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Galen betrays the Empire, but it also doesn’t arguably take away from Luke’s miracle.

This is exactly what happens in the movie already though. The flaw Galen left on the Death Star was a leaking reactor. How to get to the reactor is a whole different matter - Luke’s miracle.

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This is exactly what happens in the movie already though. The flaw Galen left on the Death Star was a leaking reactor. How to get to the reactor is a whole different matter - Luke’s miracle.

I don’t disagree with that. This was just an idea I had to address this issue, which I have heard brought up from time to time. I’ve argued against it before, but I can see where it is coming from as well. Kind of want to get a sense of people’s feelings about it.

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Omni said:

This is exactly what happens in the movie already though. The flaw Galen left on the Death Star was a leaking reactor. How to get to the reactor is a whole different matter - Luke’s miracle.

I don’t disagree with that. This was just an idea I had to address this issue, which I have heard brought up from time to time. I’ve argued against it before, but I can see where it is coming from as well. Kind of want to get a sense of people’s feelings about it.

A lot of your ideas for Rogue One seem similar to mine, but this one in particular I don’t agree with. I think one of the better things about the film is that it retcons a frankly obvious design flaw to be an intentional decision rather than simple incompetence. I think making this change would diminish that, and the fact that Galen didn’t catch the flaw in the initial design would make him look boneheaded.

Use cuts and VFX to remove the data disc being handed off to the Tantive IV. Mask it out of hand. Maybe replace disc with blaster for the second rebel (since he has a blaster in his right hand when he makes it into the Tantive IV). We can assume both ships received the transmission.

I’m also not sure about this change. I think what makes the Vader hallway scene work is that the stakes are clear. The Rebels are desperately trying to hand off the plans while Vader is cutting them down one by one. If there’s no game of hot potato with the plans happening, the scene is just Vader killing dudes because it looks cool, and doesn’t have much of a purpose.

Personally, I think the way TM2YC handled Vader was more or less perfect, and I wouldn’t change it much at all.

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Thanks for your thoughts, Octorox!

Like I’ve said, I’m not really committed to implementing those ideas, just want to hear arguments for and against, and see if it would be worth the trouble.

What do you think of not having Vader even mentioned in the film, and not seeing him until the corridor fight (or I guess I should say slaughter).

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Am I alone on this? I think the Vader hallway scene should be cut. It is bad ass, I see why many want it. As this scene actually takes place chronologically during the beginning of episode IV, I think it should not be in R1. I have seen some creative edits of IV that incorporate the R1 scene into episode IV. I prefer that.

That said, I think the opposite could be done too. Incorporate that initial episode IV scene into the end of R1. This could be done well, then IV could open with them saying several pods ejected but there were no life signs. Vader saying they must have hid the plans in the the pod send someone to collect the plans.

In this era of new star wars films they seem to be using a marvel style end scene to drum up excitement for the next movie. I personally don’t like it for star wars movies. My personal preference would be to add the R1 end scene to IV and Luke at the end of VII to VIII and if the broom kid makes a difference add that to IX.

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For my own edit, it uses Digimod’s edit as a base and I incorporated some of your ideas. The edit I came up with follows the narrative of video about fixing some of the pacing issues which I do agree with!

I am currently messing around with removing Vader and mention of him until the Corridor scene. Most of the issues that need to be addressed are the music transitions from scene removal or trimming to do so. Here are the Vader scenes AND mentions of him:

1.) The first scene to remove is the Mustafar scene with Vader and Krennic. The only thing to really work on is the transition from the Soon-To-Be-Rogue One crew scene in the stolen Imperial ship (After Jynn and Cassian’s argument) to the Rebel Base debating on what to do. It has to do with transiting the music.

2.) The next tinkering is the DS arriving on Scarif. Radus’ main go to guy says something like “giant mass as appeared” and we see the DS behind the clouds on the planet. We then jump to the DS with Tarkin and his go-to-guy. The dialogue goes something like:

“Do we attach the ships?”

“Vader takes care of that, we focus on base, prime it up”

There are two things I am thinking/playing with on this section. A) remove all the dialogue. We see the DS and we shoot back to Jynn and Cassian taking the elevator. B.) Abbreviate the dialogue to JUST Tarkin’s part about targeting the base the base. The main issue is the music transition as usual. However, I have more thoughts after going over the next sections.

