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I want to read the treatments Dale Pollock read and had to sign a NDA to do so.

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JadedSkywalker said:

I want to read the treatments Dale Pollock read and had to sign a NDA to do so.

Me too. Same with knowing the nine part story George told Richard Marquand.

“Heroes come in all sizes, and you don’t have to be a giant hero. You can be a very small hero. It’s just as important to understand that accepting self-responsibility for the things you do, having good manners, caring about other people - these are heroic acts. Everybody has the choice of being a hero or not being a hero every day of their lives.” - George Lucas

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Can never get over the line of thinking that because Lucas had multiple ideas for the sequels that means he had x number of alternate versions, the creative process aside along with the fact that these are three movies we’re talking about already, this is the guy obsessed with intercutting multiple stories.

“The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.” - DV

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act on instinct said:

Can never get over the line of thinking that because Lucas had multiple ideas for the sequels that means he had x number of alternate versions, the creative process aside along with the fact that these are three movies we’re talking about already, this is the guy obsessed with intercutting multiple stories.

Same. Stories change and evolve. This is nothing new. My story I’m writing is vastly different from what it was when I started. However many of the core elements remain. I don’t think it makes me a bad person to change my mind.

“Heroes come in all sizes, and you don’t have to be a giant hero. You can be a very small hero. It’s just as important to understand that accepting self-responsibility for the things you do, having good manners, caring about other people - these are heroic acts. Everybody has the choice of being a hero or not being a hero every day of their lives.” - George Lucas

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Stardust1138 said:

act on instinct said:

Can never get over the line of thinking that because Lucas had multiple ideas for the sequels that means he had x number of alternate versions, the creative process aside along with the fact that these are three movies we’re talking about already, this is the guy obsessed with intercutting multiple stories.

I don’t think it makes me a bad person to change my mind.

No, in fact I would say that makes you a better writer! Rewriting, and thinking along different lines than you did at first, can be hard.

“Remember, the Force will be with you. Always.”

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act on instinct said:

Can never get over the line of thinking that because Lucas had multiple ideas for the sequels that means he had x number of alternate versions, the creative process aside along with the fact that these are three movies we’re talking about already, this is the guy obsessed with intercutting multiple stories.

We know for a fact that the one he submitted in 2012 wasn’t the microscopic one, or the one with Darth Maul, and an older one which isn’t the one submitted in 2012, the microscopic one, or the one with Darth Maul. It could be that the older one was just spitballing, the one submitted in 2012 was catering to Disney, and that he had one main idea with the microscopic ideas and Darth Maul coming back. But I find it more likely he was spitballing the whole time and never had one, single ST idea.

Reading R + L ≠ J theories

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SparkySywer said:

act on instinct said:

Can never get over the line of thinking that because Lucas had multiple ideas for the sequels that means he had x number of alternate versions, the creative process aside along with the fact that these are three movies we’re talking about already, this is the guy obsessed with intercutting multiple stories.

We know for a fact that the one he submitted in 2012 wasn’t the microscopic one, or the one with Darth Maul, and an older one which isn’t the one submitted in 2012, the microscopic one, or the one with Darth Maul. It could be that the older one was just spitballing, the one submitted in 2012 was catering to Disney, and that he had one main idea with the microscopic ideas and Darth Maul coming back. But I find it more likely he was spitballing the whole time and never had one, single ST idea.

Not true. Check out this interview with Jett Lucas from 2013. He knew in 2011 that George was writing for the Sequel Trilogy.

https://youtu.be/x5GD7GwU9xo

The claims that Darth Maul and Midi-Chlorians weren’t part of these treatments are from unclaimed sources. I trust George and Jett more than I do narrative. Disney has actively tried burying what George says. They did the same thing when Marcia spoke out and with Jonathan Rinzler’s making of book for The Force Awakens. They put it on the shelf because it surely made them look bad. Disney has a long history of covering up things they don’t want the public to know.

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Stardust1138 said:

act on instinct said:

Can never get over the line of thinking that because Lucas had multiple ideas for the sequels that means he had x number of alternate versions, the creative process aside along with the fact that these are three movies we’re talking about already, this is the guy obsessed with intercutting multiple stories.

I don’t think it makes me a bad person to change my mind.

No, in fact I would say that makes you a better writer! Rewriting, and thinking along different lines than you did at first, can be hard.

I agree and it really is. It can also be quite funny too. It would be silly if I used my story I had long ago now. I don’t think anyone wants to see skeletons riding dinosaurs with weird aliens traveling in underwater ships with swords. Haha

“Heroes come in all sizes, and you don’t have to be a giant hero. You can be a very small hero. It’s just as important to understand that accepting self-responsibility for the things you do, having good manners, caring about other people - these are heroic acts. Everybody has the choice of being a hero or not being a hero every day of their lives.” - George Lucas

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Stardust1138 said:

SparkySywer said:

act on instinct said:

Can never get over the line of thinking that because Lucas had multiple ideas for the sequels that means he had x number of alternate versions, the creative process aside along with the fact that these are three movies we’re talking about already, this is the guy obsessed with intercutting multiple stories.

We know for a fact that the one he submitted in 2012 wasn’t the microscopic one, or the one with Darth Maul, and an older one which isn’t the one submitted in 2012, the microscopic one, or the one with Darth Maul. It could be that the older one was just spitballing, the one submitted in 2012 was catering to Disney, and that he had one main idea with the microscopic ideas and Darth Maul coming back. But I find it more likely he was spitballing the whole time and never had one, single ST idea.

Not true. Check out this interview with Jett Lucas from 2013. He knew in 2011 that George was writing for the Sequel Trilogy.

https://youtu.be/x5GD7GwU9xo

There is literally nothing in this video regarding the content of what he had written and submitted to Disney other than that it focused on passing the torch to a new generation of protagonists. What exactly is your point?

Reading R + L ≠ J theories

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SparkySywer said:

Stardust1138 said:

SparkySywer said:

act on instinct said:

Can never get over the line of thinking that because Lucas had multiple ideas for the sequels that means he had x number of alternate versions, the creative process aside along with the fact that these are three movies we’re talking about already, this is the guy obsessed with intercutting multiple stories.

We know for a fact that the one he submitted in 2012 wasn’t the microscopic one, or the one with Darth Maul, and an older one which isn’t the one submitted in 2012, the microscopic one, or the one with Darth Maul. It could be that the older one was just spitballing, the one submitted in 2012 was catering to Disney, and that he had one main idea with the microscopic ideas and Darth Maul coming back. But I find it more likely he was spitballing the whole time and never had one, single ST idea.

Not true. Check out this interview with Jett Lucas from 2013. He knew in 2011 that George was writing for the Sequel Trilogy.

https://youtu.be/x5GD7GwU9xo

There is literally nothing in this video regarding the content of what he had written and submitted to Disney other than that it focused on passing the torch to a new generation of protagonists. What exactly is your point?

You said that he was probably spitballing. That’s not the case. He was planning and writing his treatments for the Sequels back in 2011 and considering producing them himself before Disney came into the picture. All of which Jett confirms. There’s never been a reliable source to suggest what he told Paul Duncan is different from what he submitted to Disney in 2012.

“Heroes come in all sizes, and you don’t have to be a giant hero. You can be a very small hero. It’s just as important to understand that accepting self-responsibility for the things you do, having good manners, caring about other people - these are heroic acts. Everybody has the choice of being a hero or not being a hero every day of their lives.” - George Lucas

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I’m sorry man but the fact that he was writing treatments a year before submitting treatments doesn’t change my mind that he was spitballing for the 30 years leading up to that

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SparkySywer said:

Stardust1138 said:

SparkySywer said:

act on instinct said:

Can never get over the line of thinking that because Lucas had multiple ideas for the sequels that means he had x number of alternate versions, the creative process aside along with the fact that these are three movies we’re talking about already, this is the guy obsessed with intercutting multiple stories.

We know for a fact that the one he submitted in 2012 wasn’t the microscopic one, or the one with Darth Maul, and an older one which isn’t the one submitted in 2012, the microscopic one, or the one with Darth Maul. It could be that the older one was just spitballing, the one submitted in 2012 was catering to Disney, and that he had one main idea with the microscopic ideas and Darth Maul coming back. But I find it more likely he was spitballing the whole time and never had one, single ST idea.

Not true. Check out this interview with Jett Lucas from 2013. He knew in 2011 that George was writing for the Sequel Trilogy.

https://youtu.be/x5GD7GwU9xo

There is literally nothing in this video regarding the content of what he had written and submitted to Disney other than that it focused on passing the torch to a new generation of protagonists. What exactly is your point?

Passing the torch is exactly what Mark Hamill reported ages ago when talking about the sequels.

I think George hit on something he thought would make a good trilogy and went to work on it. How that would have developed is anyone’s guess. What he submitted to Disney was never going to be the final product. It was a treatment which means huge changes were likely before even the shooting draft of the script was ready. So even if we had those treatments to read, that would not have been what we would have seen in theaters.

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Don’t forget the version of the Sequels… that were novels (back in 1999):-
 

In 1999, an interview with George Lucas in Wired magazine, titled ‘Grand Illusion’… just a few months before the ‘Vector Prime’ book (from the ‘New Jedi Order’ series of novels) - began being heavily promoted (with tv advert and poster campaigns), a series of novels which Lucas himself was involved in and contributed to…

Interviewer: “What about the reports that Episodes 7, 8, and 9 - which exist in novel form - will never reach the screen?”

George Lucas: “The sequels were never really going to get made anyway, unlike 1, 2, and 3, where the stories have existed for 20 years. The idea of 7, 8, and 9 actually came from people asking me about sequels, and I said, “I don’t know. Maybe someday.” Then when the licensing people came and asked, “Can we do novels?” I said do sequels, because I’ll probably never do sequels.”

^ Grand Illusion - the full article at Wired.

 

A little more background info can be found here:-

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsEU/comments/hr1tnz/behind_the_scenes_the_making_of_the_new_jedi
 

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“The sequels were never really going to get made anyway, unlike 1, 2, and 3, where the stories have existed for 20 years. The idea of 7, 8, and 9 actually came from people asking me about sequels, and I said, “I don’t know. Maybe someday.”

Something I noticed that George has a tendency to do when he contradicts his earlier statements is he makes it seem like those earlier statements or ideas were just made up by fans.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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Servii said:

“The sequels were never really going to get made anyway, unlike 1, 2, and 3, where the stories have existed for 20 years. The idea of 7, 8, and 9 actually came from people asking me about sequels, and I said, “I don’t know. Maybe someday.”

Something I noticed that George has a tendency to do when he contradicts his earlier statements is he makes it seem like those earlier statements or ideas were just made up by fans.

Indeed. Or simply straight up attempting to lay the blame at the feet of the media…

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6 Episodes…

‘Creating The Galaxy: Myth Maker And Jedi Master George Lucas In His Own Words’, by Amy Longsdorf.

George Lucas: "Yes. The series starts with Darth Vader as a young lad and ends with him dying. So I don’t know where else I can take it.

Interviewer: “Wasn’t there talk at one time of three trilogies?”

George Lucas: “That was created by the media, not by me.”

^ ‘Merge Article - Lucas in his own words’ - a 2006 OT•com discussion thread

Despite George being on record, on many occasions, as stating that there are nine films in the Saga.
 

For example, a young George Lucas on film here…

“There are nine films - I think of it more as three three-act plays” - at 2 minutes 27 seconds in this video shown at Celebration 2019

 

At times it does seems that George likes to deflect his own erroneous claims, inconsistences and contradictions onto fans, media, or others… anyone but himself.

We all mis-remember events, or possibly exaggerate or play-down certain instances from our own history - yet many of us don’t have the benefit of a library of historical evidence on hand to look back on over time.

Why George doesn’t own up to, or even acknowledge, past claims, contradictions and discrepancies is lost on me. Maybe it is all ‘good’ PR / publicity to keep both the GFFA and himself topical?
 

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On a tangent to this… does anyone know of any decent articles, videos, or reliable sources of information… covering all of George Lucas’ various Sequel Trilogy ideas, claims, or apparent multiverses… down the years?
 

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I thought he said after Indiana Jones IV Lucasfilm was moving from the silver screen into television. This was before streaming was even a thing.

George Lucas had this tv series that the working title was called Star Wars Underworld. Did he really intend to do Star Wars sequels or Indiana Jones V. Because i just don’t see it. A couple of pages of notes isn’t a screenplay. He had hundreds of hours of scripts for that unmade tv series.

I would like to see his treatments be fleshed out, that was what i wrongly thought Michael Arndt was doing before the filming of 7 commenced.

George says Disney didn’t use any of his treatment or story and we have to take him at his word i guess.

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oojason said:

Don’t forget the version of the Sequels… that were novels (back in 1999):-
 

In 1999, an interview with George Lucas in Wired magazine, titled ‘Grand Illusion’… just a few months before the ‘Vector Prime’ book (from the ‘New Jedi Order’ series of novels) - began being heavily promoted (with tv advert and poster campaigns), a series of novels which Lucas himself was involved in and contributed to…

Interviewer: “What about the reports that Episodes 7, 8, and 9 - which exist in novel form - will never reach the screen?”

George Lucas: “The sequels were never really going to get made anyway, unlike 1, 2, and 3, where the stories have existed for 20 years. The idea of 7, 8, and 9 actually came from people asking me about sequels, and I said, “I don’t know. Maybe someday.” Then when the licensing people came and asked, “Can we do novels?” I said do sequels, because I’ll probably never do sequels.”

^ Grand Illusion - the full article at Wired.

 

A little more background info can be found here:-

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsEU/comments/hr1tnz/behind_the_scenes_the_making_of_the_new_jedi
 

For some reason , I am unable to see that article on reddit at that link . Sounded interesting from the comments . Was it removed , or is there a back up link ? or conversely , could you post the text of the article here ?

https://screamsinthevoid.deviantart.com/

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screams in the void said:

oojason said:

Don’t forget the version of the Sequels… that were novels (back in 1999):-
 

In 1999, an interview with George Lucas in Wired magazine, titled ‘Grand Illusion’… just a few months before the ‘Vector Prime’ book (from the ‘New Jedi Order’ series of novels) - began being heavily promoted (with tv advert and poster campaigns), a series of novels which Lucas himself was involved in and contributed to…

Interviewer: “What about the reports that Episodes 7, 8, and 9 - which exist in novel form - will never reach the screen?”

George Lucas: “The sequels were never really going to get made anyway, unlike 1, 2, and 3, where the stories have existed for 20 years. The idea of 7, 8, and 9 actually came from people asking me about sequels, and I said, “I don’t know. Maybe someday.” Then when the licensing people came and asked, “Can we do novels?” I said do sequels, because I’ll probably never do sequels.”

^ Grand Illusion - the full article at Wired.

 

A little more background info can be found here:-

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsEU/comments/hr1tnz/behind_the_scenes_the_making_of_the_new_jedi
 

For some reason , I am unable to see that article on reddit at that link . Sounded interesting from the comments . Was it removed , or is there a back up link ? or conversely , could you post the text of the article here ?

Hiya screams 😃 My apologies - I should have also said this too… click on a space where the text should be - and it will all appear.

I’m not sure if it to do with the text being a little lengthy - or an old spoiler code or something - but clicking on it should work, mate. 👍
 

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oojason said:

screams in the void said:

oojason said:

Don’t forget the version of the Sequels… that were novels (back in 1999):-
 

In 1999, an interview with George Lucas in Wired magazine, titled ‘Grand Illusion’… just a few months before the ‘Vector Prime’ book (from the ‘New Jedi Order’ series of novels) - began being heavily promoted (with tv advert and poster campaigns), a series of novels which Lucas himself was involved in and contributed to…

Interviewer: “What about the reports that Episodes 7, 8, and 9 - which exist in novel form - will never reach the screen?”

George Lucas: “The sequels were never really going to get made anyway, unlike 1, 2, and 3, where the stories have existed for 20 years. The idea of 7, 8, and 9 actually came from people asking me about sequels, and I said, “I don’t know. Maybe someday.” Then when the licensing people came and asked, “Can we do novels?” I said do sequels, because I’ll probably never do sequels.”

^ Grand Illusion - the full article at Wired.

 

A little more background info can be found here:-

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsEU/comments/hr1tnz/behind_the_scenes_the_making_of_the_new_jedi
 

For some reason , I am unable to see that article on reddit at that link . Sounded interesting from the comments . Was it removed , or is there a back up link ? or conversely , could you post the text of the article here ?

Hiya screams 😃 My apologies - I should have also said this too… click on a space where the text should be - and it will all appear.

I’m not sure if it to do with the text being a little lengthy - or an old spoiler code or something - but clicking on it should work, mate. 👍
 

It worked , thank you . It was an interesting read . I also found it peculiar that George’s sequel treatments that have recently come to light ,if true , would have heavily used ideas from the conception of NJO ,while at the same time , cribbing heavily from the old EU and placing characters out of their original time and context , like Darth Talon etc .

https://screamsinthevoid.deviantart.com/

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This seems to be echoing that other thread over in the Original Trilogy topic about George being a revisionist.

I think the reality is that George is a story developer and he has a lot of things in his head and when he is asked, he gives what is there now, not the whole story of how he got there. Because that is very fluid. I think what is in those treatments would have been very fluid and would have been developed into something a bit different.

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It’s as if George wants to execute his ideas all at once.

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THE EU was canon up until Filoni Clone Wars. It obviously had to be struck from canon when the lore between Clone Wars and the EU were at odds and Filoni regarded it as fanfiction. And if George was to ever make his sequels it would have been erased anyway. Even Zahn and KJA knew this in the 1990s.

George never really saw it as his Star Wars, but he was free to copy ideas and characters and places from it.

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JadedSkywalker said:

THE EU was canon up until Filoni Clone Wars. It obviously had to be struck from canon when the lore between Clone Wars and the EU were at odds and Filoni regarded it as fanfiction. And if George was to ever make his sequels it would have been erased anyway. Even Zahn and KJA knew this in the 1990s.

Lucas was far more involved with TCW than he’d been with any prior EU material. Laying the blame for those contradictions solely at Filoni’s feet seems unfair - comments made by him, Pablo Hidalgo, etc. and the BTS material generally give the impression that they were at least trying to reconcile the new content with the existing continuity, whereas GL just wasn’t bothered.