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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

JadedSkywalker said:

I’m really curious as to where they will get the original colors from 1977, 1980 and 1983 and to know they are accurate.

What references do they have. I’m somewhat skeptical because Lowry messed them up twice.

I don’t think Lowry “messed them up”. The DVDs and BDs almost certainly looked as George wanted them.

He just really loves magenta.

Faelin said:

These leaked shots look absolutely gorgeous, so much depth that had been lost in the various editions.
Whilst I typically prefer many of the changes Lucas made to the Original Trilogy, I look forward to seeing what comes of this. In any case, this new restoration will give fan editors so much better material to work with, and we should be excited for the wellspring of creativity that comes with it.

I think in an ideal world these would be released as are and also used for the base for the 2011 blu-ray special editions as well.

That guy with no name said:

Mocata said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

JadedSkywalker said:

I’m really curious as to where they will get the original colors from 1977, 1980 and 1983 and to know they are accurate.

What references do they have. I’m somewhat skeptical because Lowry messed them up twice.

I don’t think Lowry “messed them up”. The DVDs and BDs almost certainly looked as George wanted them.

He just really loves magenta.

Which is odd, considering he oversaw and approved the gorgeous 1997 SE color grade lol…

It was only working with Lowry that he was able to realise his original vision.

That guy with no name said:

Mocata said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

JadedSkywalker said:

I’m really curious as to where they will get the original colors from 1977, 1980 and 1983 and to know they are accurate.

What references do they have. I’m somewhat skeptical because Lowry messed them up twice.

I don’t think Lowry “messed them up”. The DVDs and BDs almost certainly looked as George wanted them.

He just really loves magenta.

Which is odd, considering he oversaw and approved the gorgeous 1997 SE color grade lol…

The original negative was so faded that when it came to making the IP that would be the basis of the SE, they couldn’t afford to “experiment” with the colors that could be achieved with analog color correction; it was either have color again or never finish and end up completely wearing out the OCN until it was too late. With digital technology, George had the luxury of doing it, but for the 97 SE they had to be sure with what they had.

I posted over in the OT section before I knew about the discussion going on in this thread. I figured I’d repost what I wrote there:

bloop said:

Hey, long time lurker. I just registered because I never had much to post about. I saw the supposed “leaked restoration footage” on youtube and wanted to share some observations and thoughts. Here’s the link to the footage:

[[NOTE: Since I’m a new member, I can’t post website links yet, so I had to add spaces in between the . and the com in these links. I know it’s a pain, but if you want to go to the links, you’ll have to copy and paste them without the spaces.]]

youtube. com/watch?v=4Z6TpkT-6AY

I grabbed a few frames and did a comparison on another website forum, so I’m reusing those pics here. I’m comparing the “leaked restoration footage” with the Star.Wars.4K77.2160p.UHD.No-DNR.35mm.x265-v1.4 version:

therpf. com/forums/attachments/leaked-20th-century-fox-logo-png.1992607/
therpf. com/forums/attachments/05-star-wars-4k77-2160p-uhd-no-dnr-35mm-x265-v1-4-mkv_snapshot_00-00-05-858-jpg.1992590/
therpf. com/forums/attachments/tantive-iv-blurry-png.1992608/
therpf. com/forums/attachments/05-star-wars-4k77-2160p-uhd-no-dnr-35mm-x265-v1-4-mkv_snapshot_00-02-35-185-jpg.1992592/
therpf. com/forums/attachments/tantive-iv-clear-png.1992609/
therpf. com/forums/attachments/05-star-wars-4k77-2160p-uhd-no-dnr-35mm-x265-v1-4-mkv_snapshot_00-02-35-193-jpg.1992593/

Now, I realize the YouTube converts and compresses video when you upload, so there might be some detail loss, but I grabbed screens from the 4K version, so it should be pretty good, at least for the points I make.

