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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
I hope the Trilogy get's so jacked and screwed royally up with further "changes".

To show them SE lovers what it feels like to get screwed by Lucasfilm.



And so I can laugh at them. Maybe if it gets bad enough, an ever more general outcry for the originals will be heard.


Ain't gonna happen. You see us Special Edition fans welcome more changes. Sure the Hayden thing sucks but Lucas is not trying to fuck up the movies he is trying to improve them and he knows what he is doing. There must be some kind of method or reason for this change. Also Luke Cloud City and Tatoinne did have control from the Empire. What happened to Lando saying "the Empire is taking over." Or all those stormtroopers on Tatoinne. God Luke you really are just scrambling for reasons to critize Lucas.
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jimbo I agree with what you said. people need to stop critizing George Lucas for the changes for the dvds of the original trilogy. Some people like the new changes to dvds. people who wine and cry about the changes are die hard fans of the original version of episode 4,5,and 6. my ponit is stop critizing lucas for the changes he's only doing them to imporve the story and be happy that the star wars trilogy is coming out on dvd sep. 21st 2004.
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Originally posted by: Luke30
jimbo I agree with what you said. people need to stop critizing George Lucas for the changes for the dvds of the original trilogy. Some people like the new changes to dvds. people who wine and cry about the changes are die hard fans of the original version of episode 4,5,and 6. my ponit is stop critizing lucas for the changes he's only doing them to imporve the story and be happy that the star wars trilogy is coming out on dvd sep. 21st 2004.


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I have nothing whatsoever against trying to "complete" his films, or whatever he calls it.

It's the not letting the originals be released too that I am disgusted with.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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I would like both versions, ain't gonna happen yet.
So I'm just happy that at last it's coming out on DVD.
I didn't mind the SE too much. I always wished I could change the films to make them look better. "Change this, clean that up, rub out the lightsaber shadow".
You see, now he's doing all these things, so I'm quite looking forward to seeing the clean, crisp, super-sounding Star Wars at home on my big TV and pukka DVD, while smoking a big fat joint!

I too would hope one day Lucas will release the films I first saw as a kid. I believe he will.
In 2007 - The super editions or whatever. All versions in one big size box set! - You wait and see.

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Originally posted by: Luke30
jimbo I agree with what you said. people need to stop critizing George Lucas for the changes for the dvds of the original trilogy. Some people like the new changes to dvds. people who wine and cry about the changes are die hard fans of the original version of episode 4,5,and 6. my ponit is stop critizing lucas for the changes he's only doing them to imporve the story and be happy that the star wars trilogy is coming out on dvd sep. 21st 2004.


Thank you


i dont see this as improving
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Originally posted by: HotRod
I would like both versions, ain't gonna happen yet.
So I'm just happy that at last it's coming out on DVD.
I didn't mind the SE too much. I always wished I could change the films to make them look better. "Change this, clean that up, rub out the lightsaber shadow".
You see, now he's doing all these things, so I'm quite looking forward to seeing the clean, crisp, super-sounding Star Wars at home on my big TV and pukka DVD, while smoking a big fat joint!

I too would hope one day Lucas will release the films I first saw as a kid. I believe he will.
In 2007 - The super editions or whatever. All versions in one big size box set! - You wait and see.


He ain't releasing them. Not ever. It just ain't gonna happen.
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Originally posted by: HotRod
I would like both versions, ain't gonna happen yet.
So I'm just happy that at last it's coming out on DVD.
I didn't mind the SE too much. I always wished I could change the films to make them look better. "Change this, clean that up, rub out the lightsaber shadow".
You see, now he's doing all these things, so I'm quite looking forward to seeing the clean, crisp, super-sounding Star Wars at home on my big TV and pukka DVD, while smoking a big fat joint!

I too would hope one day Lucas will release the films I first saw as a kid. I believe he will.
In 2007 - The super editions or whatever. All versions in one big size box set! - You wait and see.


He ain't releasing them. Not ever. It just ain't gonna happen.


How can you expect us to respect your opinion if you won't allow us some hope Jimbo? Quit bashing us in the face with comments like that. You sound like you delight in it too much.

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LMAO!!
guess what ladies and gentlemen....
its time to make jimbo look like a dumbass again cuz he knows nothing about the OT and just the shitty prequel crap that Lucas made...
shall we start??

okay well first jimbo says...
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Also Luke Cloud City and Tatoinne did have control from the Empire. What happened to Lando saying "the Empire is taking over."

next time dumbass quote the movie correctly if your going to quote at all...
second Lando clearly said to Han something along the lines of "i've made a deal with them empire that will keep them out of here"
and since he did end up delivering Skywalker... he lived up to the end of his deal...
ie. no more intervention from the empire..

