Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles Thread — Page 6

skyjedi2005 said:

IS summer Glau a good actress or just a pretty face.

I think she is a decent enough actress, but it is hard to tell because between this and Firefly/Serenity we have only seen her play creepy-psycho-girl roles. But I must say she excells at the being creepy and doing fight scenes.

She is at great risk of being typcast (which I guess she already has) as the weird socially challenged girl who could kick your ass. Hopefully Cameron will be her last such role.

Anybody think that James Ellison will be a idiot and introduce the Conners to the liquid metal terminator?

THAT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME, AND THAT WOULD BE A REALLY COOL STORY LINE.

PSYCHO_DAYV said:

THAT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME, AND THAT WOULD BE A REALLY COOL STORY LINE.

I bet she would keep her cover and pretend that she can help the Conners stop SkyNet...

She seems to be not as interested in the Conners as in the creation of SkyNet...

Or another Cromartie when they least expect it.  Back in 1990 people (general audience, not fans) couldn't figure out how Arnold could come back for T2.

Ziz said:

Or another Cromartie when they least expect it.  Back in 1990 people (general audience, not fans) couldn't figure out how Arnold could come back for T2.

Although Cromartie's likeness was not an actual Terminator design like Arnold was. Remember, he lost all his flesh and had to regrow it, then he had to have a plastic surgeon make him look the way he did. So I cannot see them replacing him with a robot played by the same actor. I'll miss Cromartie, I was beginning to grow attached.

THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO REVISIT A SET FROM THE ORIGINAL TERMINATOR MOVIE SOME TIME THIS SEASON.

This show cannot do anything worse to James Cameron's Terminator films than has already been done by Apted and is currently being done by MCG.  Mcg will do what Shusucker did to Batman.

At the end of the day it is Camerons own fault he went off and directed a chick flick starring decrapcrio instead of doing T3. 

Because of his divorce from Linda Hamilton and not owning the rights to the Terminator franchise, there will never be a canon T3 and that sucks.

I don't know if it is true but i read the studio making T3 went to cameron first and he turned it down.  He cannot complain about the bastardizations since it is his fault.

Cameron wanted to do something else and thought the story material was weak for a T3.  He decided not to make the sequel for the same cited reasons Lucas decided against making the sequel star wars trilogy.

In the case of T2 judgement day never happened so there was no future war or any story there.  I agree with Cameron.  But in Lucas case there is plenty of material for at least a continued story following the Mark Hamill Character of Luke after return of the jedi.  The Empire is not completely eradicated, a new republic needs to be set up and a new jedi order.  The trials and tribulations of a young democracy would have made plenty of good story.  with Leia as the chancellor of the new republic and luke as the new grand master of the jedi order.

I consider the new terminato films and movie as alternate reality or completely seperate continuity.  In the same way i view the new bond franchise or the jj trek.  For batman i think it is the opposite a return to basics of the comics that shumacher strayed from.  I really don't see begins and dark knight as a reboot or alternate universe because it is batman as he should be and a return to the materials source.

Forever and Batman and robin were aping the 1960's tv series which was a farce, thankfully in the 1970's the character was brought back to his roots in the comics.

DO YOU WATCH THE SHOW?

"In the case of T2 judgement day never happened so there was no future war or any story there."

Yeah, that is how I feel about it too. I think they could have made a decent T3 and tweaked the storyline and come up with something interesting, but it certainly wasn't necessary, and that is not what they managed to do. The first movie left us knowing that these events would eventually happen, the second one left us with it having been successfully stopped. The third one was pointless and sucked to boot.

I also consider this series as separate from the others. Kind of like Planet of the Apes, I was such a sucker for the movies that I really liked the TV show, but it is really hard to make it fit logically with continuity. So what, just enjoy it and have fun. That is how I feel about TSCC too. I really don't see this fitting so well with the first two movies, but I really like it for what it is. I am also really looking forward to the new movie, probably more than any other movie I can think of at the moment. Though I am kind of afraid they are going to flood the market with Terminator and make it loose its luster, but on the other hand I felt they already took their best shot at destroying it with that third film. I hope the show continues to get better and doesn't pull a Heroes on us. It is a show I'd really like to enjoy for a long time.

I LIKE HOW TSCC JUMPED OVER THE THIRD MOVIE.  IT'S LIKE THE THIRD MOVIE NEVER EXISTED.

skyjedi2005 said:

Cameron wanted to do something else and thought the story material was weak for a T3.  He decided not to make the sequel for the same cited reasons Lucas decided against making the sequel star wars trilogy.

