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Hello,


The link below explains the difference between CAV and CLV Laserdiscs. I prefer The Definitive Collection (DC) LD's which are CAV.
CAV vs CLV
The DC set uses the same masters as the THX Faces CLV LD's which came out sometime later. The only problem is that the Definitive Collection had the problem of the missing Leia footage in the first pressing. I got lucky when I got mine. If you go after the DC set, make sure to ask the person if the footage is there or not. Also, the DC has all of the extras. Now, I have a friend who is using both sets to do their conversion because the DC set is a little tough to IVTC properly because of the pattern getting thrown off during the side breaks. Check the link for more information on IVTC. Also, do a search for Star Wars Conversion on the site and you will see a huge thread at here that discusses how others are doing the conversions.

As far as the C-3PO and the "Close the blastdoors!" lines, I would use the Special Edition LD's for those if you have access to them. It may be a little pain, but you could extract the audio for those two lines from the SE LD's and insert them into your Original Version conversions.

As far as Laserdisc Players go, I would go for one from Pioneer. I have the CLD-D703 which I consider to be second best non Elite LD Player they made. The D704 is exactly the same as the D703, but it features AC-3. However, the D703 can be modified. One of the best LD Players to get is the Elite '97 in my opinion. There is actually a huge argument between Elite '97 and Elite '99 owners over which is the best player. I don't remember where it is at, but someone also had a link to a gold colored LD Player that was something like $5000. That is too much for me though. The Elites are pretty expensive as it is. This link has a large amount of information on various Laserdisc Players divided up by brand.

I have done one conversion myself which I was happy with until I saw how much better others could do. I used the S-Video out of my LD Player and connected it to my ADVC-100 DV Capture device. I noticed there was a lot of dot crawl in the reds and other bright colors. Since LD is a composite format and my player has inferior Y/C separation compared to my capture device, I'm going to use composite instead of S-Video. I may even invest in a WinFast TV2000 Expert card because I believe it can capture in the 4:2:2 colorspace instead of the 4:1:1 colorspace that my ADVC-100 is limited to.

Anyway, I hope this information helps.

Patrick
"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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Hi Itchy,

If you have some files that are MPEG-2, you should be able to load them into a DVD Authoring program like DVD-Lab or Sonic's MyDVD as long as they are within the DVD specs. This link can give more information on the compliant DVD resolutions. The audio should be at 48000 Kbps.

As far as AVI's go, you will need an encoder like TMPGEnc Plus to convert them to MPEG-2. After that, you could use an authoring program to author the MPEG-2 files to DVD.

Hope that helps.

Patrick
"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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Like Patrick said, unless your files are already DVD compliant MPEG-2 you will need to encode. I use TMPGEnc Plus to encode, Ulead DVD Workshop or DVD-Lab to author, and Nero Ultra to burn.
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Originally posted by: Itchy
These files are standard avi and mpeg, not mpeg-2. So basically they have to be mpeg-2 to work on a DVD? Are any of these programs free? Remember I'm not looking for anything fancy, just decent quality and sound , and maybe a simple menu. I can make a menu through TMPGEnc right? I thought TMPGEnc does authoring too? Am I wrong?


- TMPGEnc3XP will encode your video for you (there are also a few settings that you can change to help improve the resulting picture - soften block noise is one of them )

- TMPGEncDVDAuthor will do what you ask - You can input MPEG1 or MPEG2 and then Edit the files - then Author a MOTION menu - THEN you can use NERO to burn the resulting VIDEO_TS folder

I will help you do it - I have all the needed software and MORE - So I'd love to help

PM me about the DVD conversion stuff

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Hey Rikter,

I have one question concerning the Motion Search Precision setting on TMPEnc Plus. I have been used to using Highest Quality (Very Slow), but people have been telling me that High Quality (Slow) is much faster and that they don't see a difference. I loaded up a movie and started an encode just to see how long it would take and notice that the time was almost cut in half. I didn't encode the file though as it still would have taken a few hours. Which setting do you use?

As for Soften Block Noise, I really don't like that because it also softens the picture. I guess a low number in that setting won't hurt too much.

Thanks.

Patrick
"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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Hey for all you DVD guys...I have an interesting option that could help improve picture quality drastically.

After the video is captured, you could attempt (this would require mammoth HD space) to import the video into an editing program (e.g. Adobe Premiere) and use its color balancing and attempt to sharpen the picture up. I've been able to work some interesting results with my own work and in the hands of an experienced person, could touch up the films nicely. Plus, you'd be able to test the side breaks and get them perfect.

