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Marcia Lucas spoke about this in Jonathan Rinzler’s Howard Kazanjian book. She debunks the narrative that she is the sole reason for “saving” the film. It was all a collaborative process and George was very much involved in piecing it all together.

“Heroes come in all sizes, and you don’t have to be a giant hero. You can be a very small hero. It’s just as important to understand that accepting self-responsibility for the things you do, having good manners, caring about other people - these are heroic acts. Everybody has the choice of being a hero or not being a hero every day of their lives.” - George Lucas

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Of course he wrote it and Luke is George. Like Terry the Toad in Graffiti and Milner, and Curt were all aspects of him. It was his imagination that was up there on screen in Star Wars.

But it is true the editors and Lucas himself was one of them, saved that film. And John Williams score and ILM finally bringing it all together.

There is a lot of trying to discredit him these days due to the prequels. Like he never was on top of the world and never was a great director, writer or producer. Like those original Star Wars films were accidental. And not everything he had learned about making movies since film school.

It didn’t hurt that he surrounded himself with the best people and creatives and had a lot of friends who also made movies or who he went to film school with.

But maybe there is a bit of truth to the yes men stuff and not being challenged on the prequels, but when you’ve been a genius and done everything right for so long, its hard to argue even when what you are doing isn’t working or is ill advised. He was Mr Star Wars and that meant he had the final say on every single detail. Nobody else was going to figure it out it was in George’s head. The story and characters sprang from his mind.

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Stardust1138 said:

Marcia Lucas spoke about this in Jonathan Rinzler’s Howard Kazanjian book. She debunks the narrative that she is the sole reason for “saving” the film.

Many of us on here are aware of the downplaying or ignoring of Marcia Lucas’ contributions to the films in the official Star Wars history - and applaud content which illustrates and highlights her input - along with the input and work of others too… yet there is now a narrative where she is the sole reason for ‘saving’ the film? And the above words debunked that narrative? Huh.
 

It was all a collaborative process and George was very much involved in piecing it all together.

Indeed, and yet it is such a shame that some of the content out there which attempts to highlight the contributions of others to the Original Trilogy is somehow labelled as ‘lying, biased nonsense with misdirection and misinformation across the board’ along with false inferences that the editors somehow created Star Wars, or that such content is viewed to be an affront or insult to George, or ‘literally a lie’.

Especially so when one of those people who had a significant input on the Original Trilogy has seemingly been omitted / erased from the official Star Wars history.

 

The following passage of words by Marcia Lucas didn’t get much attention on social media (unlike the quotes re the Prequels and Sequels has over the past day or so) - yet they are worth putting up on here… it is the foreword written by Marcia for the book ‘Howard Kazanjian: A Producer’s Life’, by the late JW Rinzler:-

 
Seems like it is a good intriguing book - I hope people do read it (and not just Marcia’s quotes on the Prequels & Sequels).

 

As well as looking up other rare content where Marcia talks about her work and contributions on the Original Trilogy films…
 

Star Wars 40th with Marcia Lucas and Duwayne Dunham’:-

https://vimeo.com/224132896 - a 10 minute video at the Athena Studios vimeo channel.
 

The blurb: ‘Academy Award-winning editor and George Lucas’ former wife Marcia Lucas discusses the creation of Star Wars with Emmy-winning editor Duwayne Dunham who worked on The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.

From the 40th Anniversary ILM reunion held at 32ten Studios on May 27th, 2017.’

 
 

Star Wars Visual Effects Pioneers Highlight The Academy’s “Galactic Innovations: Star Wars & Rogue One” Event’:-

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOxfmq0nCEs - a 2 and a half hour video from the Alexis Alcázar youtube channel.
 

The blurb: 'Watch live as VFX pioneers behind “Star Wars” and “Rogue One” share the journey of creating the impossible with their breakthrough visual effects.

We’ll share rare images that compare the technology and visual results from both films. Guests include John Dykstra, Dennis Muren, John Knoll, Ben Burtt, Marcia Lucas, Bill George, Harrison Ellenshaw, Bruce Nicholson, Richard Edlund and Rachel Rose.’