Did you even see T3?  The story material was weak.  If I had been Cameron, I'd have turned that thing down too.

Yep, James Ellison is the idiot we all hoped he be...but I guess he's not the first to be duped by a woman...

Ellison has been playing the stooge all season, we knew something like this would happen sooner or later.

Interesting that they are finally starting to talk about the changing futures, and showing that the time line is getting seriously screwed up. Maybe it does make the story kind of contrived, but I actually like it, if things such as time travel were possible, this is the sort of thing you could expect to happen. I like that the current time line remains static, unlike Back to the Future where people disappear from photographs or headlines in newpapers magically fade away as the time line is altered, the events of Derek's past remain the same, even though the young Derek will experience them differently. This way they cannot do stupid things like bring Kyle back by somehow preventing him from dying, even tought they may be able to alter the events of someone elses time line and save Kyle in that one, but not their own. They could also use this to keep T3 canon, just having been another branch off the time line. Screwed up and confusing yes, but that is the fate of all time travel tales I am afraid.

Since the very beginning I have loved Derek's jacket. Man, I wish I new the exact brand and make, and where to buy one if they are still on the market, or what to ebay if they are discontinued. It is very clearly designed after the military m-65 jacket, but it is much more stylish with a better fit to it. More casual looking, without looking like the jacket of a homeless 'Nam vet. Is there someplace where they list what clothing on TV shows are? Seems like the company that makes them would want to brag, "Hey, that is one of our jackets! Buy yours today". I have been searching on the net but coming up empty. Found a few other brands with jackets designed off of the m65, but none of them look half as good as this one.

The branching timeline/alternate universe thing is something they did on an episode of ST:TNG once.  It was the one where Worf was shifting from one universe to another because of some technobabble frequency something or other from Geordi's visor.

At one point, Data explained it as "The results of every decision we make or don't make create an alternate universe and timeline, creating an infinitely branching universe and timelines where all possible outcomes occur in one form or another" - don't remember the exact dialogue, but that was the logic.

Preview for next week's ep:-

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FRplgPmvMug

(also has an 'interesting' take on Skynet sending Terminators back into the past)

I hear a lot of people are starting to get fed up with this show, but I think it is getting better and better. If you check out page one of this thread, originally I was pretty harsh on the show, and the sheer amount of time travelers was one of the reasons. In the films each side only sends one soldier back, it seems like if it were an easy process, they'd just send a whole army back to whipe out John and ensure Skynets safety.

Now that we are getting into all the alternative timeline stuff, I think it is getting pretty fun. T1 and T2 give us the theme, there is no fate but the one we make. T3 (which I hate with a passion) screws this up by ultimately saying the outcome of the future is already set, you can dink around with it and you might change the players involved and the method, the date and time, etc., but what is suppose to happen is going to happen no matter what you do (similar to Lost's paradox free philosophy on time travel, "the timeline has a way of course correcting itself"). 

While I like Lost's take on time travel, you can alter the way things happen, you can postpone them, but you can't prevent it from happening. I like TSCC's branching realities approach even more, and I think this fits much better with the first two films. In TSCC it seems by going back in time you can alter any number of things and make them happen differently. We have Jesse remembering things that happened to Derek in the future, which Derek has no recollection of because they are from two completely different time lines. Derek is from the future following the films. Three major things happen to severly alter Jesse and Riley's future from that of Derek's. First, John sends Cameron back in time to protect himself, she kills the evil terminator, and sends them into the safety of the future (obviously for nothing more than for ease of story telling). Second, Derek believes if he and his men go back in time with a list of the names of men responsible for Skynet, then they can merely assassinate them one by one, preventing Skynet from becoming a reality. Third, Skynet is also doing its fair share of meddling with the time line, but we don't have much detail on what exactly they are up to yet. 