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Or all those stormtroopers on Tatoinne.

are you stupid?? did u even see the movies??
they were there looking for droids with the plans you dumbshit....
they dont just live there... and dont forget that in one of the crappy prequels that Lucas made... they say that the Hutts are in control...
not the empire...
so either Lucas made another plot hole thx to his shitty prequels or else your just dumb... and im not name calling here but for you to use "Or all those stormtroopers on Tatoinne." well sorry but it aint Lucas' fault this time bub...

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God Luke you really are just scrambling for reasons to critize Lucas.

lol blah blah blah... ya it was really hard to scramble there jimbo... lol!!! you really had me for about .000000000000000001 seconds .... the truth is Lucas sucks ass... just like you... so go watch ur shitty prequels and leave the debating of the OT to people who care about the movies...

oh ya... one last thing..
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Hang on a sec...........

I'm afraid you are a little wrong there Mr Skywalker...

Yes Lando did make a deal with Vader, but that went tits up when he helped our heroes escape.
Also in regards to the troops on Tatooine, I'm sure once the Empire visits a planet, it stays there and keeps control. - Not too sure about that, but it's my geuss.

But Bespin, I'm pretty sure Vader did leave a garrisson(sp?) there..

Thats all........

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i agree that Lando did help our hero's escape but he delivered Skywalker...
that was the deal...
Boba Fett got Han and Vader was delivered Luke...
in a way Vader may not have known that Lando helped them escape due to the fact he was fighting Luke the whole time...

I mean with that new scene in the SE... Vader says something like prepare the ship for my arrival...
seems to me he's just leaving...

just the way i always thought of it..
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Luke Vader lied. He went back on his deal and took over Cloud City. We see Lando announcing to the city that the Empire is taking over. In Republic times Tatoinne was controled by the huts but Empire took over all outer rim planets. They still gave the Huts power under Imperial rule.
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and where was all this explained in the movies??
the jedi enquirer???

just go home jimbo
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Even if those places were under the control of the Empire, they wouldn't be celebrating anyway. First of all, the Return of the Jedi Special Edition ending implies that the celebrations are all happening the same day. There's no way that even news that big would be able to get to all those places as fast as it did. Second of all, even though the Empire's ultimate weapon and two biggest bad guys were destroyed, it doesn't mean that all of the Imperial troops all across the galaxy magically dropped dead like the droids did in Episode I. Just because the Empire's main sources of power are gone doesn't mean the troops died. They'd still be around and able to control those places and I honestly don't see why everyone would be celebrating, unless they managed to kill all of those remaining troops after hearing the news. And besides, Death Star II isn't the only place where the Empire is stationed. There are obviously other bases around the galaxy and even if Death Star II was the only one, the Empire would still be spread out around the galaxy and it would take a lot of time to get rid of all the remaining Imperial troops.

And even if the celebrations were just for the destruction of Death Star II and not the end of the Empire, there'd be no reason not to have similar celebrations for the destruction of Death Star I. After all, the first Death Star had been completed and had actually blown up a planet and would've destroyed the Rebel Base if it hadn't exploded a few seconds earlier. It was a much bigger threat than Death Star II, which didn't even get completed and only destroyed a few rebel cruisers.

Sorry, but the Return of the Jedi Special Edition celebration ending just doesn't make sense and is really pointless, since the various planets wouldn't have total freedom yet.
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
and where was all this explained in the movies??
the jedi enquirer???

just go home jimbo


In the Special Edition we see Lando announcing to Cloud City about the Empire taking over. Also if the troops didn't magically drop dead then its a mistake in the original version that was always there that the Special Edition didn't fix. I always wondered that. The main reason why Return of the Jedi is the worst Star Wars movie.
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Originally posted by: Spyder X
Even if those places were under the control of the Empire, they wouldn't be celebrating anyway. First of all, the Return of the Jedi Special Edition ending implies that the celebrations are all happening the same day. There's no way that even news that big would be able to get to all those places as fast as it did. Second of all, even though the Empire's ultimate weapon and two biggest bad guys were destroyed, it doesn't mean that all of the Imperial troops all across the galaxy magically dropped dead like the droids did in Episode I. Just because the Empire's main sources of power are gone doesn't mean the troops died. They'd still be around and able to control those places and I honestly don't see why everyone would be celebrating, unless they managed to kill all of those remaining troops after hearing the news. And besides, Death Star II isn't the only place where the Empire is stationed. There are obviously other bases around the galaxy and even if Death Star II was the only one, the Empire would still be spread out around the galaxy and it would take a lot of time to get rid of all the remaining Imperial troops.

And even if the celebrations were just for the destruction of Death Star II and not the end of the Empire, there'd be no reason not to have similar celebrations for the destruction of Death Star I. After all, the first Death Star had been completed and had actually blown up a planet and would've destroyed the Rebel Base if it hadn't exploded a few seconds earlier. It was a much bigger threat than Death Star II, which didn't even get completed and only destroyed a few rebel cruisers.