^ Marcia appears on the video to talk about the editing aspects of Star Wars at 60 mins, alongside Ben Burtt - then later at 2h 07m.

 
 

 
Edit: Plus, this in-depth ‘In Tribute to Marcia Lucas’ article written by the author of The Secret History of Star Wars - Michael Kaminski (aka zombie84):-

http://fd.noneinc.com/secrethistoryofstarwarscom/secrethistoryofstarwars.com/marcialucas.html

 
 

Double Jedit: an article on Marcia Lucas - and Charles Lippincott’s contributions to the Marcia Lucas segment in ‘The Secret History of Star Wars’ book and article (above). It also touches upon the some of the people who contributed to / worked on the film - and were later written out of the official history of Star Wars - such as Lippincott himself, Gary Kurtz, and Marcia Lucas…

“The ‘secret weapon’ behind Star Wars” (from 2015, by Charles Lippincott)
 

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I tend to give George the majority of the credit whenever I pay my dues for whose most responsible for Star Wars because so often I see the narrative that he was never talented and the Prequels prove it. I just don’t see that at all. I see both his trilogies as collaborations and George as the leader who rallied everyone to fulfill his vision that he started and in some cases they expanded upon. I think he’s extremely talented. His creativity knows no bounds. It’s truly endless and filled with wonder. I see both the Prequels and Originals as flawed as I get older and can view things objectively but I still love them both completely, and in some cases I love them more than when I was a kid. I think often it’s when one grew up or what order one is exposed to the saga that determines what they consider to be Star Wars. We each have a generational tale and in some cases we fall in the middle. I think that’s some of why I can look at the first two trilogies as one of the same. They’re different from each other but they’re from one creator. I can see endless through lines and connections.

The same can be said for the kids who grew up with the Sequels. It’s what they know Star Wars to be. It may not feel like Star Wars to some of us older fans or even George and Marcia but it is to them as they haven’t been exposed to objective reasoning yet. They’re not restricted in their thinking yet of what something can and can’t be. I think that’s similar to how the older fans that do like them tend to view things. They tend to see the films as a pew pew adventure that have familiar elements to the three films they grew up with while others like me who love the Prequels and also the Originals view it as a collective whole of both trilogies that came before it. In turn I think we tend to be the most disappointed by the trilogy because it feels like everything we see Star Wars as was forgotten for familiarity on the surface level with the original three films while the other part of what we loved was ignored. To us they tend to forget the context and established rules that the Prequels expanded upon and added to the story the Originals told. In some cases it’s even things we feel the Sequels ignored in way of the Originals.

No one group is wrong and that’s a good thing but at the end of the day what George says is Star Wars to me is what the final word should aspire to continue and expand upon. At least I think with the Sequels. They should’ve given closure to his stories before moving onto different interpretations.

I loved that excerpt from Marcia. It’s great having her come out to tell her story and what matters to her. I really admire that like George she was concerned about raising her children. I can honestly see after today entirely why George was in love with her. She seems like such a warm hearted, fiery, and honest person. It really contrasts George who tends to be more reserved and a bigger picture thinker. They’re both warm hearted and because of that we got the makings of a beautiful story that continues to resonate with us and grow beyond us. It all started with one man though and she’s quick to point it out.

Thank you for including the videos. I was thinking about that first one today but wasn’t sure where I had first seen it. I look forward to revisiting it in a new light and viewing the second one. I’ve not seen it.

“Heroes come in all sizes, and you don’t have to be a giant hero. You can be a very small hero. It’s just as important to understand that accepting self-responsibility for the things you do, having good manners, caring about other people - these are heroic acts. Everybody has the choice of being a hero or not being a hero every day of their lives.” - George Lucas

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It’s pretty dishonest to say that post-SE and post-PT there hasn’t been a narrative that George Lucas is a fraud and more of an “ideas man” that basically can’t do anything, and it’s often backed by people saying the Original Trilogy and the original movie would’ve failed and were saved by its editors, chiefly amongst them Marcia Lucas, or by Gary Kurtz, who “heroically left after George decided to turn Star Wars into teddy bears and stuff”. And George’s own contributions go to shambles.