So, I don’t think the restoration looks all that good. Here’s my issues, which you can see in the above pic links:

• The “restoration” footage looks like they used way too much noise reduction, to the point to where most of the film grain has been lost. Losing grain means losing detail, and you can see it in my examples. The 20th Century Fox production logo animation is almost free of grain and looks to be digitally sharpened. They left in the hair on the top of the frame, which I could understand leaving, since you can see the hair in other footage of the 20th logo (I found it on a 16mm clip online and in 4k80). But the fact that they scrubbed the rest of the grain and details away along with the blemishes but left the hair seems odd. Maybe they aren’t done, but it seems almost like they just used AI or an automated filter to “clean” the frames, but the hair is big enough and remains constant throughout the opening that the AI/filter assumed it was supposed to be there. The cloud background and light beams from the spotlights especially look too free of detail. The whole thing just looks very flat, very “CG.”
  In the droid pics on the Tantive IV, the walls especially have been scrubbed of grain and detail, with missing panel lines and barely visible panels. I used a blurry shot and a clear one so you can see how much detail the blurry 4K77 screenshot still has in comparison. You can see the loss of detail in the droids as well.

• The colors are too saturated, not representative of the original theatrical release of the film. Also, the 20th logo background is practically purple, and the walls of the Tantive IV should have a slight brownish tint, as in the 4K77 version. Instead, the colors are too blue. The walls in the “restoration” look more like a low saturation gray tone. I’ve seen lots of posts on color grading over in the Star Wars Restoration subforum here, with posts by user Dr. Dre being especially researched on getting colors more accurate to the original, theatrical release, so I’m pretty confident that these “restoration” colors are NOT accurate.

• The footage has been cropped - see that C-3PO’s head is significantly cut off in the “restoration” footage, and R2’s lower panels are cut off at the bottom of the frame. I don’t see any reason for cropping that much, unless the film was in such bad shape along the edges that they had to crop the damage out, which I doubt, because 4K77 has no cropping. You’d expect an official restoration would use the highest quality sources, better than what Team Negative 1 had to work with. I can only think of one other reason to crop, and that’s if they applied too much digital sharpening, so that the frames look as if they have double lines around the edges.

All in all, it just looks bad for a supposed “restoration.” If this is an official restoration, sanctioned by Disney, maybe this isn’t representative of the finished product, but I don’t think that digitally removing detail and messing up the colors and cropping are things that a competent video editor should do, especially with a high profile project like this. Or maybe someone at Disney directed them to do it this way, I don’t know. It just seems like sloppy work. It bugs me that so many people are gushing about this “restoration” in the comments on YouTube. I realize most people don’t have the same eye for detail and knowledge about the way the film originally looked, or they just don’t care and want everything overly-smoothed, over-saturated and overly sharpened.

I’m just glad I have the Team Negative 1 editions.

bloop said:

I posted over in the OT section before I knew about the discussion going on in this thread. I figured I’d repost what I wrote there:

bloop said:

Hey, long time lurker. I just registered because I never had much to post about. I saw the supposed “leaked restoration footage” on youtube and wanted to share some observations and thoughts. Here’s the link to the footage:

[[NOTE: Since I’m a new member, I can’t post website links yet, so I had to add spaces in between the . and the com in these links. I know it’s a pain, but if you want to go to the links, you’ll have to copy and paste them without the spaces.]]

youtube. com/watch?v=4Z6TpkT-6AY

I grabbed a few frames and did a comparison on another website forum, so I’m reusing those pics here. I’m comparing the “leaked restoration footage” with the Star.Wars.4K77.2160p.UHD.No-DNR.35mm.x265-v1.4 version:

therpf. com/forums/attachments/leaked-20th-century-fox-logo-png.1992607/
therpf. com/forums/attachments/05-star-wars-4k77-2160p-uhd-no-dnr-35mm-x265-v1-4-mkv_snapshot_00-00-05-858-jpg.1992590/
therpf. com/forums/attachments/tantive-iv-blurry-png.1992608/
therpf. com/forums/attachments/05-star-wars-4k77-2160p-uhd-no-dnr-35mm-x265-v1-4-mkv_snapshot_00-02-35-185-jpg.1992592/
therpf. com/forums/attachments/tantive-iv-clear-png.1992609/
therpf. com/forums/attachments/05-star-wars-4k77-2160p-uhd-no-dnr-35mm-x265-v1-4-mkv_snapshot_00-02-35-193-jpg.1992593/

