Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker Redux Ideas thread — Page 57

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

Get over it.

We’re in a fan edit thread. Not getting over things is the only way we can fix them. I think he should be allowed to criticize. Whether his criticisms are valid is another question, but you shouldn’t just try to shut him up like this.

In fairness, it’s not just that his criticisms are bad, but there’s no way to accomplish what he wants. In which case my suggestion is legitimately the best thing he can do.

You’re probably right. His criticisms do belong more in the rewrite thread.

Honestly, I think I can say whatever I want to say as long as I don’t offend anyone what I’m not interested in in any way of course. Thanks to StarkillerAG. While I understand that some are more than skeptical blink blink DominicCobb I think reaching for the impossible is sometimes the only way to go. I came to all of this through the Phantom Edit like many others and I stumbled across Adywan’s Episode IV revisited. A new hope is my all-time-favourite movie and it was great in its original edit, but what Adywan did with the movie is still to this day phenomenal and who would have thought that this would be possible. We also have the Vader-Kenobi light sabre battle recreation which basically became a YouTube hit, so why shouldn’t the things I’m proposing not be possible. Yeah, it is a bit of a stretch and I’m not really deeper into this as of now but you gotta start somewhere. And as long as Kennedy is the president of Lucasfilm we will never see an alternate edit or anything even though it might or might not exist!

Also, you say that Rey hasn’t earned her position as hero in the story, but I don’t see how her being Luke’s daughter would change that.

You could change Kylo’s hangar dialogue to say, “Your Luke’s daughter”. But then when Rey goes to see Luke, you would have engineer a believable conversation between them. Maybe you could repurpose lines? Redub? Others have tried that to poor effect. Maybe Luke didn’t know until after he became one with the Force, and the mother ran away with their daughter after having a vision that their daughter would die at the end of her training.

You could recontextualize Leia’s saber as her mother’s saber, the the training flashback could be Luke and her mom rather than Leia.

I’m sure someone could figure something out, but I don’t think many people are clamoring for it. It definitely seems like the consensus is on Rey Nobody being the strongest option. It would be cool to see someone attempt it though.

EddieDean said:

I’ll say it again: Representation is not politics. Representation is not an agenda.

This. So well said, EddieDean.

poppasketti said:

EddieDean said:

I’ll say it again: Representation is not politics. Representation is not an agenda.

This. So well said, EddieDean.

Agreed.

That said, hate to backseat mod, but politics aren’t allowed here and I think we all would rather we got back on topic.

I think Nev handled that pretty well in his Starlight Project. For example, in his version of Rey trying to mind trick the guard, she briefly hears the Force whispers that we hear again later on Ahch-To. I think this helps imply that Rey is receiving some sort of guidance, which you could retroactively establish as the voices of the Jedi. She could hear them calling her to Anakin’s lightsaber (maybe even hearing Anakin’s voice specifically whispering “Rey…”). Then later they give her a little nudge to help her escape Starkiller Base, then guide her again later to the Jedi tree in TLJ. I wouldn’t want to overuse them but I think they could fit in a few places.

It’s like she can feel what they’re trying to communicate, but she needs training to be able to hear them clearly, which is what she is trying to do when we meet back up with her in IX. At the end of the film, when she starts saying “Be with me” again, we can hear the Force whispers transition into the distinct voices of the Jedi that have been guiding her all along.

This set up would also create some interesting parallels between Rey and Joan of Arc.

The story of how Jeanne found her sword is perhaps the most intriguing connection to her sword. According to her own words, her voices instructed her as to its whereabouts behind the altar at the church of Saint Catherine.

I recently found the Kylo vs Vader fanfilm. I think one editor a while back borrowed something from this for a Force Awakens edit, but I think it could be integrated into Rise of Skywalker fairly easily and be used to inform the audience of a lot of Kylo’s motivations. You could also push his journey to Exogal up to follow from it

Here’s what I came up with (password: fanedit)

Beginning

https://vimeo.com/407054789

Ending

https://vimeo.com/407074114

idir_hh said:

Maybe change the colour correcting to Red, Mustafar.

Since it uses a similar location to the final act in Force Awakens, I reckoned it would work that way as a ‘call back’ to Ben’s first major defeat at Rey’s hands and would serve as a “redemption” for him if he could defeat the spectre of Vader there, proving he’s now ‘ready’ for Rey.

idir_hh said:

That’s fair enough, I just think it would give more of a darkside nightmarish sith vibe if it was all red. Like the vision was induced by palpatine.

Hmm, actually that’s a good point too, as the planet/backdrop Kylo finds the wayfinder on does have a crimson sky, it would compliment the previous scene and tone logically if the scene were regraded.