Sorry, but the Return of the Jedi Special Edition celebration ending just doesn't make sense and is really pointless, since the various planets wouldn't have total freedom yet.


hrm... never thought of it that way....
good analysis..

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In the Special Edition we see Lando announcing to Cloud City about the Empire taking over.


again you call yourself one of the biggest star wars fans and cant even get a simple point right...
he said the same thing in the OT... put the crappy SE down for a sec and watch the movie that started it all and made the SE's possible...
second we see Vader leaving cloud city and asking for his ship... is that how you take over a place?? leave??

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Also if the troops didn't magically drop dead then its a mistake in the original version that was always there that the Special Edition didn't fix.

what in the hell are you talking about??
can anyone make some sense of this?
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Vader: "It would be unfortunate if I had to leave a garrison here, Calrissian"

there we go chaps, quote from the Dark Lord himself, said in both the OT & the OT:SE!

& if your wondering, he says this whilst discussing the fate of Leia & Chewie with Lando.

To me this doesnt say "the Empire has occupied" more that they're kinda squatting for a while (& i dont mean taking a shit), although Lando does announce the Empire has taken control, it could just mean that as Lando has just technically become a fugitive that a large force of Stormies will be on their way to kick some butt..................is there really any point arguing about it?
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Originally posted by: HotRod
You lot fucking moan too much!!1


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Haven't had the chance to ask for months so hope all is well & you made a full & speedy recovery!
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Originally posted by: Spyder X
Even if those places were under the control of the Empire, they wouldn't be celebrating anyway. First of all, the Return of the Jedi Special Edition ending implies that the celebrations are all happening the same day. There's no way that even news that big would be able to get to all those places as fast as it did. Second of all, even though the Empire's ultimate weapon and two biggest bad guys were destroyed, it doesn't mean that all of the Imperial troops all across the galaxy magically dropped dead like the droids did in Episode I. Just because the Empire's main sources of power are gone doesn't mean the troops died. They'd still be around and able to control those places and I honestly don't see why everyone would be celebrating, unless they managed to kill all of those remaining troops after hearing the news. And besides, Death Star II isn't the only place where the Empire is stationed. There are obviously other bases around the galaxy and even if Death Star II was the only one, the Empire would still be spread out around the galaxy and it would take a lot of time to get rid of all the remaining Imperial troops.

And even if the celebrations were just for the destruction of Death Star II and not the end of the Empire, there'd be no reason not to have similar celebrations for the destruction of Death Star I. After all, the first Death Star had been completed and had actually blown up a planet and would've destroyed the Rebel Base if it hadn't exploded a few seconds earlier. It was a much bigger threat than Death Star II, which didn't even get completed and only destroyed a few rebel cruisers.

Sorry, but the Return of the Jedi Special Edition celebration ending just doesn't make sense and is really pointless, since the various planets wouldn't have total freedom yet.



Couldn't have said it better myself. That was one of the main scences that turned me against the SE. It does imply it was all happening that night, though logically it couldn't. I read the novels. In "The Truce at Bakura" , Bakura didn't know of the Emperor's death until the now "New Republic" comes to their aid. Bakura isn't that far from Endor, it would be among the first to hear. However, we see Tatooine, a planet on the other side of the galaxy that didn't care about the war having celebrations. We have the evacuated Cloud City partying. The worst is Coruscant. A planet so fiercely imperial that no rebel sympathizer dare live on it. In one book, an Imperial even muses on how celebrations weren't a problem on Coruscant. Then Jedi:SE comes out and changes that. The celebration on Coruscant is now canon. However, it's more sensical in the novel. Basically, after that shot ends, as the character described it, "Then the Stormtroopers came; and began firing indescriminately into the crowd". Coruscant was a fortress, the center of Imerial power and politics. It has two planetary shields, orbiting gun platforms, and its own personal Star Destroyer fleet. Something to the level we saw couldn't happen.

It also implies that everyone hated the empire, and that everyone loved the rebels. While there are things that suggested that Palpatine could exert mind control on the populace(hence why the fleet fell apart after his death, not to mention the hiding of the Super Star Destroyer Lusankya), you need sympathizers as well. It's been far from a cake walk for the New Republic. As for Vader leaving, the shuttle scence was possibly the worst addition in the SE. It breaks the tension of the scene, ruins the music(thankfully the OSt was intact), and Vaders agitated, "Bring my shuttle" was far better than his mostly calm, "Alert my Star Destroyer(doesn't he know its name?) to prepare for my arrival", followed by stock footage of the DSII's hanger(BTW, would Vader get a more prestigeous welcome on his own flagship than a mere squad of Stormtroopers?). Honestly, did anyone ever wonder how Vader got back to his ship?


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Personally I do not dislike a single change to The Empire Strikes Back. I personally liked "Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival" it was a cool Vader line in my opinion. Also we don't know for sure it all happened the same night the death star was destroyed. It could have been weeks later for all we know.