Now, I realize the YouTube converts and compresses video when you upload, so there might be some detail loss, but I grabbed screens from the 4K version, so it should be pretty good, at least for the points I make.

So, I don’t think the restoration looks all that good. Here’s my issues, which you can see in the above pic links:

• The “restoration” footage looks like they used way too much noise reduction, to the point to where most of the film grain has been lost. Losing grain means losing detail, and you can see it in my examples. The 20th Century Fox production logo animation is almost free of grain and looks to be digitally sharpened. They left in the hair on the top of the frame, which I could understand leaving, since you can see the hair in other footage of the 20th logo (I found it on a 16mm clip online and in 4k80). But the fact that they scrubbed the rest of the grain and details away along with the blemishes but left the hair seems odd. Maybe they aren’t done, but it seems almost like they just used AI or an automated filter to “clean” the frames, but the hair is big enough and remains constant throughout the opening that the AI/filter assumed it was supposed to be there. The cloud background and light beams from the spotlights especially look too free of detail. The whole thing just looks very flat, very “CG.”
  In the droid pics on the Tantive IV, the walls especially have been scrubbed of grain and detail, with missing panel lines and barely visible panels. I used a blurry shot and a clear one so you can see how much detail the blurry 4K77 screenshot still has in comparison. You can see the loss of detail in the droids as well.

• The colors are too saturated, not representative of the original theatrical release of the film. Also, the 20th logo background is practically purple, and the walls of the Tantive IV should have a slight brownish tint, as in the 4K77 version. Instead, the colors are too blue. The walls in the “restoration” look more like a low saturation gray tone. I’ve seen lots of posts on color grading over in the Star Wars Restoration subforum here, with posts by user Dr. Dre being especially researched on getting colors more accurate to the original, theatrical release, so I’m pretty confident that these “restoration” colors are NOT accurate.

• The footage has been cropped - see that C-3PO’s head is significantly cut off in the “restoration” footage, and R2’s lower panels are cut off at the bottom of the frame. I don’t see any reason for cropping that much, unless the film was in such bad shape along the edges that they had to crop the damage out, which I doubt, because 4K77 has no cropping. You’d expect an official restoration would use the highest quality sources, better than what Team Negative 1 had to work with. I can only think of one other reason to crop, and that’s if they applied too much digital sharpening, so that the frames look as if they have double lines around the edges.

All in all, it just looks bad for a supposed “restoration.” If this is an official restoration, sanctioned by Disney, maybe this isn’t representative of the finished product, but I don’t think that digitally removing detail and messing up the colors and cropping are things that a competent video editor should do, especially with a high profile project like this. Or maybe someone at Disney directed them to do it this way, I don’t know. It just seems like sloppy work. It bugs me that so many people are gushing about this “restoration” in the comments on YouTube. I realize most people don’t have the same eye for detail and knowledge about the way the film originally looked, or they just don’t care and want everything overly-smoothed, over-saturated and overly sharpened.

I’m just glad I have the Team Negative 1 editions.

