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Bingowings said:

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Liberty.

^Thunderous applause.

Thunderous applesauce.

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The World lost a great man and a great leader.   Its too bad there aren't more people like him.

R.I.P.  President Mandela.

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Whenever Mandela comes up in conversation, I can't help but to remember how the False Church of God labelled him a communist.

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Thatcher called him a terrorist and the youth wing of her party made posters calling for him to hung (much to embarrassment of our current PM who seems to have idolised the fella).

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RIP Mandela.

Beware pygmy politicians and their crocodile tears.

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^ Damn you Bingowings! You cost me a TV with that Bullingdon Club photo as I just involuntarily put my fist through the screen ;-)

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Bingowings said:

That's just tin foil hat nonsense... surely..?

not if there is sufficient evidence of the claims made in the thing posted by oojason.    If they are true, I do have to wonder how Cameron got elected to your Parliament let alone elected to PM. 

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Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

That's just tin foil hat nonsense... surely..?

not if there is sufficient evidence of the claims made in the thing posted by oojason.    If they are true, I do have to wonder how Cameron got elected to your Parliament let alone elected to PM. 

 Now you're getting it ;-)

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They are true mate - a few visits to online biographies on him, and some articles such as these will point you in the right direction:-

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/06/conservative-party-uncomfortable-nelson-mandela

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/camerons-freebie-to-apartheid-south-africa-1674367.html

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/06/follow-nelson-mandela-laugh-rightwing-fawning

http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/mandela-uk/27176

Though it probably says more about the Tory Party - and the type of people they champion to elect him as their leader. 

As for being PM - we are currently in a coalition Govt - the Tories and the LibDems are 'running' the country. He didn't get enough votes to win outright.

Hopefully he'll get even less votes next time at the Election - the LibDems certainly will.

Sadly we are in the age of PR and spin, the demonisation of the poor, weak and working classes - and those that speaks up for them - all whilst the rich pay in less each year for the rest of us to pick the slack. 'Divide and conquer'.

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oojason said:

They are true mate

- a few visits to online biographies on him, and some articles such as these will point you in the right direction:-

yeah, I just don't know all that much about British politics and and British politicians. 

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Though it probably says more about the Tory Party - and the type of people they champion to elect him as their leader. 

As for being PM - we are currently in a coalition Govt - the Tories and the LibDems are 'running' the country. He didn't get enough votes to win outright.

Hopefully he'll get even less votes next time at the Election - the LibDems certainly will.

Correct me if I am wrong, by each member of Parliament is elected by a section of the country and then Parliament elects the PM from one its members.  So I'd still like to know how he got elected to Parliament in the first place.

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You have to understand that so much in the British system is based purely on convention and tradition and has no official rules set in stone.

The PM isn't even an official position and isn't elected by the House. The only House elected positions are the Speaker and his/her deputees, with the conventional caveat that the Speaker comes from the party with the second largest number of seats (though this is periodically not the case).

The sitting PM (usually the leader of the party with the most seats at the last election) is invited to chat with the Monarch.

He or she offers their resignation as PM and recommends the next PM (conventionally the leader with the most seats in the most recent election).

The Monarch chooses to decide as to which member of the Commons is to be his/her Prime Minister after hearing this advice.

In practice the leader of the party with the most seats becomes the Prime Minister.

It becomes a bit more wobbly during a coalition as the sitting Prime Minister may negotiate with a smaller party and deny the marginally more successful (in terms of seats) party leader to remain in power by dint of being the leader with the most seats during the coalition.

If the party of with the largest number of seats removes their leader or the leader resigns during a Parliament the current PM will visit the Sovereign and recommend the next Prime Minister, much like the morning after an election. Usually the new leader of the party then becomes the Prime Minister. The convention in this case is the Chancellor becomes the new leader of the party and therefore the new PM (e.g John Major, Gordon Brown etc).

The departing PM is then offered membership of the highest order of chivalry in their country (The Order of the Garter, The Order of the Thistle etc) and a Peerage (seat in the House of Lords) either or both of which they can decline.

I'm still not sure what happens in the case of aliens killing the sitting Prime Minister or the PM being shot by his.her spouse after a year of world domination that is undone by reversing time.

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hmmm,  interesting.   So technically speaking, the Queen could choose whomever she wants as PM. 

That still doesn't explain how Cameron got elected to Parliament in the first place.    He had to get elected to Parliament before he could become the head of his party, yes? 

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hmmm,  interesting.   So technically speaking, the Queen could choose whomever she wants as PM. 

If an odious far-right Candidate like the BNP leader Nick Griffin got elected as PM (Although this is more or less impossible for the reasons below) then the Queen could indeed refuse to except him as PM and it would be down to who the armed forces sided with to decide if there would be another election. I suspect as her Majesty's armed forces all swear allegiance to her they would back her up. There was talk of a secret millitary coup in the 60s/70s (I forget which PM) that almost happened because they thought the Labour party was in league with Russia.

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That still doesn't explain how Cameron got elected to Parliament in the first place.    He had to get elected to Parliament before he could become the head of his party, yes?

The local party decides on who their candidate will be. A number of factors impact on this: electability, charm, influence, being the husband of the local party chairman's daughter etc etc.

If an area is a "safe seat" (e.g. the area has voted for a candidate from the same party for the last 20 years) then it's effectively the local party officials who select the MP. Of course if they choose to put up Hitler as their candidate they'd lose that seat, so they are constrained to choose somebody that appeals (To some small degree at least) beyond their own party grassroots.

So Cameron coming from a background of wealth and privilege could easily get elected as the candidate by his local party. Then if his seat is "Safe" he's in parliament... boom. It's not a perfect system but it could be much worse. At least this way a local born man/woman with little or no financial backing has the chance of being PM (Just by being well-respected/popular in their local town/city). However the evidence of the current Eton political set suggests otherwise :-(

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TCM remembers 2013 montage.

http://youtu.be/mFWOjWKYdRQ

I got a tear in my eye when they got to Stuart Freeborn and Ray Harryhausen. I think they missed a couple people, (I didn't see Paul Mantee) but they amended last year's montage when that happened.

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Bingowings said:

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 Well that's a real shame.

R.I.P. Lawrence

I’m just here because I’m driving tonight.

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: ( he'll never win his Oscar.  

R.I.P.  Mr. O'Toole

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I bumped into him once walking down Bond Street in Brighton dressed like :

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Another one of my favourite actors dead =(

I may just watch The Dark Angel tonight in his memory.

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I've never watched Billy Jack.  I guess I should.