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Originally posted by: ricardo
The US will make it all the way this year. i feel it in my bones.


I love the optimism - but you've just made it twice as hard to get out of your group. Here's looking for McBride or Donovan to do a Cahill !
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
USA vs Czech Republic starts in 1 minute...

Originally posted by: ricardo
at least england's won it once. the US only just started qualifying after a 40 year dry spell... Yeah, so by my calculations they have to wait another 40 years of actually playing in the tournament without winning (like England) and then it will be their turn.

Originally posted by: theredbaron
Having lived in America for a month and a half
I didn't realise you were a fellow new-immigrant. I've been here almost exactly a month and a half too.

Originally posted by: theredbaron
And yeah, the Japanese call it 'sakkaa', but that's obviously due to a heavy American influence as well. I've never heard a Japanese person even mention football (or should I say, 'futtobooru'?).
And the Italians call it 'Calcio'.


Well, I've been and gone in America - I lived all around for a month and a half with friends I have in different US cities - at the beginning of the year (after living in Japan for three weeks).

Speaking of Japan, OOOH BABY, WE WON! Man, you should have seen the excitement of my friends and fellow countrymen. We had a gathering of about fifteen people at a friend's house in front of a screen projector and we were jumping and screaming like a bunch of psychos! Man, we were so dirty about that unpunished blockage of our goalkeeper in the first half, it was just so brilliant to see us take it back in the last ten minutes with a convincing three goals! The Aussie ideal of the underdog and 'fair go' was alive and well in this game. The Japanese were taking dives left, right, and centre, wasting tonnes of time (I bet they regretted that) after their first goal, but we all had faith. We kept the pressure on, kept the possession up, and kept taking those shots. I think we were definitely the better team and the third goal was just to prove it. We are so proud of our boys right now.

It was a pity to see the Japanese play so dirty (they almost faked more injuries and falls than Netherlands and Serbia combined last night), as I know them to be such an honour-bound people. Especially after the media attack they put on us before the match (accusing us of being too rough, which perhaps explains the referee's over-vigilance to penalise).
MTFBWY. Always.

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Originally posted by: meedermow
Originally posted by: ricardo
The US will make it all the way this year. i feel it in my bones.


I love the optimism - but you've just made it twice as hard to get out of your group. Here's looking for McBride or Donovan to do a Cahill !


don't believe in superstition. but, as you know, anything's possible in the world cup.

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Man, USA looked HORRIBLE.

3-0 with 10 mins left. Terrible. They're not making it out of the group alive. Probably won't even get a win.
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Originally posted by: ricardo
Originally posted by: meedermow
Originally posted by: ricardo
The US will make it all the way this year. i feel it in my bones.


I love the optimism - but you've just made it twice as hard to get out of your group. Here's looking for McBride or Donovan to do a Cahill !


don't believe in superstition. but, as you know, anything's possible in the world cup.


Does that include scoring 3 goals in 20 minutes to even hope to progress out of the group stage !?

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0:3... my bet with 1:3 was quite good wasn't it? ...but I think there is a chance for the US boys to defeat ITALY.

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I think it's pretty much over for the USA... I was really disapointed at the result! Czech Republic is good but USA has done some good games before. Now it gets complicated for the US, because both countries will lose for Italy and beat Gana, so Italy and Czech gets to move to the next round. Oh well better luck next time. If the USA invest in this sport a bit more, it can do well. I mean, it's not like they don't have the resources for it, all they need is support and trainning.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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USA were so disapointing. They were practically standing still, none of the players wanted the ball, they repeatedly failed to clear the ball when it came into their area, and they kept passing backwards and then losing the ball instead of trying to push it forward. Very disapointing. All they can hope now is that Italy and Ghana draw and then somehow USA beat Italy, which is unlikely if they play like that again.

War does not make one great.

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Ghana is looking more impressive than the US did in their first game. 1-0 Italy up after the first half. That's not bad.

Being a GK myself, I can say that Ghana's keeper is a little too daring, but is keeping them in the match.

Well, work's over with. Time to go home.
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I've been invited to watch the Brazil game tomorrow at a local pub, so I'll have to ask permission to leave early as 3:30PM (I will start working at 7 and will not break for lunch). But the problem is, I work directly with people from north america, americans and canadians, with almost no interaction and management from locals, so it's kinda hard to convince them that this is actually OK and not some lame excuse for me to skip work. Hell, it's a holiday here on thursday and I'll work!