3.) Next is Vader’s Star Destroyer jumping in and attacking the fleeing rebel ships. We see some shots of him looking upon the rebel fleet getting hammered. Simply remove the shots of him and tweak the music since it changes from a stronger music score to a softer one once he appears on screen. The softer music continues as the ship destroys more rebel ships. This was actually fairly easy to do and just needs some minor tweaking.

4.) Finally there is a scene between Jynn and Cassian walking on the beach. In the middle, there is a short scene with Vader telling and officer to prepare a boarding party. Simply remove that part. But this is where it gets tricky.

The music changes dramatically from the beach shots and this one. Also, before we see Vader, the two are sitting on the beach. After the Vader scene, they are standing and hugging … so … it makes a transition of them sitting and hugging already tough enough along with a very different music cues … This is one where I need some ideas or some help.

As a side note back on point 2. We can simply remove either the whole dialogue or use parts of it about targeting the base. The reason is more of a logical/military thinking about it. The original dialogue established “Vader will take care of the fleet, we are taking care of the base.” By either removing the scene or adjusting the dialogue in some ways makes it “random” a SD comes out of nowhere. True, it may not be needed at all and we the audience assume a SD came to the rescue since an imperial base is under attack!

I will play around with this, I admit I MAY be tempted to keep it the way it is or the shortened dialogue.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Here are my attempts to remove Vader visibly or mentioned until we see him at the corridor. I still need to tweak some spots with the music fading into each other, but gives us an idea.

Vader Removal 1 https://vimeo.com/344198122

Vader Removal 2 https://vimeo.com/344199092

Vader Removal 3 https://vimeo.com/344199035

Vader Removal 4 https://vimeo.com/344199504

Scene 1 could be altered to remove the horn sound that is at the beginning of the Yavin base shot and maybe tweaked to have some soft music instead?. At the moment It may work as is since there is a slight build up right before the end of the scene with Jynn that leads to the horn sound.

Scene 2 seems fine to me … at least I don’t see or hear any sound/music issues with the transition.

Scenes 3 and 4 need a bit of working, especially the 4th one … that one is the toughest. There is also a sound glitch too I gotta fix anyway with the final one after exporting it.

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“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Not home right now but I’ll be checking these all out later, thanks for sharing them! I had the same worry regarding music transitions, I kept replaying clips just thinking about how it can be done. I’ll check your clips later and see where we can go from there!

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Those clips are great, Jarbear.

The ‘Your Father Would Be Proud’ and ‘Jyn Erso & Hope Suite’ tracks - from Rogue One soundtrack - may help / be a possible solution for the audio issue / transitions on clip 4?

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Thanks for the feedback oojason! Also, thank you for the tips about the music, I’ve been dabbling with “Your Father Would Be Proud” at the moment.

Here is a combined clip of Scenes 3 and 4. https://vimeo.com/344324725

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EDIT: I found a sound glitch at 17-18 seconds in this clip after turning up the volume which has been fixed on the main source now.

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I was poking around the movie and it looks like I’ve missed at least one other mention of Vader. This occurs during the first bit of the Rebel ground attack. The scene in question is dialogue between Tarkin’s “right hand man” and himself. The guy talks about the rebel attack on Scarif. Then Tarkin asks about Scarif and the Death Star Plans … which are confirmed … which then Tarkin directs the Death Star to go to Scarif AND inform Lord Vader. This will be a bit of a toughy since he says “and inform Lord Vader” very quickly …

I can play around with it, but the question is it ok to leave in? This is a such a short line that does not indicate that Vader will intervene as said and shown later in the film since I’ve removed Tarkin’s later line about Vader’s role on attacking the fleet as well as remove Vader’s appearance later as well.

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Here is a quick edit that cuts out his line after the “they are” line. https://vimeo.com/344421737

This does take away what his orders on going to Scarif, but it also makes it a “surprise” to see the Death Star later appear toward the end of the battle.

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I know that video feels that the viewer need literally no build-up to Vader appearing in the hallway, but I disagree, even if every single viewer is already familiar with him.

I like your list of changes otherwise, but I would suggest leaving mentions of Vader in dialogue throughout and his arrival at the end of the battle. I’d consider using the first chunk of the Mustafar scene (minus line about Krennic arriving) to depict informing him about the battle as Tarkin orders (ending with Vader getting out of his bath).
You’d have all the good Vader stuff, a cool introduction and in-character moment prior to his “I’m a fucking badass” scene. I have a hard time imagining it feeling right to literally only see or hear about Vader in that scene.

