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My main question is whether or not the welding scene is done properly. TR47's has it, but it also has a 2-second gap before it which is somewhat jarring...
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Originally posted by: svenge
My main question is whether or not the welding scene is done properly. TR47's has it, but it also has a 2-second gap before it which is somewhat jarring...


The Prillaman review doesn't make any mention of this Is there really a noticeable side change on the TR47 set?

Thanks for any info!
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A few weeks ago, when visiting a local electronics flea market, I peeked at the stands with the, ahem, "unofficial" DVDs, etc., and, to my surprise, saw the SW trilogy on a single, DVD-9 (pressed), with a hologram on cover (!)... as it turned out, most pirates had them. I got them from the first one who had them, and he assured me these were the original versions, not the SEs. The disc cost the same as all pressed pirate DVDs with new films cost there, which is about the equivalent of 5 USD, but in case anyone comes across it anywhere, even for 1 cent or the equivalent in any currency... STAY AWAY. Not only are these *not* the original versions, but - even though they're anamorphic widescreen, in Dolby Digital 5.1, all text in the films - including the crawls and even the titles - is in, of all things - ugh! - German. Yuk! Horrible. I wanted to throw the thing away, but ended up giving the disc to my nephew.

Here's what it looks like, so that you know what to avoid - the cover says "3 in 1 - Star Wars Trilogy" - and has Vader's mask on a golden background, with a hologram in the corner. The disc itself says "Star Wars" and has Luke, Han and Leia, with Vader and others in the background. Amusingly enough, it bears the standard "unauthorised copying prohibited" line around the edge. It's R0, PAL, and it's crap.
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Just an FYI...

There are problems currently with dual-layer burners.

Apparently it takes a longer amount of time for the laser to realign for the DVD+R DL's than it would for a regular dual-layer disc.

It may be better to let it wait for a bit before jumping.
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^^^ Agreed. I can wait.

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I'm pretty sure it isn't the same voice y'know! The recording quality on the SE one sounds fresher as well suggesting it was done comparatively recently.

Anyway I'll try and get this recorded and will sort something out for everyone next week.

Patrick, private messenging is now on!

Cheers!

- John
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What do you mean by not the same voice? The voice that says "close the blast doors" is certainly not the same voice that says "open the blast doors." But "close the blast doors" was not recorded or re-recorded for the Special Edition. That line, in the exact same voice, is in the original 1977 theatrical release.

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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
Just an FYI...

There are problems currently with dual-layer burners.

Apparently it takes a longer amount of time for the laser to realign for the DVD+R DL's than it would for a regular dual-layer disc.

It may be better to let it wait for a bit before jumping.


I agree. Someone posted a link to a review for the Sony DRU-700 which is a DL model and the DVD burned fine. However, the compatibility with set top DVD Players was not encouraging. They tested the disc on 21 different players and many would not even read the disc. Even a lot of DVD-Rom's wouldn't read it. The reviewer said he figured the compatibility percentage was around 43% instead of the over 90% that the + camp touts. Also, the media is expensive and hard to find. The link is here:
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There are tons of questions and battles about which is better between + and -. My personal choice is -, for now because that is what my burner is. So far, I haven't had any problems with it on my DVD-Player. A friend sent me a +R and I was also able to play it in the same DVD-Player. As far as the review goes, it is not encouraging, but that also doesn't mean that it should be taken at 100%. The reviewer even says so. They also say that if the book type could be switched to DVD-Rom, the results would have probably been more encouraging. Also, this is the first player to come along in this format. Another writer brand may work better or even something small like a firmware upgrade or different brand of media may improve results. It is really too early to tell.

I'm waiting on a dual layer writer that can do dual layer + and -. That way, all bases are covered. Dash is behind Plus right now, but they do have a dual layer format in the works. I hope they are behind because they want to make sure they get everything worked out. I may not even buy the first generation dual layer dual format drive. I want to make sure all of the bugs are worked out.

The other thing to keep in mind is that dual layer is a whole new ballgame. Just because my player can play both + and -R's doesn't mean it will play either DL + or - R's.

