The Adventures of Luke Skywalker"


This one's the worst. The prequels make the whole saga pointless. It's about a man turning bad and then back to good...

With just the OT, it was about Luke's adventures and, over time, learning Vader was his father and turning him back to the light side. Damn them prequels.
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Adds more to the irony, I guess.
The robots that halped him rise to power also destroyed teh empire...

Ah fuck it...its a douche bag change that cant be justified.

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Fine, mister Lucas, while you're at it why dont you replace Lando with will smith?
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Am I the only person here who actually *liked* the Ewoks? I mean, for once I agree with Lucas' decision about something and his justification for it--a planet full of wookiees might've impressed the He-Man generation, but we've *seen* a Wookiee before. At least with the Ewoks, he introduces something new that we haven't seen in Star Wars before.
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I loved the ewoks. What I hated was this:

"If we made the movie today, we would have done the ewoks digitally."
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the ewoks are not too bad, but it would've been nice to see more than only one wookie and how chewbacca interacts with other of his kin. it would have added something more to his character.
however it would have been a huge coincidence if the inhabitants of endor, the planet chosen to guard DS2 had been wookies.

"Last night, Darth Vader came down from planet Vulcan and told me that if I didn't take Lorraine out that he'd melt my brain."
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Yea. That's another thing--why would the Empire build a forcefield generator on a moon full of Wookiees, who they know could kick their shiny white asses? I know I'd prefer to build it on a moon populated by small, insignifigant cutesy-poo teddy bears who, to the naked eye, pose no threat.
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No force in the galaxy can endure "YUB NUB!!"


Honestly, the one I agree with the most is about the Force, and Anakin's origin. It is just lame. I cant even expand on my thoughts for it. *Dry Heaves*
"You don't own space, so stop actin' like you do."
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Interesting thoughts about the preference of Ewoks. Still, my preference would still be wookiees, as it had been rumored that wookiees were once slaves to the Empire, and to me a race of Wookiees defeating the Empire's finest legions would serve as greater irony to the political injustice.

Kevin
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His one and only Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but will have eternal life." The Holy Bible - John 3:16
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(EPISODE 3 POSS SPOLIERS

Something that maybe in Episode 3 that may not make much sense given conversations from Episode 4...















In Ep3 it is rumoured that Chewbacca will carry Yoda on his back whilst escaping from the Clonetroopers on Kashyyk, and that Yoda uses the Force in front of Chewy and some other Wookiees - repeatedly - to aid that escape.

From the poster 'BulbaSeb' on tf.n:-

In Ep4 Han stated that he doesn't believe in hokey religions or some mystical all powerful Force. What? Chewie just let's that go? I don't think so. Over the years, Chewie's going to let Han know a thing or two about stories from the old days - or at least his past.

"Roowrr ror rrooor roror roo"
"Really buddy, I didn't know... a little green guy you say?"
"Rrrwor rrrowwwwoowr rrrowrr"
"Right, and you expect me to believe that he threw missiles away, and pushed stormtroopers to the floor just by waving his hand"
Chewie shrugs. End of Subject.

I don't buy it.

Maybe we need the intervening episode, like Troops! in ANH

On Tatooine:
ObiWan - "Say, aren't you a Wookie? I thought you were all but dead"
Chewie - "Rrrwrrorr rrwrorwrr"
ObiWan - "Yes, I am a Jedi. I want to thank you for saving Master Yoda."
Chewie - "RRrrrwweerrr rrrroroo"
ObiWan - "He saved me a few times as well. Now I need a ship to get me off Tatooine."
Chewie - "Rrrwwrrr wah wah"
ObiWan - "No, should I have?"
Chewie - "RRroowwwooorrrwwror"
ObiWan - "Never heard of the Kessel run. But, if you can get me and a few friends out of Mos Eisely, no questions asked, I can pay you handsomely"
Chewie - "Waaahrrr RuhRoh"
ObiWan - "Lead the way to the captain of your ship. But promise me that you'll never speak of the Jedi and pretend not to know of our existence."
Chewie - "Rohkay"










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