STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 441

exitzero said:

Don’t think anyone has posted this yet-

STAR WARS REVISITED - A SHEEPISH REVIEW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN41KJeb7dQ

I see the “fake” Adywan is still active in the comments section. Jesus, that guy needs to get a life

exitzero said:

Don’t think anyone has posted this yet-

STAR WARS REVISITED - A SHEEPISH REVIEW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN41KJeb7dQ

It’s an insightful and enjoyable channel that Sheepish has on youtube - covering a lot of other Fan Edits too 😃

(as well as videos on the process for his own intriguing Fan Edit - “Star Wars - Shroud of the Sith”, a radical fan edit of “The Phantom Menace” - with some useful ideas, hints and tips for budding Editors, or interested parties, out there…)

In order to have this project consistent with the current best video formatting presentation, Adywan would have to perpetually hold off on ever beginning it. That, or dedicate the rest of his life to constantly redoing the same work.
I feel the pain, or at least a dimmer reflection of it, associated with my own projects. There’s only so far we can go.

Well said, Mala 👍
 

We can also help adywan by donating - and as he’s a top bloke - maybe also receive something in return…

(from adywan’s Return Of The Jedi: Revisited thread)
 

adywan said:

FINAL EVER LARGE DONATION DRIVE FOR MATERIALS NEEDED FOR ROTJ:R & ANH:RHD AND PRIZE DRAW

The final ever large donation drive is now on.

Now that the B-Wing Pilot shoot is well and truly out of the way and the colour grading is complete on ANH & past the halfway stage for ROTJ, I can now get down to work on all the models, miniature sets, costumes, props etc needed for theses edits. Along with creating those, there is also the Endor Rebels shoot that needs things creating for it (costumes, props etc). So it’s full steam ahead now Sadly having to start from scratch for the HD version of ANH is a bit of a pain, but at least not many things need creating for that edit. But it’s a different matter with ROTJ.

Over the next week or so I will be making posts going into detail about some of the changes/ fixes planned for ROTJ:R. One of the things that really need replacing with miniatures is the Millennium Falcon mattes in the Home One hangar (along with the whole hangar matte).

As I will now be working at a scale of at least 1/48, these are going to be a LOT bigger than what I created for ESB:R, but the extra detail is needed when working with more close-up shots.

After being able to sell a few of the items that I put up for grabs recently and with money I can personally put into it, the needed target for the donation drive is just over £4000

So what will the money be used for? Well every penny donated does directly to material only. No one will ever profit from these edits. So , for example, things like catering and the travelling expenses for the B-wing live action shoot, came out of our own pockets and no donations were used. Things I will need to purchase is LOTS of Silicone, resin, paints, glue, MDF and other wood materials, amongst many other things. Doing these donations drive enables me to purchase materials at bulk, instead of being able to only purchase small amounts when I have available funds. This save a Hell of a lot of money on postage costs alone. As I usually purchase the silicone/ resin materials from the same place, this can save hundreds on postage and bulk buying discounts.

Then there is something that is really needed: Drive space. As you can see in the pictured below, space is becoming limited. With my 2 6TB External hard drives used up containing the backup of all the files for ESB:R, I need to get a few more for the backups of ANH:RHD & ROTJ:R as I go along. Then there is the space needed to create these edits. So I need to replace the smaller internal hard drives with newer. Much larger ones. Doing two edits in HD at once really eats up space.

As this is the final large donation drive we will ever be doing , the prize for the donation draw is the biggest one we have given away yet.
One lucky winner will receive one of the full costumes that was created for the B-wing Pilot shoot for ROTJ:R

The costume consists of pilot vest, belt, gloves, a genuine ANH-H-15 pilot cap (modified slightly with softer ear covers and to fit both larger and smaller head sizes) , Flight Suit, chest plate and pilot helmet. The pilot helmet was created for our Blue Two pilot, but sadly we lost Jen due to a scheduling conflict , so this is the only thing that wasn’t used and also has the orange visor that was created as a test to see how the dying process would look. The only things missing from being a full suit are the Gaiters , boots and the rectangular box that goes on the belt. These are things that didn’t need creating as they wouldn’t be seen on screen, so a waste of money.