K

That guy with no name said:

bloop said:

I posted over in the OT section before I knew about the discussion going on in this thread. I figured I’d repost what I wrote there:

bloop said:

Hey, long time lurker. I just registered because I never had much to post about. I saw the supposed “leaked restoration footage” on youtube and wanted to share some observations and thoughts. Here’s the link to the footage:

[[NOTE: Since I’m a new member, I can’t post website links yet, so I had to add spaces in between the . and the com in these links. I know it’s a pain, but if you want to go to the links, you’ll have to copy and paste them without the spaces.]]

youtube. com/watch?v=4Z6TpkT-6AY

I grabbed a few frames and did a comparison on another website forum, so I’m reusing those pics here. I’m comparing the “leaked restoration footage” with the Star.Wars.4K77.2160p.UHD.No-DNR.35mm.x265-v1.4 version:

therpf. com/forums/attachments/leaked-20th-century-fox-logo-png.1992607/
therpf. com/forums/attachments/05-star-wars-4k77-2160p-uhd-no-dnr-35mm-x265-v1-4-mkv_snapshot_00-00-05-858-jpg.1992590/
therpf. com/forums/attachments/tantive-iv-blurry-png.1992608/
therpf. com/forums/attachments/05-star-wars-4k77-2160p-uhd-no-dnr-35mm-x265-v1-4-mkv_snapshot_00-02-35-185-jpg.1992592/
therpf. com/forums/attachments/tantive-iv-clear-png.1992609/
therpf. com/forums/attachments/05-star-wars-4k77-2160p-uhd-no-dnr-35mm-x265-v1-4-mkv_snapshot_00-02-35-193-jpg.1992593/

Now, I realize the YouTube converts and compresses video when you upload, so there might be some detail loss, but I grabbed screens from the 4K version, so it should be pretty good, at least for the points I make.

So, I don’t think the restoration looks all that good. Here’s my issues, which you can see in the above pic links:

• The “restoration” footage looks like they used way too much noise reduction, to the point to where most of the film grain has been lost. Losing grain means losing detail, and you can see it in my examples. The 20th Century Fox production logo animation is almost free of grain and looks to be digitally sharpened. They left in the hair on the top of the frame, which I could understand leaving, since you can see the hair in other footage of the 20th logo (I found it on a 16mm clip online and in 4k80). But the fact that they scrubbed the rest of the grain and details away along with the blemishes but left the hair seems odd. Maybe they aren’t done, but it seems almost like they just used AI or an automated filter to “clean” the frames, but the hair is big enough and remains constant throughout the opening that the AI/filter assumed it was supposed to be there. The cloud background and light beams from the spotlights especially look too free of detail. The whole thing just looks very flat, very “CG.”
  In the droid pics on the Tantive IV, the walls especially have been scrubbed of grain and detail, with missing panel lines and barely visible panels. I used a blurry shot and a clear one so you can see how much detail the blurry 4K77 screenshot still has in comparison. You can see the loss of detail in the droids as well.

• The colors are too saturated, not representative of the original theatrical release of the film. Also, the 20th logo background is practically purple, and the walls of the Tantive IV should have a slight brownish tint, as in the 4K77 version. Instead, the colors are too blue. The walls in the “restoration” look more like a low saturation gray tone. I’ve seen lots of posts on color grading over in the Star Wars Restoration subforum here, with posts by user Dr. Dre being especially researched on getting colors more accurate to the original, theatrical release, so I’m pretty confident that these “restoration” colors are NOT accurate.

• The footage has been cropped - see that C-3PO’s head is significantly cut off in the “restoration” footage, and R2’s lower panels are cut off at the bottom of the frame. I don’t see any reason for cropping that much, unless the film was in such bad shape along the edges that they had to crop the damage out, which I doubt, because 4K77 has no cropping. You’d expect an official restoration would use the highest quality sources, better than what Team Negative 1 had to work with. I can only think of one other reason to crop, and that’s if they applied too much digital sharpening, so that the frames look as if they have double lines around the edges.

All in all, it just looks bad for a supposed “restoration.” If this is an official restoration, sanctioned by Disney, maybe this isn’t representative of the finished product, but I don’t think that digitally removing detail and messing up the colors and cropping are things that a competent video editor should do, especially with a high profile project like this. Or maybe someone at Disney directed them to do it this way, I don’t know. It just seems like sloppy work. It bugs me that so many people are gushing about this “restoration” in the comments on YouTube. I realize most people don’t have the same eye for detail and knowledge about the way the film originally looked, or they just don’t care and want everything overly-smoothed, over-saturated and overly sharpened.

