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Am I the only one that didn't like some aspects of the last two episodes? First, they take the highly advanced CPU and stick it in what appears to be a PCIe slot. If the original Judgment Day was August 29, 1997, I think it's safe to assume that the technology would not necessarily have gone in that direction. I know it's a nitpick, but I have a real problem when they do that in shows like this. Yeah, let's use a piece of tech from 2007/8 to read an advanced piece of tech that was probably not designed for the tech from 2007/8.

My second problem was right after that, they start invoking Moore's law. Again, if the CPU from 1997 were that far advanced (we're led to believe in T2 that it was the most advanced thing they'd ever seen), it would be light years ahead of a PCIe slot.

Third, I'm having a hard time accepting the "Sometimes they go bad, no one knows why". So they were able to reprogram a terminator (T2), set it's CPU to read only, and make it not kill people and follow orders from John Connor, yet it might "go bad"? It's a computer. I didn't really even like the terminator in T3 being able to override the programming that the other one gave it (one among many problems with that movie). But since they're disregarding T3, then that never happened.

I just don't think we needed this whole subplot of Cameron acting shady and a T-888 integrating itself into a marriage. I'll probably watch it some more, assuming they bring it back. I just hope they stop trying to use today's tech to access advanced future tech.
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Yeah, I can't say those things don't bother me. I always roll my eyes at those moments. And yeah, the whole "sometimes they go bad" thing was lame too, unless they explain some logical reason why this happens some time later in the show (like a timed auto-reset the machines resort to after they discover their soldiers are being reprogrammed and used against them) it would have been left out.

The whole head flying through the time bubble, Cromarties high tech futuristic endoskeleton managing to remain undiscoverd for so long and then functioning without a head was a horrible idea. We discover that there are at least two other T-888s there at the same time as Cromartie (I also hate that he has a name), why couldn't they have just replaced him with a fourth T-888? That way Cromarties body could have once again been used for research like in T2. Also they could have saved theirselves a lot of dumb plot wholes by giving these guys liquid metal skin for shape shifting. Then instead of the Terminator being married, he could have just assumed the woman's husbands identity. Same thing for Cromartie and the FBI/actor disguise. The whole idea of forcing a guy to do cosmetic surgery on you and then leaving without any bandanges is insane. Even if for the sake of keeping the budget low every liquid metal skin change had to be done off screen, it would have saved the show from alot of its problems.

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Hopefully the last couple of episodes turned out like that mainly due to the writer's strike - having a 22 episode season condensed into 13 (studio decision?) and then into 9 episodes in a very short space of time must have gave the writers (along with the other production staff) a major headache in how to pan out the first season - let alone coming up with an ending to the season.

I think there's enough quality on show in the first season to warrant and second season (and more) - and hopefully a longer one at that.

I'll definitely be tuning in for more.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, Summer may be a little too far on the thin side, but damn she is hot. I find myself very attracted to her, maybe it could be she is a fellow Texan, we know how to build'em down here ya' know.

Anyhow, I dang sure hope this carries on to a second season. I agree with C3PX that a shape shifter would have made things much easier. Now, I am not in the business, but it seems that it would be cheaper to do CG effects than it would to have actors do anything. I mean, any nerd with a Mac can conjure up some shape shifting video. I could be wrong though.
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It breaks my heart that people actually think this series with this cast deserve a season two to "finally" have a chance to prove itself. If they can't make a decent show in the first season then it doesn't deserve a second. Ratings aside. And summer glau terminator is still a stupid concept.
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Originally posted by: ferris209
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Summer may be a little too far on the thin side, but damn she is hot. I find myself very attracted to her, maybe it could be she is a fellow Texan, we know how to build'em down here ya' know.

Totally agree. Watching her do that ballet I was like "Wow".

Originally posted by: deespence2929
It breaks my heart that people actually think this series with this cast deserve a season two to "finally" have a chance to prove itself. If they can't make a decent show in the first season then it doesn't deserve a second. Ratings aside. And summer glau terminator is still a stupid concept.