EddieDean said:

tobiwan1984 said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

Get over it.

We’re in a fan edit thread. Not getting over things is the only way we can fix them. I think he should be allowed to criticize. Whether his criticisms are valid is another question, but you shouldn’t just try to shut him up like this.

In fairness, it’s not just that his criticisms are bad, but there’s no way to accomplish what he wants. In which case my suggestion is legitimately the best thing he can do.

You’re probably right. His criticisms do belong more in the rewrite thread.

Honestly, I think I can say whatever I want to say as long as I don’t offend anyone…

You’re welcome to think and say whatever you want, even if it does offend people, so long as it doesn’t break the rules. So by all means, you do you. However, since you mention offence-

I’m offended. You use the phrase ‘identity politics’ twice.

Identity politics is a political approach based on people prioritizing the concerns most relevant to their particular racial, religious, ethnic, sexual, social, cultural or other identity. It typically aims to reclaim greater self-determination and political freedom for marginalized groups through understanding each interest group’s distinctive nature and experiences of injustice.

Not one iota of that happens in Disney Star Wars, so I have to read from this that by ‘identity politics’ you mean you object to the prevalence and/or roles of women in these films.

I’ll say it again: Representation is not politics. Representation is not an agenda.

There are plenty of problems to have with these films. There are plenty of problems to have with the power Rey has without training. None of those problems come from the identities - gender or otherwise - of the characters. None of those problems come from the identities of the members of the production teams.

I’m making an assumption there so forgive me if I’ve interpreted your choice of words unfairly. But if not-

Strong women exist. Female characters who serve something other than male characters’ romantic subplot exist. They’re not a threat to you. Get over it.

I won’t say sorry, but I get the point. I don’t want to be political, it is Lucasfilm and Kennedy herself who went political with Episode VIII. To use a female hero was a choice that was clearly taken due to the fact that they wanted to push a more “progressive” approach to “representation”. As I said, I liked the choice for the characters and I like Daisy Ridley, she pulls it off apart from the issues in the screenplay, but that is not on her! The “Lesbian” kiss in TROS is identity politics it is there for “representation” and its only purpose is to alienate the audience. It is brief, I am not offended directly by it, but it serves no purpose and the scene is cut out in various countries and they knew this would happen.
And then we had Admiral Holdo, coming out of nowhere and her basic role was to criticize and dismiss Poe. She clearly was there to call all men idiots. See I didn’t do that not did anyone back in the old days write Leia running around calling males names.
But right, no politics on my behalf. To me the only thing important is that Rey needs to have a believable transition to being the super talented Jedi she is and making her a descendent of someone’s bloodline was the naturally easiest way to do so. But I object her being a Palpatine since Palpatine was designed to be the evil in the galaxy you could of course argue that the story choice in IX was radical and Rey turning the Palpatine bloodline to something good was at least interesting. To me it just feels off and again since Lucasfilm now declared her the daughter of a Palpatine clone and whatever they will stir up to undo the damage done with VIII to the fans I think the only choice that was again already given in VII was that she is in fact a Skywalker hidden because she was in danger because she needed to be the “last hope” to finally destroy the Sith / dark force users. This would rhyme far better than the Palpatine descendant thingy. It might have worked even better if Snoke would have just been the bad guy all along and maybe Trevorrow’s unmade IX would have been a far superior experience, but that is a lot of ifs.

Thanks for all the feedback so far. I don’t want to alienate anyone here, maybe this whole line of discussion or ideas with Rey being Luke’s daughter has all been discussed to the end before here on the board and I just missed it or I am going into territory a lot of the users here just see no possibility of pulling it off in the editing which I understand as well.

And then again if everybody sticks to her being a nobody it is turning the Skywalker saga into absurdity because Ben’s role and impact was reduced to be thrown into the pit and bringing back Rey to life which has never been seen before in Star Wars and is again a deus ex machina. Ben is the hero in the end but we’re not supposed to feel that imho. Lucasfilm / Kennedy only want us to accept Rey as the hero of these nine films she saves the day, because Anakin, Luke an Ben were all unable to do it and were toxic males. And again that is not my way of thinking but that is what people like Johnson, Kennedy and Mr. Hidalgo were putting into Star Wars starting in about 2014. They brought the politics into Star Wars and we the fans need to take this out and bring back the fairy tale, the hero’s journey and the classical grand space opera feeling to it or what.

Fam, George had a female protagonist in his story treatment for 7.

idir_hh said:

Frankly I think that if Rey was a well written character nobody would be talking about identity politics.

That’s very optimistic of you.

idir_hh said:

Frankly I think that if Rey was a well written character nobody would be talking about identity politics.

Exactly! At least for the most part!