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Originally posted by: Infinity
Rikter,

Thanks for the reply. The fact that you are using a LCD front projector is probably one of the reasons the anamorphic set looks better than the TR47 version. As I said before I am awaiting the anamorphic set to see which I personally prefer. I would agree that the quality from one version to another greatly depend on the equipment people are using. I only have a 32" TV, so who knows if I'll even notice a difference between the two. I will be taking both versions over to a couple of friends houses who have much better equipment than myself to do a comparison (one has a Sanyo Z1 front projector and the other has a 50" Hitachi LCD Rear Projection HDTV). All of our sets are calibrated using AVIA. The one advantage my setup has is that I have two identical dvd players hooked up, so its extremely easy to sync up both versions and flip back and forth to compare; where on my friends setups we'll have to watch a few minutes, then swap discs and watch the same scene again. Anyway, I'll be sure to post my opinion in the thread you mentioned.

EDIT: Again, no hard feelings - I was just a little confused.


No hard feelings it's just that these are home created DVD's and TOO many folks expect SO SO MUCH more then is really possible coming from ANALOGUE Laserdiscs

PLEASE post a review as IF you do that and take some screenshots - It'll put an end to the debate of 'WHICH IS BETTER?" - I'll host the pictures if need be

RiK

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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I assume you just mean some screen grabs via the computer? As taking pics of them on the tv/projector screen isn't likely to give people much of an idea of the quality...
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hey Rikter...
which set of the Star Wars laserdiscs do you have...
i have the faces set and i was curious if by any chance you had older versions?
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hey Rikter...
which set of the Star Wars laserdiscs do you have...
i have the faces set and i was curious if by any chance you had older versions?


I have the Faces (open and my favorite set ), Definitive (sealed), Widescreen Versions (just got em off eBay) and the Special Edition Box Set.

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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I'll tell you one thing. I just upgraded my Infocus 4800 to a 4805 and my old Toshiba 57HX81 widescreen looks way better for playing these DVD's. With something like this you can't really blow them up that big. It really shows all the faults to much for my tastes.

Rikter is right though, people do expect way to much out of these DVD's.

BTW i have always used the DVE set up discs.

“You know, when you think about it, the Ewoks probably just crap over the sides of their tree-huts.”

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I have the Faces (open and my favorite set ), Definitive (sealed), Widescreen Versions (just got em off eBay) and the Special Edition Box Set.


damn!
thats some collection..
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I have the Faces (open and my favorite set ), Definitive (sealed), Widescreen Versions (just got em off eBay) and the Special Edition Box Set.


damn!
thats some collection..


That's not counting my VHS, CED, VCD and UN-Official DVDr collections

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And yet not one copy of Brotherhood of the Wolf...j/k Rik. That's the most exhaustive collection I've heard of. Are you the "star Wars kid?" Your IPod is on its way.
16 years I wait and this is what I get???
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That's not counting my VHS, CED, VCD and UN-Official DVDr collections



can you adopt me?
lol
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Hi Rikter,

Thanks for the information. I know the dual layer tests weren't satisfactory enough, but I was wondering a couple of things.

Where you able to set the layer break where you wanted or did the authoring software put one in where it thought it should go? How did the DVD Player handle the layer switch?

These are pretty important questions as I was reading some information on Dual Layered burners on VideoHelp.com and some were disappointed with their tests because they couldn't control where the layer break was inserted.

When I did my two disc versions, I chose these points in the films as disc break points.
1.) Hope - Disc one ends right after Tarken says, "Terminate her immediately!"
2.) Empire - Disc one ends right after you see Yoda's concerned expression just before Luke peeks in the hole of The Magic Tree.
3.) Jedi - Disc one ends right after Han tells 3PO, "Hurry up. I haven't got all day.". I probably should have ended that one a little sooner though as the disc ended up over an hour and turned out to be 4.75GB. It still played fine on my player though.

Thanks.

Patrick
"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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The current reviews of dual layer DVD*Rs I've read all listed their current compatibility rate with existing players at more or less an abysmal 45% or so... personally, I wouldn't take one of the currently made dual layer DVD*Rs for free.

OK, so I would take it *for free* if only to see if my player accepts it.
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Well I don't know about free, but $68 ain't bad. These things are cheap! The issues you're talking about could be worked out in drivers. I am kind of bummed that they are only supporting the dvd+r format with dual layer so far, though by Christmas DVD-r is supposed to get on board (by that time hopefully the discs themselves should drop in price).


