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Originally posted by: MoBiUs
cheap dual layer media

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Nice link. Verbatim have a high reputation here in the UK - that seems to be a very good price too. Compatibilty rating is decent too (according to dvdrhelp.com).

Hopefully, as if by magic, the compatibilty issues will become more detailed in the very near future...

A little patience goes a long way on this old-school Rebel base. If you are having issues finding what you are looking for, these will be of some help…

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‘How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + FAQs - includes info on how to search for projects and threads on the OT•com

A Project Index for Star Wars Preservations (Harmy’s Despecialized & 4K77/80/83 etc) : A Project Index for Star Wars Fan Edits (adywan & Hal 9000 etc)

… and take your time to look around this site before posting - to get a feel for this place. Don’t just lazily make yet another thread asking for projects.

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"But seriously I agree that that creating a 5.1 track from a source that is definitely not 5.1 will never be worth the effort, and I speak from experience. I have found TR47s PCM track incorporated with Pro Logic of my sound system that "forces" it to a 5.1 experience is more than adeqaute and sounds bloody fantastic, but like Laserman said if someone really wants to make a 5.1, by all means."

That's exactly how I made my 5.1 soundtrack. I used Graphedit to recreate a Pro-Logic II decoder, which extrapolated the 5 different wavetracks. I then encoded these separate eave tracks into an AC3. It's precisely what you would hear when forcing the PCM track through Pro Logic in your sound system - in a much smaller file size. Believe me, I spent a great deal of time perfecting this technique. I don't know how these other 5.1 tracks were made, but I seriously doubt they put as much effort and research into it as I did.

"when I watch both the anamorphic and TR47 versions and see the dust specs"

At one point, I did make my old version anamorphic, but I won't do that again until I get software that allows me to remove the dust specs and visual glitches.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I have to disagree that the laserdisc will be the closest match to what we saw in the cinemas, I have one reel of ESB on 35mm, and the detail on even a crappy print far surpasses the quality of the laserdisc version. How much dust and crap was on your print is a personal experience, some of us got to see gorgeous prints, others probably got worn out awful prints, so it doesn't make sense to me to archive a lower quality print if a better cleaner one was available.
I think the SE's will be much closer to what you saw at the movies as far as picture quality goes, audio is another thing altogether though. The new mix will probably be far superior to the original cinematic release, from an 'archival' viewpoint, that makes it not the same thing.
But then again the movies have the raw power and grunt when it comes to audio, so a stereo track thumping out through 8 - 12 massive speakers at the movies, to get the similar effect at home, a new 5.1 soundtrack may actually give you an experince that *feels* closer to what you originally got at the movies.

I am quite keen to see what they do with the dvd release, but I am only going to rent it, I know that it won't make much difference to Georgie Porgie me not buying it, but it will make a difference to me

I am still considering despecialising the SE DVD if it is at all possible.
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I, too, have no plans to buy the DVD. Hell, I don't even think I've watched any of my SE VHS tapes all the way through.

That being said, I wouldn't mind getting my hands on the SE LD's. It would be much easier to cut/paste from those (though my player can't output the AC3. )

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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MeBeJedi, are your cut/pastings going to bring the edit to be entirely true to the OT or a "best of both worlds" custom edit?
This does sound like a superb idea to further archive the O-OT, I might add.

How much better in picture quality are the SE laserdiscs than the OT laserdiscs?

And one more misc. question:
By how much does a transfer from PAL to NTSC lower quality?


Thanks.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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"are your cut/pastings going to bring the edit to be entirely true to the OT or a "best of both worlds" custom edit?"

Well, for one thing, I do like the new Yavin sequence, so it would be nice to add in a "seamless branching" aspect. It would be easier to add in a DL project.

"How much better in picture quality are the SE laserdiscs than the OT laserdiscs?"

I've not seen them, so I can only assume they would be better overall. I'm much more interested in the 5.1 soundtrack, which I could render to separate waves, reinsert the original dialogue when necessary ("You're lucky you don't taste good"/"Alert my shuttle"), and recompile to AC3 and use for my DVD.

"By how much does a transfer from PAL to NTSC lower quality?"

I really couldn't tell you. I would assume that changing the framerate shouldn't be much harder than converting from 30fps to 24fps, but again, I've never done it.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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The best way to do it is to make a 24fps master from the PAL 25fps source. The PAL source is usually the original 24fps program anyway, just running at 25fps, so its not exactly hard to do.
The other problem with NTSC though is its lower resolution and crappy colour rendition, so you will then have to either resize your master down to NTSC rez, or crop it and lose some of the frame. Either way you are losing some information through interpolation or cutting it off.