Because I had to make various sizes of the flight suit for the shoot, the winner will have a choice of sizes: S, M, L, XL & XXL. The vest, belt and ejection straps are all adjustable so will fit most sizes.

There will be 2 runners up prizes . Each will receive one of the B-Wing chest boxes used in the shoot.

For each donation of £10, you will receive a ticket that will go into the final draw. The more tickets, the better the chance. If you donate on more than one occasion, then the total you donate will be added up and divided by ten to give your ticket amount.

So how can you donate?

Well there’s a new way of donating thanks to Paypal’s new Money Pool. If donating with GBP, then Paypal doesn’t take any fees from the amount, unlike going through the donation button as before. So if you can donate using GBP then that would be a great help. But if you can’t then this way they still don’t take a huge amount off for their conversion fees. You can donate through the Money Pool using this link:

https://paypal.me/pools/c/8fZda4Wcai
If you can’t for some reason donate through this link then you can still donate by clicking on one of the Paypal donate buttons on the right hand side of the Revisited Wordpress page here:

https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/
When donating can you please include your name soi I can add you to the end credits for ROTJ:R please.

Once the donation target has been reached, then it will closed. The prize draw will take place shortly after than and winners notified straight after

Thank you to all who have supported me over all these years.

P.S. Don;t worry if the Money Pool page says “Penny Sayce”. The Paypal account is in my wifes name and i took it over but i am unable to alter the account name

https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/why-720p-for-revisited-is-enough/

Also, he’s doing the last donation drive saying he’s already running out of space, I believe to work in 4K he’d have to octuple everything.

Call me ignorant or whatever, but I don’t see the benefit of 4K for these movies. They are old movies that, whether we all like it or not, will always look like old movies. They were filmed on old medium, and meant to be viewed on a theater screen shot from a projector. Not on a tv screen from a 4K UHD Blu-ray player. No matter how many pixels you cram into it, it will always look like grainy film from the 70’s, so what’s the point. If 720 doesn’t look any better than 1080 (by what Ady says), why would 4K look any better?

If you are seriously worried that it doesnt look great blown up at 4,000+ pixels, then I think you are missing the point of the Star Wars films. I understand you want them to look their best, but I personally think what Ady is doing is making them the best they can ever be and if you really want 4K, I’m sure there will be plenty of people who will upscale it.

But that’s just my own personal feeling on it.

Jackpumpkinhead said:

Call me ignorant or whatever,

Ok

but I don’t see the benefit of 4K for these movies. They are old movies that, whether we all like it or not, will always look like old movies.

This is besides the point of a 4K fan edit, but you do realize that film resolves to a resolution of 4K if not more and that there is a fan preservation of the movies in 4K right over here gestures vaguely to the internet that looks like magic with automated tools cleaning them up. Or the fact that dozens of movies as old as or older than Star Wars get UHD releases every week and look incredible.

We can’t keep running around spreading this misinformation that Star Wars is somehow too old to be preserved properly. We can’t believe that, especially when LFL has already done it themselves internally.

doubleofive said:

Jackpumpkinhead said:

Call me ignorant or whatever,

Ok

but I don’t see the benefit of 4K for these movies. They are old movies that, whether we all like it or not, will always look like old movies.

This is besides the point of a 4K fan edit, but you do realize that film resolves to a resolution of 4K if not more and that there is a fan preservation of the movies in 4K right over here gestures vaguely to the internet that looks like magic with automated tools cleaning them up. Or the fact that dozens of movies as old as or older than Star Wars get UHD releases every week and look incredible.

We can’t keep running around spreading this misinformation that Star Wars is somehow too old to be preserved properly. We can’t believe that, especially when LFL has already done it themselves internally.

Film resolves to 4K or higher because it is meant to be projected on 30-90 foot movie screens not on your 60” tv. I never said that these movies shouldn’t be preserved in 4K. I think it’s great what the 4k77, 4k80 and 4k83 projects have done/are doing. I was simply making a case for the topic at hand and my own personal viewpoint on the matter. Just because old movies get UHD releases, is a non-argument. Resolution of a picture and fidelity are relative to the viewer. Some people notice the difference and can’t get enough of it, while others aren’t overly concerned about the minutia of picture quality. It’s like wine tasting, as long as you are happy with your choice, that’s all that matters.