Also, it can export the file as a DVD video file so all you'd need to do is burn the disc. Dunno if this has been covered already, just FYI
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Originally posted by: Patrick R.
Hey Rikter,

I have one question concerning the Motion Search Precision setting on TMPEnc Plus. I have been used to using Highest Quality (Very Slow), but people have been telling me that High Quality (Slow) is much faster and that they don't see a difference. I loaded up a movie and started an encode just to see how long it would take and notice that the time was almost cut in half. I didn't encode the file though as it still would have taken a few hours. Which setting do you use?

As for Soften Block Noise, I really don't like that because it also softens the picture. I guess a low number in that setting won't hurt too much.

Thanks.

Patrick


Patrick - I use High Quality (Slow) myself - I also set it to 2nd pass VBR, deinterlace and output as progressive (only IF the source is VHS or LD) and set the audio to PCM if my source is a CLEAN stereo or If I filter the audio (Adobe+Goldwave)

And As for the Soften Block Noise - I only use it when converting a LOW quality source like a downloaded AVI or QT (fanfilms and stuff like that) I use the setting at 15 x 15

RiK


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Sorry. I just noticed that I posted the same thing twice.

Patrick
"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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Originally posted by: Rikter
Patrick - I use High Quality (Slow) myself - I also set it to 2nd pass VBR, deinterlace and output as progressive (only IF the source is VHS or LD) and set the audio to PCM if my source is a CLEAN stereo or If I filter the audio (Adobe+Goldwave)

And As for the Soften Block Noise - I only use it when converting a LOW quality source like a downloaded AVI or QT (fanfilms and stuff like that) I use the setting at 15 x 15

RiK


Thanks for the information Rikter. I've never tried the deinterlace filter. What I usually do is an Inverse Telecine by setting the Encode Mode to 3:2 pulldown when playback and Frame Rate to 23.976 fps (internally 29.97 fps). On the Advanced Tab, I set IVTC filter to on and for its settings I choose Auto Setting. In Auto Setting I choose 24fps (Flicker prioritized) and Deinterlace: None. I didn't do any deinterlacing because I've heard the films are Telecined and not Interlaced. By doing IVTC, it turns it into progressive and throws out the duplicate frames created during the Telecine process. That way, more bitrate is applied to the frames that are left and improves the quality since the bitrate is applied per second and not per frame.

As far as the interviews, I left them alone because they are a mixed source of Telecine and Interlace. The interview footage is Interlaced and the movie clips are Telecined.

I use 2 pass VBR as well as it provides a smaller filesize and I was noticing jumps in the video when I used Constant Quality.

I may try Deinterlace sometime to see how it turns out.

I also wanted to mention that those with both the Original and SE LD's or VHS may have to mix and match another part. In ESB, the sound effect of the Snowspeeder spinning out of control is not in the Definitive Collection or Faces LD's or Faces VHS tapes. It is in the original film and in the SE LD's and VHS tapes. I wonder if that is mentioned on the flaw list.

Thanks.

Patrick



"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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Rikter,

DVDs are in ... Thanks alot.
Can't wait untill next month when I can order the Magnoliafan Edit.

Thanks, DVDs work like a charm. And look pretty darn good. Sound is fine too.

Cheers.

PS: This might be too much information but I had goosebumps and *hard* nipples when the intro started
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Originally posted by: Patrick R.
I also wanted to mention that those with both the Original and SE LD's or VHS may have to mix and match another part. In ESB, the sound effect of the Snowspeeder spinning out of control is not in the Definitive Collection or Faces LD's or Faces VHS tapes. It is in the original film and in the SE LD's and VHS tapes. I wonder if that is mentioned on the flaw list.

Thanks.

Patrick

Do you mean the snowspeeder that Veers guns down just before blowing up the power generator?

Although I haven't spent nearly the amount of time researching the other films as I have the original Star Wars, I'm sure this is another sound mix issue. The ESB SE also uses Luke's line "You're lucky to get out of there" as opposed to the more conventional "You're lucky you don't taste very good" after the swamp monster spits out R2. Some people thought the line was changed and added for the SE, it was not. It was there all along, just in another sound mix. Which mix I'm not sure, 70mm perhaps. It is also in the original "Story of" recording for ESB.

