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The minimum that the Mainconcept encoder will allow is 192,000 (either standalone or in Sony Vegas - yes, they are the same, but the standalone offers far more options.)
I used an I-frame distance of 6 (for better chapter point accuracy), and went ahead and closed the GOPs, just to see what would happen (file size, compatibility, etc.) and I've had no problems. I'm using DVDLab Pro, because I wanted the second commentary soundtrack (regular DVDLab only allows for one soundtrack.) I recently installed DVD Architect 2, which I used before DVDLab, but I've not tried my SW MPEG with it yet, so I don't know if they'll work or not. I should just try a quick compile (1 basic menu) just to see, but otherwise, I've had no problems. Keep in mind, also, that my MPEG is anamorphic, so a letterbox version should work as well.
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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Would it be halfway possible that, when you make the de-SEed OT DVD in September, that you could make a "good changes only" version.
Kina our own "Halfway Edition" of what the SE probably should have been in teh first place.
It would probably have the SE version of the "look sir, droids!"
The SE fixed up scene of the sky at night on Tatooine where it *doesn't* change color on just one shot.
Perhaps minor shots like the Jawa sandcrawler, speeder flying by and not obscured by rocks, and the extra stormtrooper dismounting a Dewback when threepio says "I don't like the look of this" in Mos Eisley. Any minor shots or little things that actually look good.
But parts where the originals are better would be where the LDs get plugged in.
Parts like the entrance to Mos Eisley, Greedo vs. Han, Jabba scene (although you don't really need any LD footage to remove a scene), and the Battle of Yavin. Pretty much any major changes would be the original version. And the original Alderaan and Death Star explosions.
Empire Strikes Back "Halfway Edition" could have the original Wampa, the original Could City (since the SE has so many continuity erros because of the new hallway windows and stuff), and the original escape from Cloud City sequence.
SE parts of ESB would be the Battle of Hoth (if there even are any changes; i haven't noticed any), Artoo being blue in space, the new hatch inside the top hatch when Lando retreives Luke, and any other minor "good" changes. Also maybe the new shot of Leia through the window of her Cloud City "apartment" since it fixed the roof error.
Return of the Jedi could have the original Jabba dance number, and the original Sarlacc. Whether the ending is new or original is up for debate. I'd personally be ok with whichever version the editor prefers. I would recommend leaving the SE shots of other planets, but when it pans down to the Ewoks it is the original Yub Nub song. This would also cover the Hayden ghost, if for some reason that rumor is true.
SE changes would once again be minor shots that were actually "good". Like having ropes around Han's feet when he dangles off the speeder, the quick shot of the Bantha herd, fixed "stop motion" dude walking across the speeder immediatly after the Bantha shot, Artoo being blue in space again, and any other minor things that were "good" changes.
NOTE TO EDITOR, FROM EDITOR'S POINT OF VIEW ON THIS:
Since the preferred source material is the SE DVDs, you would first map out which original version scenes/shots should be there, and then insert them into the SE DVD file. So minor shots being the SE shouldn't be a problem, since they are there to begin with. A dual layered burner would be preferred, since otherwise the quality of the SE DVD footage wouldn't be at it's original quality. (no funny contradiction intended) And with a dual layered burner you could afford to stick the actual DVD menus on the disc too. You may have to trim out un-needed features such as alternate audio tracks (save commentaries though).
*Phew*
Anyone who thinks they can do this is more than welcome to try.
They could offer the De-SEed original version or the super-delux-ultra-woofrickenhoo-Halfway-Edition.
(But remember, SE bootlegs aren't allowed here)
EDIT: We could even hold polls as to which changes that are disputable as to which are better, such as the ending of ROTJ.
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You'd be much better off getting the footage from the SE LDs, making AVI masters to match to the OT AVI masters. I'd love to get the SE version of ANH, since I wouldn't mind having a version with the updated Yavin battle (but that's about it.)
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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Exactly!
A version that only has changes that we'd actually LIKE to see.If the SE laserdisc is easier to work with, that would work too. I hear the quality is considerably better than the OT laserdiscs anyway, so quality would also be notably improved.
That being the case, work could be underway whenever.
Good luck to whoever has the guts to attempt it!
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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Originally posted by: R2
...Can anyone tell me where to get a good set w/ trailers and deleated scenes. Any help would be appreciated.
...Can anyone tell me where to get a good set w/ trailers and deleated scenes. Any help would be appreciated.
Hey, R2.
Turn on your private messaging. I might be able to help you with what you're specifically looking for.