And if you remove the floppy disk being handed down the line, you lose the tension of that scene, right? Other than these things your edit sounds great to me.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Thanks for resurrecting this thread! I am not sure if you are referring to jarbear’s videos specifically, or my changelist, or both, but I appreciate the thoughts.

I do think I’m going to pull back on a few more radical ideas. I like the idea of using the first-half of the Mustafar scene to set up Vader’s arrival at the end of the battle. Maybe I could give that servant new dialogue regarding Tarkin or the battle. Also, I think it would be helpful to replace Krennic’s shuttle with a regular Imperial shuttle that we see Vader use later in the film in those Mustafar establishing shots. Might be some extra work, but it would be like Vader’s shuttle coming down from the Devastator to pick up Vader and take him to Scarif. Then you could just change the dialogue to, “My lord, your shuttle has arrived.”

Regarding the disk, my original intention was to keep continuity with ANH when Vader says, “Several transmissions were beamed aboard this ship by rebel spies.” The plans being carried physically aboard seems to contradict that. If the viewer had never seen this scene before, I like to think they would still feel tension for the rebels being able to make it off the stranded ship in time, or if the other ship could escape before Vader boards it. But, it seems a lot of people feel the tension would be lost altogether without the disk element, so maybe it is a contradiction we’ll have to live with?

I’m also curious whether or not I should still deemphasize Galen actually “laying a trap” within the Death Star’s design, and if that undermines Luke’s impossible shot at the end of ANH. There seems to be fair arguments for and against.

But really, all these things are not the most important changes I want to make. Instead, it is characterization and dramatic arcs that I want to focus on, but I am still curious if these changes were worth the trouble to maintain continuity with the original Star Wars. Maybe people have better ideas to make the two films more cohesive than I have suggested.

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Oh man, been awhile since I’ve looked at this. I did complete an edit with all the mentions and views of Vader will the end. I can certainly use your suggestions Hal.

To make sure I understand your suggestion, which I totally will try if I got the time, would be to keep all the lines via Tarkin talking about Vader, but the only “visual” of Vader is him getting out of the bath (But remove the rest of the Krennic stuff) and the hallway scene? I’ve also have NOT touched the floppy disk scene, it keeps the tension which I like.

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I assumed he also meant keeping Vader standing on the bridge of his Star Destroyer as well.

EDIT: Jarbear, did you have a thread for you edit too? Wanted to see your change list!

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Right. Please understand, I have never put Rogue One into a NLE so I’m going by my imagination and imperfect memory alone.

What I would imagine doing, though, is to cut the Mustafar scene but leave all other mentions of Vader in the film, including Tarkin telling his stooge to inform him about the attack. (I don’t know how it would play, but potentially include the first few shots of the Mustafar scene to depict or imply Vader being informed and being dragged out of his bath to tend to this attack, leading to feeling particularly peeved at the end of this movie and beginning of ANH.) Vader appears as his star destroyer arrives, orders a boarding party, and mows down the troops in the hallway.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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I don’t have any threads, just person edits I’ve made based on other edits. I wanted to try the Less Vader idea an see how it works out. I personally like the idea that you don’t see him until the corridor scene, kind of like an unexpected surprise first time watching it.

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I’ve been a bit busy with life and all and wouldn’t be able to do anything new, but if you two are interested, I can send you the two versions I came up with. My “Standard” and then me playing with the “No Vader Until the Corridor.” Rouge and Hal you can DM if interested!

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Can anyone help me identify the track that is used in the U-Wing scene after they escape Jedha? It starts playing toward the end of the scene, right when Chirrut says, “I believe her.” I don’t know if it is on the soundtrack. If I were to edit with isolated audio tracks, might there be a track that is mostly just the music? (I’ve never edited with 5 channel audio so I’m not sure where to even start with that.)

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RogueLeader said:

If I were to edit with isolated audio tracks, might there be a track that is mostly just the music? (I’ve never edited with 5 channel audio so I’m not sure where to even start with that.)

No, it’s all still mixed. Each channel will have sound effects and music in it, except sometimes the center channel will be clean and dialogue-only (though that’s rare).

You might get super lucky and the part you’re looking for will have little/no sound effects in the rear channels, but that’s also very unlikely.

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I don’t remember the in and outs of this score well, but there are certainly some missing tracks on the OST. It might be on the film’s For Your Consideration soundtrack release if you have that.

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Hmm, thanks for the info Ash. I may just have to get in there and see what I have to work with. The reason I’m asking is because I’m cutting some lines from that scene, so I had the idea of having the music start earlier in the scene so the music doesn’t just start suddenly.