The other things I want to point out about + and - R's and RW's is that there are a lot of factors that affect compatibility. The first is the media itself. If you buy dirt cheap media of any type, that could be a factor. Someone asked what cheap media could affect. As far as I know, it should only factor in the burning process where you only end up making coasters. However, it could have some playability problems if the media is so cheap that there are a lot of errors in it. Alot of people use a program called DVD Info Pro which checks media for errors. What you put on the media could also have an affect. For some reason, my DVD Player cannot handle AC-3 files made with BeSweet while others can. BeSweet is a good program, but it does produce non standard AC-3 files. I tested one of the Torrents and didn't have a problem with it's AC-3 file. Having a bitrate that goes over spec. could also cause problems. The software used could also be at fault. So, there are a lot of things to consider. That is one reason I always been to an RW first and watch it all the way through before committing to a write once DVD.

As far as DVD Players go. All of the ones made in the last few years are supposed to play both + and -. My Pioneer from '99 plays both. My Toshiba from '98 won't play anything but Hollywood DVD's. Some older players can play +, but many are supposed to play -.

My personal preference right now is -, but I have no dislike for + either. Each has their own advantages like + single layer R's and RW's not having to be finalized. That is why I want a burner that does dual layer in both formats. Again, I can't say enough that I recommend using an RW to test with before committing to a write once disc unless you have been doing this a long time, have a project you've already been successful with and just copying it to another disc, or you have plenty of write once discs laying around.

As far as which is better. I cannot answer that as everyone has their own preference based on results. One person may have only had good luck with + and another only with -. I only have the means to make -R's and -RW's right now. When I have the means to make both, I will.

Thanks.

Patrick

I had to make a correction. The article I linked to said overall success rate with standalone players was 43% instead of 70%. Also, +R is supposed to be 90% compatible. I don't know what the +R camp says about +R DL.
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Hello everbody!

I just had a HUGE update to my STAR WARS: PRESERVATION The DVDr collection - if your interested in a new list (it's a word doc.) of my titles PLEASE email me at rikter_blaksvn@yahoo.com

I will give all the details via email -

Here's a sample of the new titles

- Star Wars: Episode I - Balance of the Force - A Phantom Edit
MagnoliaFan Edition

- Star Wars: Episode II - The Clone War - A Phantom Edit
MagnoliaFan Edition

- Star Wars: The Making of Star Wars - 1977

- Star Wars: Vintage Toy Commercials - 1977/1995

- Star Wars: SP FX: The Empire Strikes Back - 1983

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This is the menu of the Crap Version, alias the "3-in-1" pirate:

http://68.224.198.58:8080/~jaime/pics/crap.jpg
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^ So many errors

Cheers SammyTB - I hope you already have a decent version to watch to console yourself...

A little patience goes a long way on this old-school Rebel base. If you are having issues finding what you are looking for, these will be of some help…

Welcome to the OriginalTrilogy.com | Introduce yourself in here | Useful info within : About : Help : Site Rules : Fan Project Rules : Announcements
‘How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + FAQs - includes info on how to search for projects and threads on the OT•com

A Project Index for Star Wars Preservations (Harmy’s Despecialized & 4K77/80/83 etc) : A Project Index for Star Wars Fan Edits (adywan & Hal 9000 etc)

… and take your time to look around this site before posting - to get a feel for this place. Don’t just lazily make yet another thread asking for projects.

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I wonder if it would be worthwhile to upload a torrent of the missing Leia welding footage from ESB. I captured it from the Definitive Collection LD's I have and it only amounts to around 47 megs even with the overlap that I left to make it easier to edit back in. The big problem is that the second VOB is going to have to be converted back to an AVI file and the footage edited back in. Also, there are two audio tracks to worry about. Fortunately, there is no commentary during that part. Is it a lot of trouble to upload a torrent? If not, I would upload it as an AVI, since it is better to edit AVI's together instead of MPEG's.

Patrick
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Can you convert a PAL DVD to NTSC with a program like DVD Shrink or something else of its caliber?

And will it play OK on my NTSC TV?