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Someone is sending me a CD with two small captures on it. One is the 3PO line about the tractor beam and the other is "Close the blast doors.". Can anyone tell me if any version of the movie had both "Close the blast doors." and "Open the blast doors! Open the blast doors!"? So far, I've only scene one or the other.
Patrick
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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Speaking of the LD's, has anyone noticed how poor Jedi looks compared to the other two? There seems to be a slight haze on every version of it I have seen (I have not seen the SE LD though). I remember reading bootleg reviews years ago and seeing the reviewers say that it looked the worst of the 3.
Patrick
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Originally posted by: Patrick R.
Someone is sending me a CD with two small captures on it. One is the 3PO line about the tractor beam and the other is "Close the blast doors.". Can anyone tell me if any version of the movie had both "Close the blast doors." and "Open the blast doors! Open the blast doors!"? So far, I've only scene one or the other.
Patrick
Someone is sending me a CD with two small captures on it. One is the 3PO line about the tractor beam and the other is "Close the blast doors.". Can anyone tell me if any version of the movie had both "Close the blast doors." and "Open the blast doors! Open the blast doors!"? So far, I've only scene one or the other.
Patrick
The Special Edition has both lines. Prior to that, the only version with both lines was the original theatrical release with the mono sound mix. But that version has never seen a home video release.
Scott
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Once the SE's come out, then yeah, I am going to make a 'halfway edition' as you call it, for my own personal use of course.
I feel the same, leave in what is fixed and doesn't look all cg like, and remove or replace anything I find offensive.
Just a cleaned up edition really. I think that is all a lot of people really wanted Lucas to do!
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I've got the original "close the blast doors" line in addition to all Beru's lines from the mono version of the film on the "Story of Star Wars" LP. Very good sound quality. The Special Editon version of the blastdoors line was re-recorded for some bizarre reason - maybe they lost the original master for the voice on this? I have a high quality record deck and can send you these if you'd like on a CD as WAV files. You could then splice these into the NTSC version of your DVD's. They'de have to speed up by 4% for PAL versions I believe.
PM me if your interested.
Cheers!
- John
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Personal use only? There's no change you might put them up for sale?
That'd actually be much easier to make than an original version, since you only take out what you want and you don't have to double check from a list that every minor shot has been restored to the original version.
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Originally posted by: seventiesfilmnut
Hi Patrick!
I've got the original "close the blast doors" line in addition to all Beru's lines from the mono version of the film on the "Story of Star Wars" LP. Very good sound quality. The Special Editon version of the blastdoors line was re-recorded for some bizarre reason - maybe they lost the original master for the voice on this? I have a high quality record deck and can send you these if you'd like on a CD as WAV files. You could then splice these into the NTSC version of your DVD's. They'de have to speed up by 4% for PAL versions I believe.
PM me if your interested.
Cheers!
- John
Hi Patrick!
I've got the original "close the blast doors" line in addition to all Beru's lines from the mono version of the film on the "Story of Star Wars" LP. Very good sound quality. The Special Editon version of the blastdoors line was re-recorded for some bizarre reason - maybe they lost the original master for the voice on this? I have a high quality record deck and can send you these if you'd like on a CD as WAV files. You could then splice these into the NTSC version of your DVD's. They'de have to speed up by 4% for PAL versions I believe.
PM me if your interested.
Cheers!
- John
Hi John.
I see what you mean by the blast doors line being rerecorded. I just recieved the CD-R from my friend and saw that it was rerecorded and is a different voice than the one that says, "Open the blast doors!". It would be great to have all those lines. Could you turn on your private messaging? We could talk some more.
Thanks.
Patrick
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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Originally posted by: seventiesfilmnut
Hi Patrick!
I've got the original "close the blast doors" line in addition to all Beru's lines from the mono version of the film on the "Story of Star Wars" LP. Very good sound quality. The Special Editon version of the blastdoors line was re-recorded for some bizarre reason - maybe they lost the original master for the voice on this? I have a high quality record deck and can send you these if you'd like on a CD as WAV files. You could then splice these into the NTSC version of your DVD's. They'de have to speed up by 4% for PAL versions I believe.
PM me if your interested.
Cheers!
- John
Hi Patrick!
I've got the original "close the blast doors" line in addition to all Beru's lines from the mono version of the film on the "Story of Star Wars" LP. Very good sound quality. The Special Editon version of the blastdoors line was re-recorded for some bizarre reason - maybe they lost the original master for the voice on this? I have a high quality record deck and can send you these if you'd like on a CD as WAV files. You could then splice these into the NTSC version of your DVD's. They'de have to speed up by 4% for PAL versions I believe.