Tantive3+1 said:

Hello, adywan

Will you be restoring C-3PO’s line: “There’ll be no escape for the princess this time”?

In ANH:R the dialogue was edited to “There’ll be no escape this time”. Probably to fit in with the PT.

NO, it will be the same as in the SD version of ANH:R

benduwan said:

there is a wrong cutting at the run of the tantive.
first the troops run through the door an then they in the hallway. at next they are at the door again.
see it at 3:55.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHfLyMAHrQE

Those errors were already fixed in the original ANH:R

emanswfan said:

Has Ady said much yet about the Death Star battle for ANH:R HD?

I’m wondering since I really enjoyed it in the original version, but I do feel that it could be improved with using 3D renders of ships or even better, model footage of ships instead of moving around 2D images. Also maybe redoing some of the special edition shots as the CGI doesn’t exactly hold up compared to the ships in Rogue One.

ESB:R seemed to be a drastic improvement in VFX work over the already impressive ANH:R, so I’m expecting some significant changes.

I’ll be using CG this time around for the background ships instead of the 2D approach. Although it was only AFTER i mentioned that i used 2D images to create the background battles that anyone started having problems about it 😉

Dat_SW_Guy said:

A random thought, but is it possible to remove the blatant Ronto blocking the speeder, while keeping some of the newer elements (like the improved shadow under the speeder) in the panning wide shot right before they stop at the cantina?

I have no problems with the Ronto in this shot. I will be however fixing the problem that the SE created by cutting off the bottom of the landspeeder

RoccondilRinon said:

Also, not sure if Ady has answered this, but is the Imperial March being kept in the Death Star reveal, given the full march treatment of the Death Star theme in Rogue One?

The Imperial march will still feature in the Death Star reveal. The reveal however will be different from the SD version of ANH:R

Tantive3+1 said:

Since the PT won’t be relevant to OT:R, which canyon matte will be used for this shot that R2 travels through for ANH:RHD?
ANH:R

SE/Blu-ray
https://vimeo.com/316046212

Theatrical

The matte for ANH:R was made to match closer to what Tatooine looked like in the PT.

It will be an all new matte as i no longer have the original files, so have to remake it from scratch. But it won;t look like the one i did for the SD version

Darth Lucas said:

Rogue One attempted to fix this continuity error by giving ponda a similar arm to the severed one shown in the Jedha scene.

Ady, I wonder if thats a change worth implementing in ANHR:HD? To change ponda’s hands BEFORE the arm is severed to match as opposed to changing the arm on the ground.

Would provide better continuity with Rogue One as well.

Replacing his “flippers” in the previous shots would be an almost impossible task. It would be fine if he didn’t move but there’s too much movement to be able to shoot new “furry” hands and accurately match the movement to the original. But it still makes more sense to have Evazan’s arm be the severed one as Ponda doesn’t even go for his gun in the sequence, Just Evazan.

Matt.F said:

I showed ESB Revisited to a friend a few days ago, and noticed the resolution more so this time than when I first watched it nearly two years back.

I have a 75" 4K screen and so it is pushing the image harder than most but I think the more our eyes become accustomed to watching 4K content the more you notice when the presentation is lower def. Just like the moment came to most of us who’d amassed an old VHS collection, where you’d take it to the charity shop because you realised you’d stopped putting the tapes in the player after becoming used to clarity of DVD.

Adywan, I don’t know if you’ve gone too far down the road with 720p to change direction now, but if there is the potential to use the 4K source for either SW:R or ROTJ:R then I think that would be really wise - as the ‘last gen’ feel of 720p is a gulf that is only going to increase in the coming months and years. I don’t think keeping them consistent with ESB:R is a good reason not to as has been suggested, as intentionally hobbling something to bring it ‘down’ to a lower quality would be self-defeating. Technology is moving on and the longevity of the Revisited project would be better served with 4K. At the time of their release fans may have to choose between watching the best edited version (Revisited) or the best looking version (4K), and it will be a compromise. Star Wars fans have long had to compromise on owning the version they really want, and it would be nice to have one that is finally perfection!

Adywan, I know you prize presentation and always have good reasoning, I’d be interested to hear your thoughts and the challenges around Revisited 4K?