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Originally posted by: Patrick R.
I wonder if it would be worthwhile to upload a torrent of the missing Leia welding footage from ESB. I captured it from the Definitive Collection LD's I have and it only amounts to around 47 megs even with the overlap that I left to make it easier to edit back in. The big problem is that the second VOB is going to have to be converted back to an AVI file and the footage edited back in. Also, there are two audio tracks to worry about. Fortunately, there is no commentary during that part. Is it a lot of trouble to upload a torrent? If not, I would upload it as an AVI, since it is better to edit AVI's together instead of MPEG's.

Patrick


That would be awesome dude, if you uploaded the missing footage in AVI. Although based on my video editing knowledge, if were were to uncompress the relevant VOB file, add-in the missing footage, then re-export it as an AVI, and then re-encode as a VOB, wouldn't that cause that entire VOB to be "more comnpressed" and hence less video quality thatn before. I may be wrong so that's why I am asking.

I don't suppose you could create a tutorial for the entire process. I'm pretty good at video editing, but I've never done anything as far as encoding to burn as a DVD-Video, or encoding Dolby Digital sound tracks.

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That would be awesome dude, if you uploaded the missing footage in AVI. Although based on my video editing knowledge, if were were to uncompress the relevant VOB file, add-in the missing footage, then re-export it as an AVI, and then re-encode as a VOB, wouldn't that cause that entire VOB to be "more comnpressed" and hence less video quality thatn before. I may be wrong so that's why I am asking.

I don't suppose you could create a tutorial for the entire process. I'm pretty good at video editing, but I've never done anything as far as encoding to burn as a DVD-Video, or encoding Dolby Digital sound tracks.

RATLSNAKE


I'm not sure about being more compressed. I've never done this before, so there is a good chance that it could be. The best thing to happen would be for the person who created the original torrents to take the footage and add it in to their raw captured AVI files and reencode ESB. I have no way of contacting them, but I am hoping that they can do that or that someone with more knowledge than me could accomplish the edit properly and repost the corrected torrent.

I wish I could create a guide, but I have never done this before. I do know that something like DVtoAVI or whatever it is called would need to be used to convert the VOB back to an AVI. I just don't know about the commentary track. I'm still trying to figure out exactly how they added that and synced it up to the video. I didn't have any problem with mine because I only did the regular PCM track. I guess they had to capture each movie twice and save the wav file from each audio track. Beyond that, I'm not sure what they did unless there is some way you can have two audio tracks in Virtual Dub.

Patrick

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Originally posted by: Patrick R.
Originally posted by: RATLSNAKE
That would be awesome dude, if you uploaded the missing footage in AVI. Although based on my video editing knowledge, if were were to uncompress the relevant VOB file, add-in the missing footage, then re-export it as an AVI, and then re-encode as a VOB, wouldn't that cause that entire VOB to be "more comnpressed" and hence less video quality thatn before. I may be wrong so that's why I am asking.

I don't suppose you could create a tutorial for the entire process. I'm pretty good at video editing, but I've never done anything as far as encoding to burn as a DVD-Video, or encoding Dolby Digital sound tracks.

RATLSNAKE


I'm not sure about being more compressed. I've never done this before, so there is a good chance that it could be. The best thing to happen would be for the person who created the original torrents to take the footage and add it in to their raw captured AVI files and reencode ESB. I have no way of contacting them, but I am hoping that they can do that or that someone with more knowledge than me could accomplish the edit properly and repost the corrected torrent.

I wish I could create a guide, but I have never done this before. I do know that something like DVtoAVI or whatever it is called would need to be used to convert the VOB back to an AVI. I just don't know about the commentary track. I'm still trying to figure out exactly how they added that and synced it up to the video. I didn't have any problem with mine because I only did the regular PCM track. I guess they had to capture each movie twice and save the wav file from each audio track. Beyond that, I'm not sure what they did unless there is some way you can have two audio tracks in Virtual Dub.

Patrick



I just got the WIDESCREEN EDITION Laserdisc with the leia footage - I'm planning in capturing it this weekend as a DV then I'll be re-encoding the video. It will be done as a REPLACEMENT to the TR47 Disc (at least in my set!)

