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Not sure if there was already a thread for this or not, but this new info from IGN today I figured why not start a new one anyway.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/771/771425p1.html

So, it is going to be a reboot rather than a prequel. I am not sure what to think about it. I have always had a slight fondness for Star Trek, wouldn't consider myself a real "fan" though. My thoughts is that with Star Trek there really isn't a way to ruin it. It is already such a tangled mess. It would be like ruining the EU of Star Wars. Just isn't possible. When I heard it would be a prequel I groaned. Now it is a reboot... interesting. A reboot featuring Kirk and Spock... I fill the urge to groan again. However, either way it has me curious. I was very skeptical about the Bond "reboot" and I ended up loving it. Of course on the other hand I was very excited about the Superman reboot and... well, I am still not ready to talk about that yet.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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What is a reboot?
Fez: I am so excited about Star Whores.
Hyde: Fezzy, man, it's Star Wars.
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It would be like ruining the EU of Star Wars. Just isn't possible.


That's classic.


I can't wait to see Ben Afflec signing 8x10 glossies at a Con.
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I hope the film does well and takes Trek into a fresh direction - however for that to happen it will need something few Trek films have had of late... a decent story.

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I would like to see it do good. If it is anything like the Bond reboot it will kick ass.


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I will be very scared if Adrien Brody ends up playing Spock. Combining my girlfriend's two unattainable love interests will render me completely obsolete.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I just can't picture Adrien Brody as Spock.


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Hmm, I don't know, I have to admit I am also a Star Trek fan (yes, I love Star Wars AND Star Trek, I am an enigma) I am knid of scared what may happen to the franchise with this thing. However, if it gets the blessing of Shatner, Nimoy, and Majel Barrett-Roddenberry (Gene's wife and a big player in the series, she ISTHE voice of the computer and Counselor Troi's mother), then maybe I'll bite.
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Don't forget Christine Chapel and Number One.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I still have a hard time imagining anybody playing Kirk and Spock. Also Ferris, I am not sure how merrit I would give to this because it has the blessing of Shatner and Nimoy, have you seen them in any good priceline commercials lately?? Or any of the books they have written? Not the highest standards. Oh well. Anyway, yeah, I have a hard time imagining anybody else playing those to characters. This isn't like Superman or Batman or Bond who have been played by countless (yes, I exaggerate) different actors. As far as I have always been concerned Shatner IS James T. Kirk and Nimoy IS Spock. Any other actor playing them just isn't them. Just like any other actor playing Luke or Han just wouldn't be right. A reboot of the series I ldo like the idea, but this is still in a way be a prequel as it is about Kirk and Spocks past.

What I think would have been really cool for a reboot of the series would have been to go with Captain Christopher Pike. He is already an established character, but so little is known about him it doesn't matter. They could do pretty much anything they wanted with him. He doesn't even have a reputation as a Captain (i.e. Kirk being a flirtatious sleaze, or Capt. "I am going to go listen to some Mozart, read some Charles Dickens, and sip some Earl Grey tea" Picard) so they could still develope his character as they wanted. And whatever actor you get to play him would fit because there isn't a set standard to live up to. Even inventing a new capt. and crew could be interesting.

If they are truly trying to appeal to a wider audience as they claim, then why use old favorites when they won't be the old favorites of that wider audience? Star Trek fans are going to go see this one way or another, so you know it is not for their sake. Most ST fan will probably hate the new actors portraying these legendary characters anyway, so even more evidence it is not for their benefit.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I rather like that idea about Christopher Pike. As a guy who has recently wondered what Star Trek as a whole would have ended up being like if Jeffrey Hunter had agreed to come back after the pilot (especially considering he passed on only a few years later), it makes me particularly interested in what they could do with that character (or even his entire original crew) in a new movie.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: C3PX
I still have a hard time imagining anybody playing Kirk and Spock. Also Ferris, I am not sure how merrit I would give to this because it has the blessing of Shatner and Nimoy, have you seen them in any good priceline commercials lately?? Or any of the books they have written? Not the highest standards. Oh well. Anyway, yeah, I have a hard time imagining anybody else playing those to characters. This isn't like Superman or Batman or Bond who have been played by countless (yes, I exaggerate) different actors. As far as I have always been concerned Shatner IS James T. Kirk and Nimoy IS Spock. Any other actor playing them just isn't them. Just like any other actor playing Luke or Han just wouldn't be right. A reboot of the series I ldo like the idea, but this is still in a way be a prequel as it is about Kirk and Spocks past.

What I think would have been really cool for a reboot of the series would have been to go with Captain Christopher Pike. He is already an established character, but so little is known about him it doesn't matter. They could do pretty much anything they wanted with him. He doesn't even have a reputation as a Captain (i.e. Kirk being a flirtatious sleaze, or Capt. "I am going to go listen to some Mozart, read some Charles Dickens, and sip some Earl Grey tea" Picard) so they could still develope his character as they wanted. And whatever actor you get to play him would fit because there isn't a set standard to live up to. Even inventing a new capt. and crew could be interesting.