PM me if your interested.
Cheers!
- John
I no longer have the Story of Star Wars album so I can't listen to the voice on it. But I can tell you in absolute certainty that the "Close the blast doors" voice on the Special Edition is the exact same voice that is in the 1977 theatrical film with the mono sound mix. It's quite possible that the SOSW album used a different recording or take. John, do you have it in a format you could email? I'd really like to hear it.
Scott
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Prillaman's Dual-Layered DVD OT Review...
A little patience goes a long way on this old-school Rebel base. If you are having issues finding what you are looking for, these will be of some help…
Welcome to the OriginalTrilogy.com | Introduce yourself in here | Useful info within : About : Help : Site Rules : Fan Project Rules : Announcements
‘How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + FAQs - includes info on how to search for projects and threads on the OT•com
A Project Index for Star Wars Preservations (Harmy’s Despecialized & 4K77/80/83 etc) : A Project Index for Star Wars Fan Edits (adywan & Hal 9000 etc)
… and take your time to look around this site before posting - to get a feel for this place. Don’t just lazily make yet another thread asking for projects.
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Originally posted by: oojason
Prillaman has a review on a set of DUAL-LAYERED OT DVDs he recently received:-
Prillaman's Dual-Layered DVD OT Review...
Prillaman has a review on a set of DUAL-LAYERED OT DVDs he recently received:-
Prillaman's Dual-Layered DVD OT Review...
But notice that the review say that there is NO need to update to the dual layer set!
They must be encoded as CBR at 9200 - 9500 kbits/sec - not VBR that's the only reason it can fill up a dual layer disc - I may be wrong but I think this may be it.
"Both versions represent good bootlegs, and from what I understand both are available for $30 (which is a maximum reasonable price that I set rather arbitrarily some time ago for bootleg sets like this). Anyone who already has TR47's set should not worry about needing to upgrade – the differences in the two are generally subtle and I certainly wouldn't consider them worth the $30 investment. These dual-layer discs are better packaged: while TR47 has been including a CD-R full of different cover art files for some time, you still end up with bare and unlabeled DVD-R's that you have to find a case for and print covers for. The cover art used for these discs doesn't match the covers and spines for Episodes I and II, but it's not really a glaring difference. It might even be useful to have a clearly different spine layout if you plan to pick up the official releases and set them both on the shelf. In the end, I would recommend either version to someone who is determined to have a DVD copy of the original theatrical version of the trilogy. Casual fans are still best off picking up the official release, which will look and sound better than any bootleg (they're even re-mixing the soundtrack for at least A New Hope and possibly all three using the original audio stems) and will arrive less than three months from now."
BUT I wonder if the $30 includes the covers and cases?
RiK
“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK
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Nice artwork on the discs and the dvd boxes themselves.
Maybe someone soon will use the full dual-layered disc just for the film - perhaps a menu with chapter stops... and be an anamorphic widescreen version, instead of a letterbox version.
At least we know they they are out there, and the price is comparitve with the single layered dvd set.
A little patience goes a long way on this old-school Rebel base. If you are having issues finding what you are looking for, these will be of some help…
Welcome to the OriginalTrilogy.com | Introduce yourself in here | Useful info within : About : Help : Site Rules : Fan Project Rules : Announcements
‘How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + FAQs - includes info on how to search for projects and threads on the OT•com
A Project Index for Star Wars Preservations (Harmy’s Despecialized & 4K77/80/83 etc) : A Project Index for Star Wars Fan Edits (adywan & Hal 9000 etc)
… and take your time to look around this site before posting - to get a feel for this place. Don’t just lazily make yet another thread asking for projects.
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LIKE - The Making Of Star Wars as told by C-3PO and R2-D2 + MORE!!!
Since the review really did not say the video was ANY better - I WILL redo the set with a TON of EXTRAS!!
All I need now is blank dual layer media................
RiK
“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK
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(not everyone reads ALL the threads SO......)
- It looks like this is the VERY same set that is on the www.prillaman.net website
This is an ASIAN created DVD silvers or Durian's (real pressed DVD's) bootleg set not created by TR47
Check out this site to find out more about DVD Silver's/Durian's.
I have about 3 links to different sites that sell this set.
THEY do come with cover art and cases - all cost $32.88 - It seems that there is ONE source but MANY re-sellers
I hope this helps everybody!
WORD -
RiK
“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK