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Reasons to hate the Special Editions

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I thought this forum could use a new thread, so...

List as many reasons as possible to hate the Special Editions of Star Wars (including the Prequels, as they too are being modified.)

Can't think of any right now, but I might.
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Revisionist history.
I am fluent in over six million forms of procrastination.
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It's the end result of the process of historical revisionism.
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I actually like the asian dancer in Jedi Rocks, mostly because I have a crush on asian woman . I tried making ChefElf apologize for dissing her (he was the only one I know who did), and he thought I was joking .
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Lapti-Nek was really bad. But Jedi Rocks was terrible.

ESB and the RotJ ending were, IMO, improved with the SE's.

ANH had a lot of changes, most were ok, but there were many small changes that, together, dragged the film down.

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The only change I don't like was greedo shoot first in the 07 versions, which now has been slightly improived to "greedoi shoots at the same time."
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I don't like the extended music scene in ROTJ. I just don't like it.
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Me neither. Me neither. To be honest, I don't like either version's ending that much. It just leaves things far too open, and it makes them seem like they're in no better position than they were at the end of the first movie. Maybe an epilogue with a scene officially ending the war or starting up the New Republic.

But it's too late now, so leave it alone, Georgie-boy.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Maybe an epilogue with a scene officially ending the war or starting up the New Republic.


Now THAT I would like!
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Sigh. I hate myself.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Please, no more changes. Didn't we have enought already?
I actually hate the Jabba the Hutt scenes in ANH worse than the Greedo shoots first. Not that like Greedo shooting first, but the Jabba scene is a repeat of the dialouge in the Greedo scene, and it makes Jabba look like a cheap, stupid hood instead of the vile intergalactic crime boss he is in ROTJ. Not to mention the CGI Jabba looks horrible in the '97 special editions, and not much better in 2004 DVD, and nothing like the ROTJ Jabba. Also, do we need a birth of the New Republic scenes? No more Emperor, Vader, etc means no empire. I don't think it is nessicary to spell it out, and slow down the ending of ROTJ.
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I don't want any changes, either, but a lot of the argument over why the celebration on planets immediately after the destruction of Death Star II is completely stupid is the fact that it's impossible for the Empire to be completely dead by that point. There is no way in hell that people would be partying on Coruscant, the Imperial capital for crying out loud, right after DSII blows up! So that's why I say that the ending of Return of the Jedi, from any version, leaves things a bit too open ended and in only a slightly better position than they were after the first movie.

Just to make it clear: I am NOT lobbying for any changes (do I ever?!), I'm just admitting that even I find flaws with the OT and things that I think could have been done better.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Yeah, the Empire wasn't even completely destroyed for 15 years! There was Thrawn attempting to take back the New Republic, and such. I agree with your Gaffer Tape on that.
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Now, let me get this straight. Gaffer says two different things -- contradicting things, at that (that there should be an epilogue scene ending the war, and that the war goes on for years afterwards) and Adam agrees with both. Why not contradict the first point the first time?

This goes back to "the fool or the fool who follows..." except that I don't think Gaffer a fool.
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Originally posted by: sybeman
Now, let me get this straight. Gaffer says two different things -- contradicting things, at that (that there should be an epilogue scene ending the war, and that the war goes on for years afterwards) and Adam agrees with both. Why not contradict the first point the first time?

This goes back to "the fool or the fool who follows..." except that I don't think Gaffer a fool.


Well, thank you for not thinking me a fool. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I used to word epilogue to imply that this scene would take place far down the road, when the war actually did end. Maybe some montage of post-Death Star battles, etc. Or maybe stills from said battles with a narrational piece. But it might end up too convoluted and confusing, especially since George's style never allows for the unrealistic passage of time, like montages.

**USUAL DISCLAIMER** Not supporting change, just throwing out an idea. You know the drill. Kinda like fanfiction.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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out of all the movies im not sure if i can decide whether ANH or ROTJ suffered more...