Um, why? I think any show that starts in the middle of a strike is going to need a second chance. But why is Summer as a terminator a stupid concept? Do Terminator's suddenly need to be all buff and decked out? It's freaking machine. Who cares if it's a little thin and looks dainty. All the better to kill you with when you think "it's just a little girl". If I was designing a machine to kill people that had to fool people into thinking it couldn't hurt them, that's exactly what I'd do.

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Originally posted by: deespence2929
It breaks my heart that people actually think this series with this cast deserve a season two to "finally" have a chance to prove itself. If they can't make a decent show in the first season then it doesn't deserve a second. Ratings aside. And summer glau terminator is still a stupid concept.


It breaks your heart? Don't you think you might be being a bit dramatic? Have you flipped through the channels on your TV lately? There is so much crap out there, there are hardly any good shows at all. Even the shows that are touted as the best on TV suffer from severe issues. Sci-fi shows especially. Look at 'Lost' and 'Heros'? Two big highly rated network sci-fi shows, both of them are flagship programs for their network, both of them with multiple seasons, and they are both chock full of logical errors and poorly thought out story telling. If the top network shows can get away with these things, then I see know reason why a new comer should be held to such higher standards. As for the cast, come on, are they really that bad? I think you are being too critical. Look at ST:TNG, those guys stunk up the set during the first couple of seasons with some pretty rotten acting, any number of other shows have had it pretty rough for the first while as the actors learning their roles. With all the crap on TV these days that are continuing on for years, I really don't think you should be getting your heart broken on account of some people on a Star Wars forum thinking T:SCC should be given a chance beyond 9 episodes. Thinks like pretty girls and family pets getting run over by cars should be the kind of things that break your heart. If you really dislike T:SCC so much, just don't tune in and don't read discussion boards regarding the subject. I hate daytime soap operas and the NFL with a passion, but my heart doesn't break everytime an old woman flips on her TV or every time the guys at work talk about American football.

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Originally posted by: lordjedi


It's freaking machine. Who cares if it's a little thin and looks dainty. All the better to kill you with when you think "it's just a little girl". If I was designing a machine to kill people that had to fool people into thinking it couldn't hurt them, that's exactly what I'd do.


I think in season two they will reveal that old John Connor sent his modified Love-o-Matic™ robot back in time as a gift for his 15 year old self... a great gift for any 15 year old boy, with the added plus that it could save his life in the event of any assassination attemps.

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Originally posted by: C3PX
Originally posted by: lordjedi


It's freaking machine. Who cares if it's a little thin and looks dainty. All the better to kill you with when you think "it's just a little girl". If I was designing a machine to kill people that had to fool people into thinking it couldn't hurt them, that's exactly what I'd do.


I think in season two they will reveal that old John Connor sent his modified Love-o-Matic™ robot back in time as a gift for his 15 year old self... a great gift for any 15 year old boy, with the added plus that it could save his life in the event of any assassination attemps.


Yeah, my wife hits me every time because I watch it and say "Damn, if I was John, I'd be so taggin' the metal by now!"
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What do think she's going to look like now that she's been blown up? Are they going to have to grow her some new skin just like Cromartie did?

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I'm assuming her "skin" will be charred up a bit. I'm also assuming that they'll be able to replace her skin fairly easily. If the other Terminator knew how to do it, there's no reason to believe that she didn't.
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Originally posted by: ferris209


Yeah, my wife hits me every time because I watch it and say "Damn, if I was John, I'd be so taggin' the metal by now!"


Between that and the thing she said about Nora on Firefly, your wife seems really cool.

As for what Cameron will look like, she has been scratched up a bit before, and her wounds seemed to heal. Maybe she has a special type of skin that can regenerate itself. I am sure they wont want to change the way she looks, I doubt she will take much damage at all. Probably just a few burns. Or they'll replace her with another actress . It would be kind of cool to see her exoskelton walking around for a bit, but that would get old fast and would be contrary to the "light on special effects" theme the show has had so far.