About video - YOU can edit the raw VOB or the extracted MPEG2 file with the right software. I will be editing mine to cut ALL the side changes I will be capturing each side as a individual capture then edit out and dead spots before I merge the MPEG2. GIVE me about week and I will have a new STAR WARS: a new hope. (ALSO I will be capturing both with S-VIDEO and Composite video to see which one has less "red dot crawl" < right?

Anyway BEST of luck!

As for torrents you need to have a announce url (the host of the torrent) before you can upload the torrent

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Rik,

From what I can see, there is no welding footage missing from the TR47 ESB. There is just a 3 second black space right before it due to the side change of the laserdisc. Wouldn't it be easier to just edit the VOB of the TR47 disc to exclude the black space?
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I love how that screen captured menu has two episode IVs. That cracks me up.
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"I guess they had to capture each movie twice and save the wav file from each audio track."

I captured the movie once. Vegas captured the video and analog audio, and kept them in sync. At the same time, I captured the PCM audio with my soundcard's software. For some reason, the PCM audio always plays a half-second behind the analog. Anyways, I was able to sync the PCM to the analog audio in Vegas, and then I render the video as MPEG and the PCM audio as an AC3 (after converting it to a Prologic II 5-channel wav.)

"Wouldn't it be easier to just edit the VOB of the TR47 disc to exclude the black space?"

It's not impossible, but it's hard to cut the VOB right where you want it cut. If you can get it right on the scene change, then you can resave the whole file with the added MPEG right in the middle of the split segments. There are many VOB and MPEG merging programs that will do the DOS commands for you. That being said, the resulting transition isn't always very clean, and you may get some visual pixelation or audio drops. As has been said, using the AVI masters results in a much better product, but you do the best with what you've got.

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Originally posted by: RowMan
Rik,

From what I can see, there is no welding footage missing from the TR47 ESB. There is just a 3 second black space right before it due to the side change of the laserdisc. Wouldn't it be easier to just edit the VOB of the TR47 disc to exclude the black space?


MAN I'm so sorry I really ment this scene

This laserdisc edition does contain C-3PO's dialogue in the Death Star control room ("The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations. A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave.").

I could just add it to the TR47 set - but my brother just got some heavy duty HTPC video capture going on now with some 4:4:4 hoobie doobie stuff that's all Huttese to me , He's amped to try - so we'll see what transpires.

RiK

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And now for something completely different...

Does anybody of you know if there are any Dutch subtitles available for these DVDs? (TR47 or anamorphic pre-SE set)

Or has anybody of you already created subtitles for them?

I don't really need them myself, but I'd like to share the movies with friends and family, and some of them will need Dutch subtitles.

Any pointers or tips would be appreciated (you can PM me if you don't want to post about it on the forum).

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Originally posted by: PoisonDan
And now for something completely different...

Does anybody of you know if there are any Dutch subtitles available for these DVDs? (TR47 or anamorphic pre-SE set)

Or has anybody of you already created subtitles for them?

I don't really need them myself, but I'd like to share the movies with friends and family, and some of them will need Dutch subtitles.

Any pointers or tips would be appreciated (you can PM me if you don't want to post about it on the forum).


Hey bud - Check out this site - IF you do this let me know, I would try it for you but I don't speak Dutch

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Thanks for the link, Rikter.

However, I don't have any subtitles to start from. If I want to create them from scratch, it will take a lot of work (especially if I also have to make sure they're synchronized).

BUT...

I'd gladly accept English subtitles, if you can provide them. I'll translate them myself. As long as they are properly synchronized and usable for the bootleg DVDs (the anamorphic versions, if possible), that would be great!

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This question/request goes out to anyone working on new transfers of the OT for upcoming dual layer DVDs. Would it be possible to restore C-3PO's bit of dialogue from Star Wars: "The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations. A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave."? It is available on an earlier laserdisc edition which has been mentioned often in this forum. And would be a most welcome addition to the Definitive Collection transfer.