Reminds me of this hilarious advertisement shown here for a cable pay-per-view game. Shot kinda like "The Office", this old man gets into an office and talks to this man: "Look, I know I shouldn't be doing this. My grandson, he works for you, and he bought this game on pay-per-view, and we wanted to watch it together, we've always seen the games together since he was a little kid... And he said he couldn't do it because of his job, so I decided to come here and ask for your permission for him to leave early just for today."

The boss smiles, and picking the phone, says: "Oh, you're too late. He left 5 minutes ago, to attend your funeral. *to the phone* Hello? Human Resources department?"
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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^LOL

Well, no surprises in group E then. That second Italian goal was classic Italy.

USA are in some real trouble now. They need to beat Italy and hope that Czech Republic also beat Italy. They also need to not let their gaurd slip against Ghana, who didn't look too bad today despite losing.

War does not make one great.

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Originally posted by: HotRod


It was called football , way, way, way before you yanks decided to call it soccer, just so you could call your handball game football. Why not call your game soccer and leave football to the game that uses 1) feet and 2) a bloody ball!!


I do believe in the early days there alot more kicking in football than there is today. Also, I believe that ball used to be rounder in shape. But, just because a ball is not perfectly circular, does that mean that is is not a ball?

What is wrong with preplanned plays? As meantioned before, football requires one thing soccer does not: strategy. It is a game that requires intelligence, not just brute stength. It shares some qualities with chess.

Football imho, is much more exciting to watch. Atleast there is alot more scoring. To me nothing is sports compares with watching a team that is behind trying to move the ball down field to score with less than two minutes to play and no time outs.

Ric, football and baseball became popular in America long before tv was around.

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Originally posted by: Warbler
Originally posted by: HotRod


It was called football , way, way, way before you yanks decided to call it soccer, just so you could call your handball game football. Why not call your game soccer and leave football to the game that uses 1) feet and 2) a bloody ball!!


I do believe in the early days there alot more kicking in football than there is today. Also, I believe that ball used to be rounder in shape. But, just because a ball is not perfectly circular, does that mean that is is not a ball?

What is wrong with preplanned plays? As meantioned before, football requires one thing soccer does not: strategy. It is a game that requires intelligence, not just brute stength. It shares some qualities with chess.

Football imho, is much more exciting to watch. Atleast there is alot more scoring. To me nothing is sports compares with watching a team that is behind trying to move the ball down field to score with less than two minutes to play and no time outs.

Ric, football and baseball became popular in America long before tv was around.




Ric was making an observation of football as it is today, not the way it was before the TV was popular. To me American football is painful to watch with all those stupid outs. Like every ten seconds the timer stops. Anyway, you prefer American football and you think it is better. That is fine. The rest of the world has little or no interest in it, but I can't think of anywhere other than America that lacks an interest in real football/futbol/"soccer" There is nothing wrong with you liking American football better than what the rest of us like. Yanks have always decided to float their own direction.
I didn't read the part where somebody said there was a problem with preplanned plays, and I don't believe there is a problem with it myself, but I fail to see any simularities between American football and chess.

The only thing that bothers me about American football is that they stole the name of a game that had been around longer. It is just really confusing. I like football better than baseball or basketball, but I don't have a problem with them because I am not forced to call (our) football by a different name for clairifications sake we refering to them. I always feel bad for imigrants that live in America who are forced to call it "soccer"

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Originally posted by: Warbler
What is wrong with preplanned plays? As meantioned before, football requires one thing soccer does not: strategy. It is a game that requires intelligence, not just brute stength. It shares some qualities with chess.

Football imho, is much more exciting to watch. Atleast there is alot more scoring. To me nothing is sports compares with watching a team that is behind trying to move the ball down field to score with less than two minutes to play and no time outs.

Warb, you'r entitled to your sporting opinion, but some of your posts make it seem that you don't know what you are talking about. 'Soccer' doesn't require strategy? Or intelligence? 'Soccer' requires 'just Brute Strength'?

Also, there are no time outs in 'Soccer', and the same excitement of watching (or hoping for) your team to move the ball down the field to score with less than 2 minutes to play can be (and often is) found in 'Soccer' too. And, IMO, the fact that goals are fairly rare in 'Soccer' adds to the excitement - they are much more valuable, anticipated and appreciated that way. A single goal can make or break a goal, because there won't be 25 more still to come.