I’m just glad I have the Team Negative 1 editions.

Firstly, the leaked shots have by far the most detail and grain ever seen in any official/non-official release. What you’re describing is compression, as these videos were posted on YouTube. We have sourced HQ captures of these videos, which tell a different story. All the screenshots in this thread (which you’ve hilariously been willfully ignorant of) are sourced from those captures, and if you actually look at them (with your eyes), you’ll see plenty of original grain and detail.

Secondly, the color is unbelievably accurate. Dr Dre himself has proclaimed them the best he’d ever seen and is even basing his next 4K77 color grade on them. Btw, the tantive walls are not brown FYI…

Thirdly, the cropping of these leaks has been identified as temporary, as these videos are for quality control, but many shots (especially from ROTJ) have had wider cropping than any other official release. Again, you would know this if you actually looked at the comparisons posted here instead of watching. A compressed YouTube video consisting of re-uploaded videos that were already compressed…

This plethora of “thoughts” is ridiculously brutish, uneducated, and downright wrong.

Here’s a video uploaded by Harmy himself to further educate you on the subject you are clearly horribly ignorant of.
https 😕/youtu.be/J29_AcURtyc?si=leBXOdD1H5qKeGWF

Good luck, my troubled friend.

You didn’t have comment the way you did. All I wanted to do is bring up what I saw from the video. I’m sorry I didn’t search through this post for those images you mentioned. It’s my fault, I admit. But I had posted in a different area which had no such photos, and I was directed to this thread for discussion of the topic of the video. You are rude and insulting for no reason. I DID mention that YouTube’s compression could be the reason for loss of detail, if you’d read my post more carefully, rather than quickly deciding to insult me. I guess you you were in a rush to prove you’re the smartest guy in the room, though. You could’ve simply stated the issues you had without being insulting. I reported your behavior, for whatever it’s worth, but I hope you got whatever pleasure you were seeking from being dismissive and pompous.

You didn’t have comment the way you did. All I wanted to do is bring up what I saw from the video. I’m sorry I didn’t search through this post for those images you mentioned. It’s my fault, I admit. But I had posted in a different area which had no such photos, and I was directed to this thread for discussion of the topic of the video. You are rude and insulting for no reason. I DID mention that YouTube’s compression could be the reason for loss of detail, if you’d read my post more carefully, rather than quickly deciding to insult me. I guess you you were in a rush to prove you’re the smartest guy in the room, though. You could’ve simply stated the issues you had without being insulting. I reported your behavior, for whatever it’s worth, but I hope you got whatever pleasure you were seeking from being dismissive and pompous.

So many people get this way around these various releases and this topic, its oh so tiring at this point. See that same kind of attitude on other social media sites, everyone jumping to prove how right they are. At this point I’m checking out of even reading these discussions and will wait for this official announcement that will be coming. Much like half life 3, I am sure its right around the corner.

That guy with no name said:

… is better than spreading misinformation…

He just wrote about his impressions and thoughts. He stated nothing as a fact…

oojason said:

NEW SCREENSHOT COMPARISON - AND A NEW VIDEO CLIP - FROM RETURN OF THE JEDI…

 

ALI…

God, I want to share my thoughts, and this can’t be ignored, but look at that level of quality. ALI is proving to be technological magic. Initially, I raised an eyebrow in concern when I read that this software extracts all the grain, fixes the underlying image, and then adds it back in. Even though they claim that not a single detail is lost, I was still worried, knowing that official Star Wars releases are usually disappointing and always seem to do something to ruin them. Here, they’re simply doing something unbelievable. If this is the level a 35mm film from the '70s and '80s can actually offer, imagine what we’ve possibly missed from other celluloid productions released on UHD. A while ago, I saw the new remaster of Jaws, and I couldn’t believe it; it looked PERFECT. The quality and the grain were exactly what this production was meant to showcase. But now I’m wondering if the ALI process would make it look even better.