Of course if you use a home theatre PC, you can avoid all of these problems and run the PAL master at frame tripled 72fps and get a correct speed, full resolution flicker free luvverly image
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I've heard that when you transfer from PAL to NTSC you will get a ghosting effect on the frames. Won't that happen if you transfer it to 24fps as well? I would be really glad if it didn't.
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Newb here - hope I'm posting this in the right place.

I am interested in a copy of the original trilogy on DVD and as many extras I can get. I was referred here by somebody at another site.

I've browsed this thread and others and I'm confused about the different versions. I want to make sure I get copies that do not have sync issues or missng scenes. They don't need to be anamorphic or 5.1. Just the best widescreen picture and the best 2.0 sound.

I've seen different sets on ebay but never know which one is really what it claims to be and none of them have all the extras. Not sure why, but nobody seems to have collected all the extras into one set. A newer one I have seen is advertised as a cover art auction with free discs. The four hour documentary extras disc is very tempting but alas I don't know how the dics fare. I also don't like the cover art. I am interested in getting cases and artwork with the discs.

Anyway, thanks for the help in adavance.

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"and the best 2.0 sound."

You might want to simply call it stereo PCM, since "2.0" is generally used for Dolby Digital and/or DTS.

"Not sure why, but nobody seems to have collected all the extras into one set."

Depends on what you mean by "all". I just recently got some deleted footage from someone else, including a 2-second scene of 3PO pulling the warning from the door of a room containing wampas in ESB. I love that bit!

What "extras" were you looking for?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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According to your "wishlist" I would recommend TR47´s "7 DVD Ultimate Set". It has the movies on three discs (in 2.35:1 widescreen letterbox format and the original uncompressed PCM sound from the laserdisc), a fourth supplemental extras disc which contains the bonus features from the "Definitive Edition" laserdisc and last but not least there are three extra discs focusing on each of the movies. There you have the original good old documentaries, "The Making Of Star Wars", "SP-FX: The Making Of Empire Strikes Back", "Classic Creatures: The Making Of Return Of The Jedi" and "From Star Wars To Jedi: The Making Of A Saga" as well as tons of other exiting stuff inc. deleted scenes, auditions, interviews, trailers and more.

I´ve got one ordered (hopefully arriving any day now) and I can´t wait. It looks the businezz...

peace,

Rebelscum

peace,

Rebelscum
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Originally posted by: Rebelscum
According to your "wishlist" I would recommend TR47´s "7 DVD Ultimate Set". It has the movies on three discs (in 2.35:1 widescreen letterbox format and the original uncompressed PCM sound from the laserdisc), a fourth supplemental extras disc which contains the bonus features from the "Definitive Edition" laserdisc and last but not least there are three extra discs focusing on each of the movies. There you have the original good old documentaries, "The Making Of Star Wars", "SP-FX: The Making Of Empire Strikes Back", "Classic Creatures: The Making Of Return Of The Jedi" and "From Star Wars To Jedi: The Making Of A Saga" as well as tons of other exiting stuff inc. deleted scenes, auditions, interviews, trailers and more.

I´ve got one ordered (hopefully arriving any day now) and I can´t wait. It looks the businezz...

peace,

Rebelscum


That sounds great. No sync or missing scene issues?

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"the bonus features from the "Definitive Edition" laserdisc"

What about the commentaries?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Obviously I haven´t checked them out myself but from what I´ve read on here and the info I´ve gotten from TR47 there are no sync problems and no missing scenes. The only thing I´ve heard about the TR47 discs is a 3-4 second black pause just before the leia welding scene on ESB (which btw is missing on some other releases). That has something to doo with the original laserdisc "disc-change" if I´m not mistaken. Otherwise those transfers seem to be the best ones out there, really sharp with good colours and I´ve heard really good things about the uncompressed audio.

I´m not an impulsive kind of guy so I´ve read and studied all I can before I parted with my "hard earned". I only want the best available.

peace,

Rebelscum
peace,

Rebelscum
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"the bonus features from the "Definitive Edition" laserdisc"

What about the commentaries?


- That is a certain sacrifice in order to have a better audio and video quality, since we haven´t started to see dual layer transfers yet. Until that happens I´m fine with omitting the commentaries (which I haven´t heard great things about) in order to have a better a/v experience for my OT.

peace,

Rebelscum
peace,

Rebelscum
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Originally posted by: Rebelscum
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"the bonus features from the "Definitive Edition" laserdisc"

What about the commentaries?