I've already stated that I don't know enough about American football to comment and therefore I won't. They seem to be two totally different games, and I'm sure American football has many merits. The only thing that bugs me is the name, for the reasons C3PX already addressed. I wish they didn't share a name so stupid comparisons like this wouldn't occur, and so I wouldn't have to call it 'Soccer' as I have been doing for this whole post.

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Argentina will win this year and Wayne Rooney will lead England to the semi finals
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^ I wouldn't refer to it as 'soccer' - use the term 'football', mate. Then, use the term 'gridiron' or 'padded US rugby' for American football



On the World Cup front I have to say the Czech looked mighty impressive today - put a £5er on them at 33/1 to win the thing last week - hopefully there attacking play won't be too disrupted by the injury to Koller - and that the returning Baros will more than make amends for any shortcomings up front.

Thought the US were poor after 30mins - too predictable and although they managed to get in good positions out wide - the delivery was sub-par. If they had an attacking central midfielder then it would give them some much needed variation.

Italy looked good, though were under pressure from Ghana's full backs throughout as they played a narow 3 in midfield with Totti as roaming playmaker. Though Ghana did well, but lacked that killer pass & shot. Kuffour should have been still sent off for that reckless challenge from behind when the Italian forward went through on goal - but turned out was offside...

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Originally posted by: Warbler
What is wrong with preplanned plays? As meantioned before, football requires one thing soccer does not: strategy. It is a game that requires intelligence, not just brute stength. It shares some qualities with chess.

Football imho, is much more exciting to watch. Atleast there is alot more scoring. To me nothing is sports compares with watching a team that is behind trying to move the ball down field to score with less than two minutes to play and no time outs.

Ric, football and baseball became popular in America long before tv was around.


I also find American Football exciting to watch, but only on brief moments. That Superbowl in which the Titans lost for an inch, that was exciting. But that's it, it's a rare event. It's mostly pre-planned, rehearsed strategies that feel like pro-wrestle: it's rehearsed, it's "staged", only difference is the other side is not aware of which strategy will be chosen. After both are picked, that down is pretty much defined, there isn't much room for improvising. The quarterback might not see anyone free for a pass and try to run for it, but most likely he'll just move back, look around and be tackled by the defence. End of play. Fourth and eight, the team will actually QUIT the atack and kick the ball. But only after these messages from the sponsors.

Football, on the other hand, is non-stop. What makes it less exciting for you is the fact that the scores are low, and it takes too long for another team to score. Think of it as watching a chess game (American Football is more like paper-scissors-rocks, football is more like chess), how often, in a pro match, do you see the players moving the pieces amock, running with their queens, capturing every piece around, with cheerleaders jumping at each piece captured, grabbing the king in an amazing move? Never. Most frequently there won't even be a checkmate at all, the other player will resign (well not on the ot.com tournament but still ).

This is how football really is. It's a sport played on the field, not by increasing numbers around a score. Every time a team has possesion of the ball, it's exciting. The whole team playing as defence, trying to move around the best strategy to desarm the play, using real strategies (not reharsed plays) and real skill. And then the team moves to attack, moving the ball the fastest way, the best way, to make sure the foward players get to score.

Come to think of it, I belive the reason for this lack of interest in football by north americans is because it's a sport that demands passion. It's not a show, or, as to the comment above: a show later transformed into a TV show. It demands that you root for a team. That you project that emotion into the game being played. That you have a freaking heart attack every time the oposing team is getting closer to your goalkeeper. In north america, people don't have a devotion to a certain team. There's no real spirit of celebrating the team's victory and feeling bad about the losses the way we do in south america and europe. THAT is the difference, I belive...
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Another good post Ric - you always seem to express what I am thinking but can't put into words. I must say though that a lot of Americans are passionate about an individual team in whatever sport it is they follow, so I don't quite agree with you there, but i do understand what you are getting at. Americans (in general, not all) like a 'show', a performance, big explosions and cheerleaders, with a monster truck show at half time. It's just how they are.
Originally posted by: oojason
On the World Cup front I have to say the Czech looked mighty impressive today - put a £5er on them at 33/1 to win the thing last week
33/1? Bloody hell that's good odds, especially as they are ranked #2 in the world. I put a fiver on England to win all their group games AND USA to qualify for the second round and I only got 10/1!! Then again, you never get decent odds on England in England because they're the home team and everyone would bet on them even if they were piss poor, just out of loyalty.