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If they bring terminator back then they have to give other crap shows that don't prove themsellves a second chance two. I've heard a few people eager for cavemen to return on tv, or for its season dvd set. Just cause the source material "geico commmercials" was good don't mean that the tv shows will be good. Same with this tv series. Writers strike really is irrelevant cause the scripts were pretty much finalized before it started.
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Originally posted by: deespence2929
If they bring terminator back then they have to give other crap shows that don't prove themsellves a second chance two. I've heard a few people eager for cavemen to return on tv, or for its season dvd set. Just cause the source material "geico commmercials" was good don't mean that the tv shows will be good. Same with this tv series. Writers strike really is irrelevant cause the scripts were pretty much finalized before it started.


Is your life so boring that you have time to bitch and whine on a forum that nobody seems to like you on? How lame.

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I didn't realize it mattered if I was liked. If not caring for this lame off spinoff makes me disliked I can live with that.
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Originally posted by: deespence2929
If they bring terminator back then they have to give other crap shows that don't prove themsellves a second chance two. I've heard a few people eager for cavemen to return on tv, or for its season dvd set. Just cause the source material "geico commmercials" was good don't mean that the tv shows will be good. Same with this tv series. Writers strike really is irrelevant cause the scripts were pretty much finalized before it started.


Fair enough. One problem though. They for Terminator is Fox. They for the Caveman show is ABC. According to Wikipedia, the shows ratings started ok but quickly fell. On the other hand, Terminator ratings have been much better. Even though episodes following the pilot haven't had as high of ratings, they've still had higher ratings than the caveman show. Those higher ratings, especially with nothing else on right now, are reason enough to bring it back for another season.
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If that was enough reason they would of renewed the series instantly. It's still undecided.
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Uh, not quite. According to this, Fox has a tendency to wait until May. The only show I know of in recent memory that not only had a full 22 episode Season 1 and was then renewed after just 13 episodes was Heroes. Even 24 didn't get a 2nd season until the end of the first.

TSCC wasn't going to be renewed almost instantly in the middle of a strike. Remember, the series started during the strike and the strike only ended a few weeks ago. Now that they know they can have the writers actually write the show, they can make a decision about bringing it back. And I tend to agree with that site I linked. With T4 coming next year, they'd be crazy not to renew it. There's no better way to build a following then to get people interested in a show and have those same people go see a movie.
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If the show is boring it could also hurt the box office too. The last terminator movie was released 5 years ago. If this show is their most recent memory of the series and it's a bad impression they could lose interest in seeing the movie. Also, most agree that cancelling Star Trek : TNG improved box office for star trek generations. In the long run the movies will probably bring in more money than a tv show. There are at least 3 more movies planned I believe.
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Three more Terminator movies? That is absurd. What a dumb idea. After seeing the show I am more excited about Terminator 4. Before I knew there would be a show, any talk about Terminator 4 made me roll my eyes because of the massive turd that was T3. But seeing the show has kind of got me back in the series.

Anyway, we get the point, you don't like the show. That is good. I dislike my fair share of TV shows too. Do you realize that about half your total posts have been in a thread about a TV show that you dislike so much your heart breaks when people like it? If you are enjoying the conversation, by all means continue, but I think you might find it more enjoyable to discuss things you like. I don't think T:SCC is the greatest show ever made, but being loosely based on a couple of movies I liked a lot when I was a teenager, I am finding it enjoyable and entertaining. It is not on par with the first two films, but no Terminator sequels or spin-offs ever will be.

So deespence, what TV shows do you like? I am not asking so I can attack you for liking them, I am just curious. The only shows I watch are Lost, BSG, and now T:SCC, so as you can see I tend to stick to confusing Sci-fi. I am sure there are better shows out there, but I don't like to sit in front of the TV very much, I prefer reading or engaging in conversation. TV usually comes in when I am too tired to read, but not tired enough to sleep.

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As for what Cameron will look like, she has been scratched up a bit before, and her wounds seemed to heal. Maybe she has a special type of skin that can regenerate itself. I am sure they wont want to change the way she looks, I doubt she will take much damage at all.