ANH had Greedo shooting first, shitty looking Jabba who gets pushed around by Han and the whole Mos Eisly scene sucked big time...

ROTJ had two pathetic musical numbers, Jedi Rocks and that dumb flute ending (not sure if it was a flute or not but it didnt suit the scene at all, and then of course Hayden...

bottom line is ESB was definatly the most watchable of the SE's but still sucked....
i really think i only liked 1 or 2 changes of the SE's

Biggs being reincorporated into the end of ANH... and the scene with the bantha hurd walking as Jabba's sail barge went overhead...

i still find the SE's a joke though...
i mean they really did ruin what was left of the OT...
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While I prefer the 77-80-83 version, I can still appreciate the Special Editions for what they were. Anyone who saw them in the theatre can attest to the fact that the comraderie of fans was amazing.

The SE's revitalized Star Wars fandom, for better and for worse, and they deserve their propers for that. I think that they may have been looked upon more favourably were it not for the Prequels and Lucas' reluctance to release the originals in a modern format.
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To me personally it was about five things which I hated from 97 and did spoil my enjoyment of The Classic Trilogy and the relutance to release the Thetrical Cuts on a decent format did annoy me and still does, but I think I would have gritted my teeth and carried on with them, but to me personally the removal of Sebastian Shaw from Jedi was it with Georges SEs(i was out of the SW picture for a time and didnt know of the change) and the perfomance wasnt any good and worthy, thankfully i found e-bay for a copy of o-ot eventually and found this place eventually.
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I thought the job they did with Shaw in ROTJ was excellent, If I look back on the original the, eyebrows look strange to me.

I guess if you dismiss the prequels you hate the fact Hayden's ghost is in ROTJ, but for those who didn't grow up with just seeing Shaw, it might be different, so I showed both scenes to 3 kids and asked them if the Shaw or Hayden Anakin ghost made more sense, 2 of the 3 told me that young Anakin made more sense to them since "the old guy" doesn't look anything like the Anakin they know, my daughter though Anakin would probably choose to look young instead of old, and my son suprised me by saying both made sense to him, I asked him which one made you feel better about the ending he said the new Anakin.

I didn't get into detailed questions about redemption, I just wanted their gut reactions.

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Originally posted by: Tim Lehrbach
I thought the job they did with Shaw in ROTJ was excellent, If I look back on the original the, eyebrows look strange to me.

I guess if you dismiss the prequels you hate the fact Hayden's ghost is in ROTJ, but for those who didn't grow up with just seeing Shaw, it might be different, so I showed both scenes to 3 kids and asked them if the Shaw or Hayden Anakin ghost made more sense, 2 of the 3 told me that young Anakin made more sense to them since "the old guy" doesn't look anything like the Anakin they know, my daughter though Anakin would probably choose to look young instead of old, and my son suprised me by saying both made sense to him, I asked him which one made you feel better about the ending he said the new Anakin.
I didn't get into detailed questions about redemption, I just wanted their gut reactions.


I agree with your analysis, I am not a Hayden hater though personally I do think someone maybe could have done a better job than him though he was alright in Sith to me, and like Sith

The problem I have with the change It seems out of order to me to replace a dead actor or any actor and it does change the story and the performance which I have commented on was bad and not fitting end to me IMO as it was a costume test not a filmed performance (and I always loved Shaw at the end) which won me over even less to the point with all these I said no more..., that have said issues apart i can accept Lucas reason which I am sure wasnt to sell more DVDs through the change, but it has created a lot of arguments about the redemption and the moral issue of wiping out an actors performance .
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I don't hate either version to be honest, but I think concept wise Lucas should have made Anakin alot older in Episode I to begin with (roughly the same age as Luke in ANH), so that by the time Episode 3 rolled around he would have been at least 30 years old, and by the end of Episode 6 he would have been in his late 50's, which match Shaw's look a little better.

To me Episode 3 Anakin should actually be the look of Episode 2 Anakin, and Episode 3 Anakin should resemble Shaw's look, but again it's all conceptual flaws IMO.