Was the color being so washed out on 4K83 a result of source materials or a choice?

One thing I’ve been thinking about this restoration is: How are they going to handle the international dubs? For example, are they simply going to hire a Brazilian studio to make a new dub (as the special edition versions we have probably won’t fit well) or are they going to restore the old Herbert Richers dub somehow?

MORC said:

One thing I’ve been thinking about this restoration is: How are they going to handle the international dubs? For example, are they simply going to hire a Brazilian studio to make a new dub (as the special edition versions we have probably won’t fit well) or are they going to restore the old Herbert Richers dub somehow?

Disney maintains its own archive of every dub created for its films. For example, in 1997, when the Special Edition was released in Spain, 20th Century Fox commissioned the dubbing of the new scenes using the existing dub as a base. To do this, they first had to digitize the dub so it could be played on a DTS CD and then combine it with the new dubbed scenes. However, the dub from the unmodified version was still present, albeit in analog format. What Disney would have to do is re-digitize each dub for this restoration, since, as I’ve already mentioned, the changes for the Special Edition were made and applied digitally. It will be difficult to re-digitize each European dub, the Asian ones, and perhaps the Latin American one, but digitally they won’t have to modify anything, just clean them up until they sound like new, as they’ve done with previous releases (except for the Castilian Spanish dub, because we continue use the DTS 5.1 DVD track in 2025 thanks to Disney and Divisa Films).

Good question MORC!

Obviously, with the newer 1997 dubs, Disney won’t have much to do other than remix them, but what about the near-lost or “technically inadequate” quality dubs? (these were prepared for the first cinema and/or TV/VHS release only that year.)

A very good example is the lost/incomplete dubbing, a Turkish cinema dubbing made in 1979-80, considered a legend until recently. 10-15% of the dubbing are is missing. Can this be found in any archive from another source, will it be possible to replace/fixing it? In its current state, it only exists in vhs quality.

Examples of original cinema and TV/VHS dubs: In Hungarian terms, the mantra from Lucas/the distributor has always been (because of THX??) that this and that dub is technically not of adequate quality, and in terms of dubbing, it is not uniform, so we do not use it, we have to make a new one. Here, the 3rd dubs are only officially available. (Cinema: 1997, this was inherited by the 2011 BD and newer releases, with minor changes.) While, among the first dubbings, ESB was already included in Hungarian dubbing, in domestic cinemas (1981-1982), in the case of ANH, Magyar Televízíó created a dubbing for it (1984), in the case of ROTJ, for the GUILD VHS release (1993) these were completed. (Or could it still be lost here as well as elsewhere?) I wonder if there will be a new release containing official “Hungarian aspects”, what will be included on the discs??

Or rather, should we trash the 1997/2011 dub and make a completely new one? (However, I’m afraid of that. How demanding, well-done work will it be?) I think the older/original dubs have a large fan base elsewhere. Many people also like them, compared to the newer versions. These were made for copies before 1997SE, almost without exception.

In place of the above questions, could the German cinema/vhs dubs, in the case of their language, the fate of early dubs in Spanish, Italian, French and many other languages, each according to their own country/language, what will be the fate of these? They would still live on in the form of fan edits by fans, maybe there will be a TV/cinema presentation again, but they will be left out as home videos, from the new distribution?

Similarly, an interesting question is what will happen to the unique Opening/Ending Credits in different languages ​​(Hungarian, Italian, French, German, etc.)? For the BD/digital releases, these were solved with CGI, although they also exist in 16/35mm format. Will these also be scanned and pasted into the 1977 US/UK cinema copy they are currently working on? Or, which national film archives still have early 1977/1981 16/35mm prints, could they even appear as local extras? Even then, let’s not even talk about the many copies with subtitled in specific languages. (ex: Hungarian subtitles and english dubbed prints.)