Well, it is living flesh, so it can have basic "healing abilities", which could certainly be enhanced.

Secondly, I'm sure she's built out of the same futuristic materials that allowed Star Trek Voyager to suffer tremendous damage and still be repaired in time for the next episode without any kind of drydock or repair station.

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Originally posted by: C3PX
Originally posted by: ferris209


Yeah, my wife hits me every time because I watch it and say "Damn, if I was John, I'd be so taggin' the metal by now!"


Between that and the thing she said about Nora on Firefly, your wife seems really cool.

As for what Cameron will look like, she has been scratched up a bit before, and her wounds seemed to heal. Maybe she has a special type of skin that can regenerate itself. I am sure they wont want to change the way she looks, I doubt she will take much damage at all. Probably just a few burns. Or they'll replace her with another actress . It would be kind of cool to see her exoskelton walking around for a bit, but that would get old fast and would be contrary to the "light on special effects" theme the show has had so far.


Damn, C3PX, you're memory astounds me. Truly, you ought to be an investigator with that kind of memory. I'm serious.

*ferris209 looks on in awe*



Heh, here's what I know about this subject. Summer Glau if HOT and damn SEXY for a skinny gal. This series got a rough start, but it is ticking along good now and I am enjoying it, I hope it goes in for the second full showing. Interesting idea about seeing Cameron naked!!!!!! er, uh, her exo-skeleton. *my wife hits me again right about....................now*
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Originally posted by: deespence2929
If the show is boring it could also hurt the box office too. The last terminator movie was released 5 years ago. If this show is their most recent memory of the series and it's a bad impression they could lose interest in seeing the movie. Also, most agree that cancelling Star Trek : TNG improved box office for star trek generations. In the long run the movies will probably bring in more money than a tv show. There are at least 3 more movies planned I believe.


Except that, at least here, you're the only one that finds the show to be boring. Having an average of 9.9 million viewers isn't bad. In fact, it's not that different from at least a few other shows like Prison Break and Bones. I know of only one show (not a reality program either) that has been an instant success in recent history and that's Heroes. Even 24 started out with less than 9 million viewers, but picked up another 2 million in its second season.

I think people agree with that about Star Trek simply because by cancelling TNG, Paramount could dump all the money for effects into a movie instead of putting it into the TV show and a movie. Not only that, but did you watch TNG after Season 5? It got horribly bad. It needed to be cancelled so the franchise could move forward. Of course, it looks like it's going to take a "reboot" in order to resurrect the franchise at this point.

In the long run, I can easily see the Terminator TV show getting better and getting more people to the box office. T4 just needs to be better than T3 was. That shouldn't be hard to do since T3 largely sucked.
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I don't watch alot of tv anymore since I moved to canada and the channels are all different. Terminator is replayed her on CTV tho, and I didn't find it interesting, it actually fits in with the boring shows they usually play on this station.

Yes, most of my posts were spent in this thread, mostly causee there isn't that many to post in. And I did post in the one thread about if people hate episode 3, and then they got deleted so the thread would unanimouslly post dislike to it.

I wasn't much of a critic of tv shows back then, so to me the last season of TNG seemed just as good as the last, I thought it was a littlle early to cancel it actually, but at least it got a longer run than the original Star trek I think.
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Originally posted by: deespence2929
I did post in the one thread about if people hate episode 3, and then they got deleted so the thread would unanimouslly post dislike to it.


You are saying that the mods deleted your posts because you said you liked Revenge of the Sith and they wanted every post to be against it?

Are you sure that is the reason it was deleted? Sounds like paranoia to me. People have gotten away with saying some pretty harsh things against Jay and the mods without having their posts deleted, I don't believe they would delete your post just because they wanted it to look like everybody here dislikes Episode III. There are a ton of people here who have been posting their fondness for ROTS since it was first released, and their posts remain untouched.


As for TNG, I thought it had a pretty good run. Seven years ought to be enough for just about any show, I am glad they cancelled it while it was still on top. The original Star Trek ran for just three seasons, so TNG ran for four years longer than TOS.

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