If one is to look at it objectively, Marcia’s statements both disprove the narrative that she and the other editors “saved the film” and the narrative that Lucas is a mastermind who’s never made a mistake and needs no help.

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Stardust1138 said:

Marcia Lucas spoke about this in Jonathan Rinzler’s Howard Kazanjian book. She debunks the narrative that she is the sole reason for “saving” the film.

Many of us on here are aware of the downplaying or ignoring of Marcia Lucas’ contributions to the films in the official Star Wars history - and applaud content which illustrates and highlights her input - along with the input and work of others too… yet there is now a narrative where she is the sole reason for ‘saving’ the film? And the above words debunked that narrative? Huh.

Come on man, I know you’ve heard this before. This isn’t new to you.

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As the late great Jonathan Rinzler said in his interview with Rick Worley, George was there in the editing room with the team and part of the crafting of what it became. Every final decision with the film came down to him. As well as sometimes even George was talked out of his good ideas as Marcia relates in the book that Brian De Palma thought George should take out references to “May the Force be with you” in the first film. It was Marcia who convinced George that he should include them. Just like on the Prequels it was Ron Howard who helped a certain moment in the podrace to create further tension. Star Wars has always been a collaborative venture but it all came down to George in the old days. He had final say and depending on your certain point of view that was for better or worse. I miss him greatly and after these latest developments I’m starting to find further acceptance in knowing I’m not alone in my feelings.

“Heroes come in all sizes, and you don’t have to be a giant hero. You can be a very small hero. It’s just as important to understand that accepting self-responsibility for the things you do, having good manners, caring about other people - these are heroic acts. Everybody has the choice of being a hero or not being a hero every day of their lives.” - George Lucas

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It’s important to acknowledge and appreciate Marcia and everyone else who collaborated with George and took part in the creative process. They’re crucial to why Star Wars was so great. But there’s a big difference between saying “George was helped” (which is true) and saying “George was carried” (which isn’t true). In the years after the Plinkett reviews came out, I’ve heard a lot of people online parroting the latter statement, worded in different ways, but all implying the same thing: that George was just some helpless fool who needed to let the “real filmmakers” step in and salvage his incompetence. RedLetterMedia did say things to that effect in their reviews, and perhaps they meant it jokingly, but I encountered a lot of people who took it seriously and believed it.

As usual, the truth isn’t as simple as people make it out to be. George is not a helpless fool, nor is he infallible. He’s an intelligent filmmaker who makes mistakes sometimes, like anyone else, and who benefits from bouncing ideas off other people, like anyone else.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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SparkySywer said:

oojason said:

Stardust1138 said:

Marcia Lucas spoke about this in Jonathan Rinzler’s Howard Kazanjian book. She debunks the narrative that she is the sole reason for “saving” the film.

Many of us on here are aware of the downplaying or ignoring of Marcia Lucas’ contributions to the films in the official Star Wars history - and applaud content which illustrates and highlights her input - along with the input and work of others too… yet there is now a narrative where she is the sole reason for ‘saving’ the film? And the above words debunked that narrative? Huh.

Come on man, I know you’ve heard this before. This isn’t new to you.

Marcia, as part of the editing team that ‘saved the film’? Of course.

Marcia, among many other countless contributions (Kurtz, Laddie, Boone Jr, Lippincott, Huyck & Katz etc) to making the film what it was / ‘saving the film’? Of course.

Marcia, where there is now a narrative that she is the sole reason for ‘saving’ the film? No. Hence the question of ‘there is now a narrative where she is the sole reason for ‘saving’ the film?’
 

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A few months ago a Mauler fan gave their definition of a bad movie, that being any movie where over 60% of the runtime has problems. Obviously this is ridiculous, 60% is a really random-ass number to pull, and how you would even measure this is beyond me. But I think it kind of says a lot about what that style of criticism is trying to prove.