If they are truly trying to appeal to a wider audience as they claim, then why use old favorites when they won't be the old favorites of that wider audience? Star Trek fans are going to go see this one way or another, so you know it is not for their sake. Most ST fan will probably hate the new actors portraying these legendary characters anyway, so even more evidence it is not for their benefit.


Yeah, you made some extremely valid points. I also love your Capt Pike idea. Maybe we ought to see if the Star Trek folks will listen us, since it is obvious Lucas Film will not.
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Only one man can truly be the captain of the Enterprise:

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I think Star Trek Nemesis is a clear indication of when the 'wrong' people get involved with the production of Star Trek. If they want to ensure success, The need only hire Nicholas Meyer. The old 'even / odd' theory about the series is Bunk, The early even numbered films were good cuz they were all done by Meyer.

This could go either way, Enterprise [the series] was a bit of a reboot but it still managed [despite what some fans think] to fit into the 'universe' of Star Trek. If it's going to be a 'Reboot' Then why retread characters at all? Why not simply focus on fresh characters? - Or are they looking at this from a 'cash cow' point of view?

I think a focus solely on the relation between Kirk and spock is a tired theme and they should be worried about crafting a good story.


"The economic models of the other [films] were very much based on the fans out there and their purchasing power," says Orci. "With this one we're going for the broad audience to bring people into Trek for the first time."


- It's obvious by this that we are dealing with idiots here...Didn't ANYBODY learn ANYTHING from a little film called AVP [alien vs predator]. I mean WHO exactly will this film be aimed at? Doesn't sound at all like it's for fans of the established saga.


Paramount offered the team full access and support when approaching the franchise. That, combined with their script -- which the writers say adheres to Trek creator Gene Roddenberry's original vision for the franchise - meant this was a project they couldn't pass up.


I'm getting mixed signals here? is it a 'reboot' or is it not? These guys are all over the place with their comments. Unless they have been taken way out of context which i think is equally likely i guess.

If it's a toss up between a crap star trek film or no film at all then I say no movie at all. Don't get me wrong, I hope it's great but current signs indicate [to me] that this is a doomed production. I'd love to be wrong about this...
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Nemesis was horrible and I'm pretty sure that this is going to be equally nonsensical. (A "reimagining?") I wouldn't mind being pleasantly surprised though.

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Originally posted by: Johnny Ringo
I think Star Trek Nemesis is a clear indication of when the 'wrong' people get involved with the production of Star Trek. If they want to ensure success, The need only hire Nicholas Meyer. The old 'even / odd' theory about the series is Bunk, The early even numbered films were good cuz they were all done by Meyer.

This could go either way, Enterprise [the series] was a bit of a reboot but it still managed [despite what some fans think] to fit into the 'universe' of Star Trek. If it's going to be a 'Reboot' Then why retread characters at all? Why not simply focus on fresh characters? - Or are they looking at this from a 'cash cow' point of view?

I think a focus solely on the relation between Kirk and spock is a tired theme and they should be worried about crafting a good story.


"The economic models of the other [films] were very much based on the fans out there and their purchasing power," says Orci. "With this one we're going for the broad audience to bring people into Trek for the first time."


- It's obvious by this that we are dealing with idiots here...Didn't ANYBODY learn ANYTHING from a little film called AVP [alien vs predator]. I mean WHO exactly will this film be aimed at? Doesn't sound at all like it's for fans of the established saga.


Paramount offered the team full access and support when approaching the franchise. That, combined with their script -- which the writers say adheres to Trek creator Gene Roddenberry's original vision for the franchise - meant this was a project they couldn't pass up.


I'm getting mixed signals here? is it a 'reboot' or is it not? These guys are all over the place with their comments. Unless they have been taken way out of context which i think is equally likely i guess.

If it's a toss up between a crap star trek film or no film at all then I say no movie at all. Don't get me wrong, I hope it's great but current signs indicate [to me] that this is a doomed production. I'd love to be wrong about this...



I seriously wish they would have left it at Insurrection, Nemesis was kind of a downer ending. I think it sucks to have it as the last Picard crew film. The killing off of Data really seemed like they were going to go somewhere with it, and now it is just a loose end. I agree the whole even - odd film thing is the lamest excuse. If you want to film to be good make an effort, if you want to squeeze at the teats of the cash cow then so be it. No excuses. Many of the ST films are very clearly teat squeezing. This film is very obviously just that. The fact that they are trying to aim for a wider audience and cast big Hollywood names to play Kirk and Spock is clear evidence of this.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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One thing it may have going for it is that they seem to be focused on an actual mission and what may happen rather than presenting a sinister Villain character that the last few films made a very tired premise. At first Nemesis looked interesting, Later i realised that the trailers were showing 100% footage that does not appear in the film at all, So the movie I was drawn to did not actually exist. that part I don't mind so much but most of the characters had no depth.

I'm guessing Star Trek as it were is either dead or one foot in the grave at this point.


All said and done I wouldn't mind seeing Gary Sinise playing Bones.