- That is a certain sacrifice in order to have a better audio and video quality, since we haven´t started to see dual layer transfers yet. Until that happens I´m fine with omitting the commentaries (which I haven´t heard great things about) in order to have a better a/v experience for my OT.

peace,

Rebelscum


ITA Rebelscum- give me the better audio.

How have people purchased this set? Does it come with artwork and cases?

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Well I ordered mine from TR47 himself (he posts on here regulary and you can contact him directly). Another one I know who has been selling OT SW sets is Rikter, who also posts on here. You can send them PM´s and see what they have to offer. Go to their profiles and you can see the info there.

As far as I know the sets don´t come in cases with artwork. It´s a do-it-yourself kinda thing and I like that. You do the package according to your own taste.

peace,

Rebelscum
peace,

Rebelscum
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To comment on the 'commentary-track issue', I have the anarmorphic set which does include this extra. I've only yet had time to check out ANH, but the commentary track on it is very sparse. Loooooong stretches goes by with no comments being made. So all-in-all it's no big sacrifice to drop it to get better sound-quality IMHO
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PM seems to be down, at least for TR47.

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cardaway: I'd definitely go with Rikter, as he'll send you the set, with cases and covers for a little more if you ask him. There's several different covers for all of the different varities of OOT discs, although the TR47 7-Disc Set might only have one. Get in touch with him for all the details. He's a busy man with a family, so it might take a couple days, but I can easily recommend him, since I have dealt with him in the past.
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I'm sorry, but you have confused me. Are you saying Rikter has the same 7 TR47 discs and adds the covers. I'm reading it as he has different discs.
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Originally posted by: Rebelscum
Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
(asking about the supplementary material of TR47's Ultimate Set)
"the bonus features from the "Definitive Edition" laserdisc"

What about the commentaries?


- That is a certain sacrifice in order to have a better audio and video quality, since we haven´t started to see dual layer transfers yet. Until that happens I´m fine with omitting the commentaries (which I haven´t heard great things about) in order to have a better a/v experience for my OT.

peace,

Rebelscum


The supplemental disc in TR47's Ultimate Set contains the Definitive Collection extras INCLUDING the scenes with commentary, but not the trailers as they are spread out over the other three bonus discs. I know this for sure because I created these extras discs specifically to compliment the original TR47 Trilogy. Feel free to contact me for complete info.

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I've just finished downloading Farsight's Anamorphic Return of the Jedi.

First impressions:

It looks about as nice as you can expect an Anamorphic version made from from a non anamorphic, analog source to look. It's been my experience with the Anamorphic versions of the trilogy that they alwways tend to look soft. This is an unavoidable side effect of converting a non anamorphic source into anamorphic. That being said, this "problem" is more noticeable if you're watching the dvd on a standard 4:3 TV set, as opposed to a 16:9 TV. On my 21" Trinitron, the movie looks soft, on my 16:9 34" HD, it looks considerably better, though still on the softish side.

Sound:

It sounds really nice. It's especially nice to have the AC-3 track on this one.

Glitches or errors:

There's only one problem that I've come across thus far, and that's subtitles. The subtitles have been redone, which is to be expected. However, some of them are missing. Notably, when 3PO and R2 deliver the message, Jabba's line "I like Captain Solo where he is" (or something to that effect) is missing. Also, on some players (like the panasonic 5 disc progressive scan player hooked up to the 16:9 TV) the subtitles don't come up by default, you have to select them to turn them on. Not a huge issue, but kind of annoying.

Overall, it's a very nice version of Jedi. I certainly prefer it to the other Anamorphic version available. There aren't any menus or extras, but that's no biggee, especially when you've exchanged them for better sound and a higher bitrate on the image. All it needs is that one missing subtitle fixed.

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Hey, cardaway.

PM seems to be down right now. Contact me directly at rwafford1 at yahoo.com for more info on the sets. Of course put the @ symbol in place of at . I do that to evade email bots.
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"I've only yet had time to check out ANH, but the commentary track on it is very sparse. Loooooong stretches goes by with no comments being made. So all-in-all it's no big sacrifice to drop it to get better sound-quality IMHO "

I made a submenu that jumps to each scene at the beginning of the commentary. No waiting necessary.

"the subtitles don't come up by default, you have to select them to turn them on."

I went ahead and burned my own Greedo subtitles into the MPEG so I wouldn't have to worry about this. I wonder if DVDLab could let me "force" subtitles on, just like I "force" the commentary soundtrack when you enter the commentary submenu. I'll have to check.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>