These types of criticisms are essentially big long lists of mean things you can say about a movie. And the more “problems” you can list off about a movie, the worse it is.

But that style of critique doesn’t address how people actually experience movies. It’s not like when you’re watching a movie you’re counting all the bads you notice, and if it passes a threshhold it’s a bad movie. People experience movies in the big picture.

And this style of critique is completely incapable of addressing the big picture, because a character arc is more than just a combination of character moments. A narrative is more than jut a combination of plot points. Et cetera.

If you wanted to criticize Luke’s character in TLJ in this format, you could only really look at the individual character moment, when the thing that’s actually controversial is the overarching story.

But even making that comparison is way too generous, because they’re not starting from the top down, trying to criticize Luke’s character by finding individual character moments that bug them. They’re going from the bottom up, making a huge, long list of everything that could be considered at the very least an imperfection. And none of it ever amounts to anything.

They’re not criticizing with a fine tooth comb, they’re not catching lots of problems. They’re catching lots of meaningless nitpicks and missing actual criticism.

There’s a lot of people who say that people only care about these problems in movies they already didn’t like, and happily ignore them in movies they do like. I think this is a bad argument, if a movie has problems you probably don’t like it, kind of by definition. But looking at it at from this angle kind of makes that argument make sense a little: These aren’t actual problems, whether or not you like a movie has absolutely nothing to do with them. You’ll recognize these sorts of “problems” to dunk on a movie you already like, but either aren’t motivated to seek out these sorts of “problems”, or you aren’t receptive to them when you find them, because you already like the movie and they don’t actually matter.

Yeah, this is pretty much correct. It’s why Mauler’s metric for judging media is so skewed. He starts off by viewing a movie as a hypothetical Perfect 10, then detracts points based on how many supposed errors he finds. But that’s an awful way to judge a complex piece of art. And it’s arrogant to start calling a movie “objectively bad” based on that metric. I see that now.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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Did G&G Fan edit the title of this thread?

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SparkySywer said:

Did G&G Fan edit the title of this thread?

I think a mod did.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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That’s what I thought, lol, didn’t seem like something he’d do. Also, why is this in the EU section?

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I didn’t even see that the body of the post was edited. Really uncool. Even if this post was downright intentionally spreading misinformation, it shows a severe lack of maturity and restraint in the mod team on OT.com to treat it this way. This is an argument over space movies where they say “Nerf herder”. It isn’t so dangerous as to warrant this kind of treatment.

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I didn’t even see that the body of the post was edited. Really uncool. Even if this post was downright intentionally spreading misinformation, it shows a severe lack of maturity and restraint in the mod team on OT.com to treat it this way. This is an argument over space movies where they say “Nerf herder”. It isn’t so dangerous as to warrant this kind of treatment.

Agreed. It seems like overreach for such a trivial issue.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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SparkySywer said:

I didn’t even see that the body of the post was edited. Really uncool. Even if this post was downright intentionally spreading misinformation, it shows a severe lack of maturity and restraint in the mod team on OT.com to treat it this way. This is an argument over space movies where they say “Nerf herder”. It isn’t so dangerous as to warrant this kind of treatment.

Oojason could really be an overzealous mod. I liked the guy, but he could have power trip moments. Look at what happened to Chainsawash, for instance.

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I remember watching that video awhile ago and actually thinking it was cool and informative and it’s used all over the place to try and prove the whole “George Lucas bad” campaign.

Then I came across this video. This really well-researched and thought out video that actually has credible sources and shows them really well… and it basically proves that RocketJump’s video is a bunch of lying, bias nonsense with misdirection and misinformation across the board.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olqVGz6mOVE - (Mod Edit: a 2 hour video from the Nerdonymous youtube channel, titled ‘How “How Star Wars was saved in the edit” was saved in the edit (sort of, but not really)’).

So uh, yeah… Goerge Lucas didn’t suck and it wasn’t the editors that created Star Wars.

Sorry.