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YIYF, there no explosions in the game of football and no trucks. They are of course cheer leaders. Is that a bad thing ?!? But none of these things exist in baseball.
btw, I never meant to imply that soccer requires just brute strength and no intelligence. Sorry.

Ric, I must strongly disagree with your belief that Americans aren't loyal or passionate to their teams. We are VERY passionate about our teams. I feel every win and loss the Phillies and Eagles have. I was crushed when the Eagles lost the Superbowl in 1981 and 2005, and when they lost the 3 conference championship games before 2005. But the most pain I ever felt while watching a sporting event was when Joe @#$%ing Carter of the Toronto Bluejays hit that homerun in 1993 to win the World Series over the Phillies. Walk into a bar in Boston and question the loyalty and passion of the Redsox fans and see what response you get. You want to see passionate fans? Watch college football. I dare you to listen to 610WIP (a sports talk radio station in Philadelphia) for an hour and then question the loyalty and passion of American fans.

Also please stop comparing football to wrestling. Wresting in totally preplanned. It is not a sport, it's play. Football is definitely not a play. The results not known ahead of time. They are playing a real game out game. Yeah, the plays are reheased, but NOT WITH THE OTHER TEAM!!!!!!!!! Many unexpected things can happen during a play(fumbles, interceptions, penalties, broken plays). Also, do you think memorizing exactly where you have to be and what you have to go on each play is easy for a player? The chess comparison I was refering to was the fact the coach has to decide which play to call. The coach in more important in football than in any other sport. Comparing moving down the field in soccer to football is like comparing apples to oranges. In order to get the ball down the field in soccer, you send some players to other end of the field and just kick the ball to them. The ball and go from one end of the field and back again multiple times in 2 minutes in soccer. That is not true in football. In football, you move the ball about 5 yards a play(if your lucky). In football, moving the ball down the field in two minutes is all about controling the clock and calling the right kind of plays and hurrying to line up in order get the next play off, and getting out of bounds so the clock stops. Playing a QB, Running Back, Reciever, Punter, and kicker require great skill. Playing football requires a great amount of team work as well, especially on the offensive and defensive lines.

I suppose both games are good for different reasons. But soccer just isn't my sport.
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I absolutely do not understand the discussionsabout soccer, football and american football. There is actually nothing to talk about IMHO. You like it or you like it not. I don't think there is to much politics involved. And then... what if the USA suddenly favoured football (the european one)? With their big budgets and their unmatched youth sport promotion they would very soon be THE place for football. It would be like icehockey. And since I am very proud to live in Europe and be part of the strongest leagues in the world, I am enjoying it as long as it lasts.

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Originally posted by: Warbler
YIYF, there no explosions in the game of football and no trucks. They are of course cheer leaders. Is that a bad thing ?!? Cheerleaders a bad thing? Of course not! Trucks would be cool though. Explosions too.
Originally posted by: Warbler
In football, you move the ball about 5 yards a play(if your lucky). In football, moving the ball down the field in two minutes is all about controling the clock and calling the right kind of plays and hurrying to line up in order get the next play off, and getting out of bounds so the clock stops. Playing a QB, Running Back, Reciever, Punter, and kicker require great skill. Playing football requires a great amount of team work as well, especially on the offensive and defensive lines. I didn't understand a word of that, which just goes to show that the 2 games are comparable in name alone.
Originally posted by: Warbler
I suppose both games are good for different reasons.
Agreed.
Originally posted by: Warbler
But soccer just isn't my sport.
Fair enough.
Originally posted by: boon23
I absolutely do not understand the discussionsabout soccer, football and american football. There is actually nothing to talk about IMHO. You like it or you like it not. I don't think there is to much politics involved. And then... what if the USA suddenly favoured football (the european one)? With their big budgets and their unmatched youth sport promotion they would very soon be THE place for football. It would be like icehockey. And since I am very proud to live in Europe and be part of the strongest leagues in the world, I am enjoying it as long as it lasts.
Good point. Do we really want the yanks muscling in and introducing explosions and trucks to our game?

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again, there are no trucks or explosives used in Football.
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That's a shame. Maybe we should start a new sport which does involve exposions and trucks. We can call it 'Deathball'.

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