I’ve had a lot of people mention that i should be using the 4K77 & 4K83 releases for my edits. Although the team behind them did a great job, even they would admit these aren’t 4K. I’ve been comparing them with the Blu-Rays since they came out and, for the most part, they hold less detail than the Blu-Rays. 4k83 also suffers with the problem of a lot of lost detail in the dark areas. Then there is the problem of blown out highlights. There are a few parts that are better than the blu-ray so i have been able to utilise those where needed ( ROTJ where the film goes badly out of focus during scanning and replacing SE shots with the originals). The Blu-rays are also a lot more stable, which is a must when adding effects to a scene. Trying to stabilise it also only partially works. But the biggest reason is that i would have to be insane to use all the original footage. I’d have to try and redo ALL of the recompositioned shots that they did for the SE’s. Without the original separate elements that would be a HUGE task and would increase my workload greatly. People think it takes me too long to do these edits as it is, can you imagine the compaints when i double the work i’d need to do. Sure, the blu-rays have their problems, but they are still the best source for me to work from

Even if they release 4k official versions i still wouldn’t be working in 4k. render times are bad now, even worse when i have tried doing the work i do in 1080p. 4k would be a nightmare. ESB:R is 720p so the rest of the saga will be the same. I get loads of complaints off people because it takes them too long to download the 8GB versions and i’m going to get even more when i release the 25GB Blu-Rays. Hosting these files is a big issue. While uploading them to usenet is fine, they need to be re-uploaded when the retention runs out and most people refuse to use usenet

I have a 4k 70" LG TV and ESB:R looks fine on that. It’s got a great built in upscaler and this is something that a lot of TV’s & players lack. You’re also watching a highly compressed 8GB version of ESB:R at the moment until i can do the Blu-Ray.

720p is fine. If i catered to the people who have 70inch+ 4k TV’s then i would be catering to such a small margin. Most people have 1080p HDTVs that aren’t any bigger than 50"

exitzero said:

You don’t see in 4K-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxNBiAV4UnM

I wouldn’t trust getting technical information from this guy. He spouted on for ages about how Samsung 4k Blu-Ray player was faulty because it screwed up the HDR colours in X-men apocalypse. Even when people said that it played fine on their TV’s using the same player. He then used a Sony 4K Blu-Ray player and claimed it was fine. He refused to believe that the problem was with his old LG 4K TV not decoding the HDR correctly. He had the exact same TV as someone i know and i have the exact same Sony player that he has, so we tried it. The colours were still messed up going through that player unless we switched off the HDR, yet were fine on my TV.

It also depends on the 4k content people are viewing. Most stuff available at the moment are just uspcales, so when compared to their blu-ray counterparts, there isn’t a noticeable difference. But watch something like Lawrence of Arabia in 4k and compare that the it’s Blu-Ray counterpart and the difference is very noticeable. A persons vision is also a major factor and viewing distances etc.

Omni said:

dahmage said:

Omni said:

Adywan, Projects 4K77 and 4K83 are definitely 4K. They have less detail than the 1080p BluRays, but they’re absolutely 4K.

Adywan clearly meant that the visible detail level is less that what is already in the 1080p blu-ray, which makes sense as one is from negatives and the other from old release prints.

Sure he did, but he said “even the team would admit these aren’t 4K” and… well, they most definitely are.

No they are not. Just because they are scanned and released in 4k doesn’t make them 4k. Theatrical prints hold between 720p and at max 1080p worth of visual information. The team behind the 4k releases captured the film at 4k to try and squeeze the last bit of detail they could out of the prints. They did a damn good job, but they can’t magically produce detail that is on the negatives that isn;t present on an old theatrical print. The only way they could be 4k is if they were directly scanned from the negatives in 4k or above.

It’s a bugbear of mine with all these 4k commercial releases that are just upscales. It may be in 4k resolution but if the source doesn’t have the resolution to begin with, it’s not 4K. It’s so misleading and causing people to claim that 4k is a waste of time because most of what they are seeing were never even mastered @4k. The BBC here have been releasing old Doctor Who episodes on Blu-Ray from old TV broadcasts. 1080p, yet the source was 480p. And they’re calling them HD. They’re even going to release ones in UHD. It’s madness

exitzero said:

I know you just answered a bunch of questions, thanks for that. I was wondering, are you going to dub a female voice for the female A-Wing pilot?

Yes