$68 dual layer DVD burner

Dual Layer supported DVD "backup" software
16 years I wait and this is what I get???
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The screen in the making (that's my beautiful baby girl and my NOT so pretty brother )


Dude, your brother is teh hawtness!
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ve had a factory punch set out for some time and its review is on the prillamn webitsite and just to let you know this was not a garge bas project we used the best punch clone 5 dvd rep machines that cost arround 1.2 million yes 1.2 million us dollars
what we found was the better your master source the better your transfer period!!!!!!!!
i was walked through the process and even had the honor of being invited to go for a boat ride during the process
the only thing i can say about my set is the MENU SUCKSSSSSSSS but the vid and audio are right up there and the over all package
you get blows all known dvdr sets out of the water for 35.00 bucks shiped with a aswome fold out chapter insert that my brother did a kickass job on the lay out for the disc art and covers

not that the dvdrs suck they look good on most tvs but for the same amount of money that people pay get something that looks good also in your shelves in your home

goto go it is my turn to call home

god bless
kris aka kristhemovieman
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can we have some comparison screenshots?
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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The big upside with the Dual Layer shouldn't really be improved picture quality--there's only so much you can do with the source material, being as it's coming from a laserdisc.

it's the extra space for the sound. Basically, if you're doing Dual Layer, you should be able to stick a fair amount of extras, get rid of some dot crawl and artificating and chroma noise, and that'll leave enough room for the PCM track along with a 2.0 track. That would be the major benefit of an LD rip on Dual Layer. Improved picture shouldn't be the main aim for a Laserdisc rip--as has been shown with the anamorphic set, you're not going to improve on it enough to where just picture quality is a main issue.

Sound quality, on the other hand, should dramatically improve. If you're good, you should be able to matrix out a 5.1 soundtrack from that PCM track and get it sounding better than the regular 2.0 surround, and still have room for slightly improved anamorphic video.

The aim here seems off. Don't abandon Dual Layer transfers just because you can't get the pic lightyears better than LD.
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I'm surprised there havn't been dual layered dvds which contain the anamorphic and TR47 (letterbox) versions popping up on ebay and the like.

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"Wasn't there just a whole thread arguing about the LD source being only in 2.0, so any 5.1 mix would be an extrapolation of that, making the whol enterprise kinda pointless? Doesn't a 5.1 mix of of a 2.0 source just eat up extra space on the disc?"

"now, shouldnt the 2.0 source function as dolby pro logic surround, but not dolby digital? thats still a pretty decent surround sound mix"

To answer both questions...PCM isn't really "2.0". The SW soundtrack is a matrixed stereo soundtrack. If you listen to commercial DVD's that have a DD2.0 and a PCM soundtrack (i.e Young Guns), the PCM soundtrack will sound much better when Pro-logic decoded, at least in my experience. Most DVD magazine reviews I've read about DD2.0 soundtracks describe them as sounding like "big fat mono".

I found a program that simulates a Pro-logic II decoder, and ran the LD PCM soundtrack through it. This created a 6-channel .WAV (also uncompressed, like the original PCM track.) After this, I split the 6-chan wav into 6 separate channels, creating the soundtrack that would normally be heard from a Pro-logic II receiver.

I then took these 6 separate channels (actually 5, since the low frequency effects, or ".1" sountrack, remained within the first 5 soundtracks) and created a 5.1 DD soundtrack. Now I have a 5.1 soundtrack similar to the PCM track when PLII decoded, but it takes up a fraction of the space taken up by a PCM stereo track. The more space I can devote to the video, the better.

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No no no, use ALL the space for the ultimate in sound and picture quality. Uncompressed PCM sound, the highest bitrate video and no gimmiks (menus, commentary, 5.1, etc). That would be the ultimate set.
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Go right on ahead. No one's stopping you.

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<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

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We used stienberg to do the 5.1 audio also when using the software you can make your own adjustments to the audio if you take the time to watch the movie ..for example tie fighter flys past ship flys towards rear of other ship ..but the audio doesnt do much to help get the scene across so you go in and adjust the audio to make you feel like the tie just blew past you and is now behind you ect

We are working on it I should be home the first week of Sept and will make things right at work then im taking 3 weeks off and going to Singapore for some stuff........After that im going to make things right for the 3rd batch run (attempt please note) will have more hands on ect and a BETTER MASTER SOURCE
OTHER THAN LD TO WORK WITH!!!! but i havnt given up with the ld master source ether

pcm audio track was used to source the 5.1 (sorry i should have stated that from the top)

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Kris, is "Steinberg" the software you are using to create the 5.1 soundtrack?

[EDIT] Nevermind, I just Yahooed it. $1,00o bucks just for the encoder? Damn! Vegas has it built-in.

How did you create your 5 streams from the PCM?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>