 
 

Mod Edit - 15th March: for clarity and a forewarning… the Nerdonymous video states the RocketJump video is “simply an attempt to discredit George Lucas” - and spends 2 hours attempting to discredit the RJ video in an abrupt, mocking and patronising manner - along with showing animals repeatedly defecating in it. The Nerdonymous video is aimed at appealing to pro-George Lucas fans out there, takes aim at OT fan preservations and later claims some fans “they want to burn him (Lucas) to the ground” & “they want to take everything away from him (Lucas)”.

The RocketJump video is… ‘‘A video essay exploring how Star Wars’ editors recut and rearranged Star Wars: A New Hope to create the cinematic classic it became and is about the power and effects of film editing in general. The RJ video does feature a few factual errors - though some of Nerdanyomous claims and statements in his video are obviously nothing to do with RocketJump… but his issues with fans he considers not to like George Lucas - or fans seemingly acknowledging or praising others’ contributions to the making of the Original Trilogy.

“I think George’s ‘ace in the hole’ was that he surrounded himself with an incredible team of people to work with, and listening and collaborating with them to help refine his incredible vision.”

^ The RocketJump video in summing up - which not only applies to the editing of the film - but also the overall making of Star Wars itself. (Not forgetting, of course, that near-on all films are ‘made’ / ‘saved’ in the editing process.)
 

The RJ video does NOT claim that ‘George Lucas sucks’ - or anything like, nor that ‘the editors created Star Wars’ - as the OP stated.

What a bunch of crybabies. Nerdnonymous speaks the truth you just can’t stand anyone possibly undermining the immortal Marcia Lucas.

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Mocata said:

Jeez why are all the pro-Lucas and pro-prequel videos like 2 hours long or more

Wahhh me no wanna watch and learn! Just give me two minute video so me can keep scrolling!

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oojason said:

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Yeah , I thank George too , I still don’t see Rocketjump bashing him anywhere in his video though .

You’re correct mate - though that hasn’t stopped a number of pro George fans saying it has - or being offended by it to the point of being vitriolic.

He, and some of the pro George Lucas fans really shouldn’t be triggered by such as a video as RJ’s - especially where in the blurb, and the video itself, clearly states it is ‘‘A video essay exploring how Star Wars’ editors recut and rearranged Star Wars: A New Hope to create the cinematic classic it became’ and is about the power of film editing in general.

(maybe he can’t get past the somewhat clickbaity title of RJ’s video)

Yet Nerdonymous for whatever reason does indeed that claim in his 2 hour video that the RJ video is “simply an attempt to discredit George Lucas”.
 

Regardless of your thoughts on George Lucas, the ‘ info’ in rocketjump’s video is false and that is the problem.

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Ejn said:

G&G-Fan said:

I remember watching that video awhile ago and actually thinking it was cool and informative and it’s used all over the place to try and prove the whole “George Lucas bad” campaign.

Then I came across this video. This really well-researched and thought out video that actually has credible sources and shows them really well… and it basically proves that RocketJump’s video is a bunch of lying, bias nonsense with misdirection and misinformation across the board.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olqVGz6mOVE - (Mod Edit: a 2 hour video from the Nerdonymous youtube channel, titled ‘How “How Star Wars was saved in the edit” was saved in the edit (sort of, but not really)’).

So uh, yeah… Goerge Lucas didn’t suck and it wasn’t the editors that created Star Wars.

Sorry.

 
 

Mod Edit - 15th March: for clarity and a forewarning… the Nerdonymous video states the RocketJump video is “simply an attempt to discredit George Lucas” - and spends 2 hours attempting to discredit the RJ video in an abrupt, mocking and patronising manner - along with showing animals repeatedly defecating in it. The Nerdonymous video is aimed at appealing to pro-George Lucas fans out there, takes aim at OT fan preservations and later claims some fans “they want to burn him (Lucas) to the ground” & “they want to take everything away from him (Lucas)”.