Good idea Dom. I checked the FYC tracklist and what I’m looking for should be between “An Imperial Test of Power” and “Approach to Eadu”, but the former is just the music as they are escaping Jedha, and the latter starts when they arrive at Eadu.

EDIT: I’ve also updated the main post of this thread.

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Resurrecting this dead thread of mine due to Andor. There have been some already solid Rogue One fan edits since the movie has been released, but I have really been loving Andor, so it has given me some ideas for taking the film in a different direction than the edits currently available. If quality of the show stays the same right up until the end of the series, I would like to re-edit Rogue One to act as a new finale for the series, rather than a standalone film.

At this moment I don’t really know if I would keep it as a movie-length finale, or split it into two episodes perhaps. But it would start with the Andor title card rather than have the “Rogue One” title card or an opening crawl, like some edits have given it.

Some of the edits I have proposed in the past regarding the plot and characterization will still be pursued in this version as well, such as making Jyn a more active protagonist as well as making the initial mission just be about rescuing the pilot rather than finding her father.

I also have an interest in minimizing the films contradictions with A New Hope. For example, I want to depict the plan transmissions being “beamed” to the Tantive IV rather than being carried into the ship. That means I would likely remove the Darth Vader hallway scene. I do feel my adrenaline pumping when I watch that scene, but I think it might work better, at least for this version, to cut it. I do think it is kind of weird to depict Vader in this modern, epic, and badass way, but it almost clashes with the way he is depicted in A New Hope. It is pretty toned down in comparison. I like the idea of watching all of Andor, then Rogue One, then the Original Trilogy. With that in mind, I think I would prefer to have Vader mentioned in Rogue One, and maybe see the back of his head as he stands on the bridge of the Devastator at the end of the film, but that is it. In that shot, I would change create new off-screen dialogue for the Imperial Officer speaking to Vader saying, “Sir, their flagship is disabled, but they’re sending transmissions to another ship.” I might rework some Vader dialogue to have him respond with, “Calculate every possible destination along their trajectory”. But if I wanted to have Vader’s first dialogue to be in A New Hope, I could just have the officer say they are tracking it.

My mind might change on this though. If I kept it, I might not have the rebel explicitly tell the other rebel to “take it”, so Vader might not be aware that a hand off is even happening. I also would not have Vader watch the Tantive IV fly away himself probably. But like I said, I might cut the whole scene entirely.

I also think it depends on what is depicted in the last season of Andor, as well. I just like the idea of having a nice flow between Andor, Rogue One, and A New Hope. Because of that, I might do some rescoring, when possible, to introduce some Andor cues into Rogue One, and then have it transition into Giacchino’s score, and then into Williams. I think Nicholas Britell’s score in Andor fits well with the cold, modern tone of the story, whereas Giacchino’s is kind of a middle ground between that and the optimistic romance of Williams’ classical score of the original Star Wars. So the score goes from a more pessimistic synthetic vibe to a more hopeful fantasy feel as we get to the more optimistic space opera of the original trilogy, if that makes sense.

I want this to function as a nice transition between Andor and A New Hope, so if anyone has other ideas for how I can make Rogue One match the tone and “canon” of both the series and SW 77, feel free to share. Anyway, I don’t plan on working on this much beyond brain storming ideas until Andor is complete. I might try to play around with my Return of the Jedi edit more in the meantime, but I just wanted to post my ideas here for reference once I get around to it.

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I love this. I just watched Rogue One last night, having been on a mental Andor binge. It’s absolutely appropriate that Rogue One becomes the final arc of the Cassian Andor story- featuring a partially new cast just as the two previous arcs of Andor have.

Interestingly, I didn’t mind a passive Jyn quite so much in this, since I was watching it in more of a Cassian mindset this time.

Two episodes seems most sensible, with the final one being the final rebel visit to Yavin IV and Scarif, and the preceding content in the prior episode.

Anything that can be done to bring it closer to Andor in terms of music, direction, or editing, I welcome.

I don’t know about losing the Vader hallway scene though, that’s a big one for me. I like his saga-enhancing presence as a bonus antagonist in this movie, and I like seeing him in a moment of desperate violence. I don’t mind the slight contradictions to original canon- at least it’s handwavey enough and Raddus’ ship (with Tantive IV docked) does receive transmissions- what that bending permits for us seems more additive than pure adherence would have. You could add that dialogue too though, so you could get the best of both worlds.

Exciting nonetheless - though yes, I’d love to see you continue exploring RotJ!

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