Another instance of this is in ROTJ. When Lando is being pulled into the Sarlacc Han says "It's alright, trust me" but in the SE he says "It's alright, I can see a lot better." Just another difference between sound mixes and again we find the SE line in the original "Story of" album.

So it's difficult to say what the "complete" version of each film is. I think it really comes down to personal preference. But I find it all to be very fascinating.

Scott
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The ESB SE also uses Luke's line "You're lucky to get out of there" as opposed to the more conventional "You're lucky you don't taste very good" after the swamp monster spits out R2. Some people thought the line was changed and added for the SE, it was not. It was there all along, just in another sound mix. Which mix I'm not sure, 70mm perhaps. It is also in the original "Story of" recording for ESB.



Are you 100% sure about this? I thought it was one of the many superfluous SE changes. I don't recall Luke ever saying that before the SE version, but I have not watched all of the LD/VHS versions, either. Needless to say the change is still annoying-the original line was much better.
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Originally posted by: TR47
Are you 100% sure about this? I thought it was one of the many superfluous SE changes. I don't recall Luke ever saying that before the SE version, but I have not watched all of the LD/VHS versions, either. Needless to say the change is still annoying-the original line was much better.

Yes, 100% sure. I have the original story of ESB cassette from 1980 sitting next to me. However, the SE was the first time to my knowledge that the line shows up on home video.

But I do agree that "You're lucky you don't taste very good" is much better.

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Has anyone here seen this? Seems Shaw's out and Hayden's in.

Now I KNOW I won't buy the DVD's.

Riktor, my browser doesn't read "Web Archive" formats. How can I look at your list?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Sound list Rik - could this be the beginning of your SW website?


Great 'Pre - A New Hope Star Wars MagnoliaFan Edit' cover in the Covers thread too. Especially like the bar code bit. lol

The blurb on the back cover sells it well - cool MF logo too

A little patience goes a long way on this old-school Rebel base. If you are having issues finding what you are looking for, these will be of some help…

Welcome to the OriginalTrilogy.com | Introduce yourself in here | Useful info within : About : Help : Site Rules : Fan Project Rules : Announcements
‘How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + FAQs - includes info on how to search for projects and threads on the OT•com

A Project Index for Star Wars Preservations (Harmy’s Despecialized & 4K77/80/83 etc) : A Project Index for Star Wars Fan Edits (adywan & Hal 9000 etc)

… and take your time to look around this site before posting - to get a feel for this place. Don’t just lazily make yet another thread asking for projects.

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*sighs heavily at the Hayden ghost thing*

I can't say I have a strong opinion, seeing as I've completely given up with an official OT related ANYTHING anymore.

I have my Rikter TR47 set (albiet with minor errors) and I've satisfied.


The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith
A New Hope
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi

*sheds tear*

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
*sighs heavily at the Hayden ghost thing*

I can't say I have a strong opinion, seeing as I've completely given up with an official OT related ANYTHING anymore.

I have my Rikter TR47 set (albiet with minor errors) and I've satisfied.


The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith
A New Hope
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi

*sheds tear*


- Dude I paid for em already
*shakes head* Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccccccccccccc..........


“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Rikter, I probably should put this in the other thread but your Magnolia Fan **true Star Wars Pre-ANH** dvd, does it have the footage of Luke throwing the grapple hook once or twice?

I'm just asking, cause that would have been cool if he edited that in some how.
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
Rikter, I probably should put this in the other thread but your Magnolia Fan **true Star Wars Pre-ANH** dvd, does it have the footage of Luke throwing the grapple hook once or twice?

I'm just asking, cause that would have been cool if he edited that in some how.

What would be the point? It never happened.
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I'm going to say it did just so we can go on for a few pages about nothing worth talking about.

"Don't rock the boat mother f**ker. You know I can't swim."

“You know, when you think about it, the Ewoks probably just crap over the sides of their tree-huts.”

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He only throws the hook once.
The Pre ANH disc is just an exact recreation of the VHS bootleg.
If I were to alter a scene like that , it would actually be for my own edit of EP IV, which will be done after I have the dvds and know more concrete on EP III.

BTW, I guess someone on these boards has a reel to reel version of that scene in question.
If it manages to get transferred to a more useable format and passed my way, it'd be appreciated.

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Originally posted by: Mackey256
I'm going to say it did just so we can go on for a few pages about nothing worth talking about.

I'll do it, you know.
Greedo shoots first? Not in my DVD player.