The RocketJump video is… ‘‘A video essay exploring how Star Wars’ editors recut and rearranged Star Wars: A New Hope to create the cinematic classic it became and is about the power and effects of film editing in general. The RJ video does feature a few factual errors - though some of Nerdanyomous claims and statements in his video are obviously nothing to do with RocketJump… but his issues with fans he considers not to like George Lucas - or fans seemingly acknowledging or praising others’ contributions to the making of the Original Trilogy.

“I think George’s ‘ace in the hole’ was that he surrounded himself with an incredible team of people to work with, and listening and collaborating with them to help refine his incredible vision.”

^ The RocketJump video in summing up - which not only applies to the editing of the film - but also the overall making of Star Wars itself. (Not forgetting, of course, that near-on all films are ‘made’ / ‘saved’ in the editing process.)
 

The RJ video does NOT claim that ‘George Lucas sucks’ - or anything like, nor that ‘the editors created Star Wars’ - as the OP stated.

What a bunch of crybabies. Nerdnonymous speaks the truth you just can’t stand anyone possibly undermining the immortal Marcia Lucas.

Based.

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Mocata said:

Jeez why are all the pro-Lucas and pro-prequel videos like 2 hours long or more

Wahhh me no wanna watch and learn! Just give me two minute video so me can keep scrolling!

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Ejn said:

oojason said:

screams in the void said:

Yeah , I thank George too , I still don’t see Rocketjump bashing him anywhere in his video though .

You’re correct mate - though that hasn’t stopped a number of pro George fans saying it has - or being offended by it to the point of being vitriolic.

He, and some of the pro George Lucas fans really shouldn’t be triggered by such as a video as RJ’s - especially where in the blurb, and the video itself, clearly states it is ‘‘A video essay exploring how Star Wars’ editors recut and rearranged Star Wars: A New Hope to create the cinematic classic it became’ and is about the power of film editing in general.

(maybe he can’t get past the somewhat clickbaity title of RJ’s video)

Yet Nerdonymous for whatever reason does indeed that claim in his 2 hour video that the RJ video is “simply an attempt to discredit George Lucas”.
 

Regardless of your thoughts on George Lucas, the ‘ info’ in rocketjump’s video is false and that is the problem.

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Never say in two hours what you can easily say in 30 minutes or less. Brevity makes points far more digestible and less cluttered.

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BedeHistory731 said:

Never say in two hours what you can easily say in 30 minutes or less. Brevity makes points far more digestible and less cluttered.

I always see this coming from the same soys who think the RLM plinkett reviews of Star Wars are masterpieces despite being hours and hours long and containing about two minutes worth of substance.

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Ejn said:

BedeHistory731 said:

Never say in two hours what you can easily say in 30 minutes or less. Brevity makes points far more digestible and less cluttered.

I always see this coming from the same soys who think the RLM plinkett reviews of Star Wars are masterpieces despite being hours and hours long and containing about two minutes worth of substance.

Soys

LOLZ, way to discredit yourself immediately. And I don’t think the Plinkett reviews hold up well at all, outside of the bits that feel like the re-enactments from a ‘90s true crime show.

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BedeHistory731 said:

Ejn said:

BedeHistory731 said:

Never say in two hours what you can easily say in 30 minutes or less. Brevity makes points far more digestible and less cluttered.

I always see this coming from the same soys who think the RLM plinkett reviews of Star Wars are masterpieces despite being hours and hours long and containing about two minutes worth of substance.

Soys

LOLZ, way to discredit yourself immediately. And I don’t think the Plinkett reviews hold up well at all, outside of the bits that feel like the re-enactments from a ‘90s true crime show.

Anyone (not you) praising videos of a bunch emotional adult men making hooker jokes in funny voices disguised as film reviews is discredited.

(Also “LOLZ” is appealing to ridicule, arguably a worse fallacy than my ad hominem)

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Ejn said:

Mocata said:

Jeez why are all the pro-Lucas and pro-prequel videos like 2 hours long or more

Wahhh me no wanna watch and learn! Just give me two minute video so me can keep scrolling!

You created an account on here just to hurl insults at people? Grow up.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.