In Derek's future, Cameron was a captured and reprogrammed terminator, something we learn John was getting into in T2 when he trusted Arnie enough to send him back to protect himself when he was a kid. In the resulting time line, John probably had much more sympathetic feelings for Terminators due to the strong bonding that went on between him and the T-800 that he sent to protect himself. As we see from Derek's reaction to all the terminators running around the base, many of the resistance fighters are uneasy with John's trust in the reprogrammed enemy soldiers, and it was already a misguided trust that cost some of the resistance fighters their lives ("sometimes they go bad"). In Jesse and Riley's time line, Cameron stays with John and influences him from the pilot of the TV series and on into the war against the machines, very likely resulting in a John who is even more sympathetic toward the Terminators than T2 John was. As in Derek's time line, this is a source of discomfort for the resistance fighters, and as mentioned by Jesse, something that is costing many resistance fighters their lives, or at least she sees it that way. I am very interested to see how they continue to make this play out, sure it could be better done than the writers are managing to do it (I think this is inherit with short deadlines, numerous writers, and overall story arcs with poorly planned details, as can be seen in other shows like Heroes and Lost), but in this day and age of crappy TV shows and movies, this one is at least very entertaining and takes place in a universe of a franchise I have been a fan of for a long time.

Throughout all the time travel going on, it is very possible that Skynet was able to alter the time line by carrying information back in time to allow them to better develop means of time travel, and as a result are able to send more soldiers back with greater ease than back in the days of T1.

On a final note, many people often point out how ridiculous T1 is, since the whole plot is a paradox. If Kyle was not sent back in time, then John would not be born, and if John was never born, he couldn't send Kyle back in time to impregnate his mom. I have always realized this was true, but it never really bothered me too much. However, while a linear time line makes this idea very silly, the idea of alternative futures and branching time lines actually allows for this idea to work perfectly. Imagine if in a much earlier time line, the resistance fighter Kyle is sent back for some other reason, perhaps to stop the war all together, during his mission he meets Sarah, and the two fall in love and hook up, during his time with her he tells all about the Skynet and the future war, then somewhere along the line he is killed. Sarah raises John, telling him stories about the resistance and the war with Skynet. John grows up with the knowledge this is going to happen, and when it does he is ready to rise to the occasion and ends up becoming a great leader in the resistance. When we eventually get to the branch in this time line where Skynet sends a T-800 back in time to kill his mom, this John realizes that it has to be Kyle who goes. Then Kyle tells Sarah his son becomes their great leader, she goes through the trauma of nearly being murdered by a terminator, and sees the man she fell in love with get murdered, she becomes the militaristic mother we know from T2, who feels she must ensure her son becomes this great leader, which as a result, as seen in TSCC, we have John doubting himself and feeling a lot of pressure of becoming something he doesn't feel he can become. If we don't assume T1 is the original unaltered time line, then everything fits together rather nicely.

C3PX said:

I hear a lot of people are starting to get fed up with this show, but I think it is getting better and better. If you check out page one of this thread, originally I was pretty harsh on the show, and the sheer amount of time travelers was one of the reasons. In the films each side only sends one soldier back, it seems like if it were an easy process, they'd just send a whole army back to whipe out John and ensure Skynets safety.

 

Maybe the difficulty is in getting the time machines built.  We know they can send 4 through time from the show (John, Sarah, Cameron, can't remember who was the fourth, but I'm pretty sure there was a fourth).  Of course, that might just be a matter of scale.  Anyway, my point was going to be that the time machines are probably a prime target.  They might take a while to build, needing secrecy the whole time.  If the location gets out, then the other side would make an attempt to destroy it.

This would probably also lend some credence to Kyle's statement in T1 about winning the war.  The humans were about to destroy the facility and only jumped into the time machine in order to follow the lone Terminator.  With the future altered, another time machine would be built in an effort to kill John (T2).  Wash, rinse, repeat.

I'm still at least one episode behind, so I don't totally understand why they'd send one all the way back to 1920 (or whatever the date was) unless it's to kill the entire Connor tree.  But I would think they risk altering the events that lead to Skynets creation in that case too.

People are making a big deal about the sending a Terminator back to 1920 thing (as mentioned in the advertisement for tonight's episode, but the fact is we already know of a resistance fighter send sometime around then (don't remember when exactly) to get a job working on the bank vault from the pilot, so he could put the time travel device pieces in the safe deposit box. The machines could have very well been up to some sort of similar plot, setting things up for use in the future. Whatever it is, I don't think it has anything to do with the Connors.

Yeah starting to get back to the future ish which is rediculous.

The show has become a joke to the Cameron Terminators.

And the time lines getting skewed every week is much more confusing than trying to make sense of T3 after seeing the first 2 movies.

Its Like star trek the next generation every week they can hit the reset button.

Still the show is exciting and action packed and far more enjoyable to most of tv.

Compare this Show to Heroes which has become a joke of Late.  Producers being fired, and its creator lashing out at fans.