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So, what did everyone think of tonight’s episode?

What do we think of the new inside of the Tardis?

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I haven’t watched it yet. But, what did you think?

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I need to think about it. I will say this: too many commercials, way too many commercials. It seemed like every third minute they broke for commercials.

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Warbler said:

I need to think about it. I will say this: too many commercials, way too many commercials. It seemed like every third minute they broke for commercials.

Yeah, that’s why I’m not watching on BBCA anymore. I’m waiting for Amazon Prime’s download the next day. Or trying my hand at the BBC’s live stream through my VPN if I’m at home.

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I DVR it and fast forward through the commercials later. I’ll probably watch it tomorrow.

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I just watched it. The commercials don’t bother me. I am really liking these new episodes.

Of course, this is still the honeymoon period. We’ll see what I think by the time the series ends. But man, they really upped the production values. That title sequence! That atmosphere! That coherent plot!

The new TARDIS interior is something I’ll have to get used to. The last one I fell in love with instantly, probably because it felt like a classic TARDIS. This one seems to try to recapture the Tennant era… and I’m not sure if it works yet.

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TV’s Frink said:

Dek Rollins said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warb you conveniently left out the part where you complained about feminist agendas…yet again.

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And my worry was about a feminist agenda being shoved in our faces, not just the gender change.

That was literally him explaining that he wasn’t worried about an agenda. You’re being dense and antagonizing him over nothing.

“Dense” is wrong and “antagonizing him over nothing” is your opinion. Maybe he shouldn’t say stupid shit like “feminist agenda.”

This very much this.

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Very nice title sequence, I like how the music matches so well, folding in on itself. The episode was alright, I like the lowkey feel, though needs much more fleshing out. The Doctor hasn’t really defined herself, which is either good or bad this early. Central part of Tardis I like, the walls less so.

The blue elephant in the room.

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That was a real proper episode. Hopefully it can maintain this level of quality.

Only thing I don’t care for is the crystal theme in the TARDIS. The other elements of the interior I like but the crystals feel so out of place.

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Love the new intro. Really reminds me of decades past. Digging the new theme music, especially the throw-back end title music.

LOVE the new TARDIS interior. So nice to have a dark and organic style again. I’ve really missed that. A similar take to the Eccleston and Tennant coral interior without the turquoise glow, which I thought was unnecessarily cold. This is much warmer.

The story was fine. I’m glad to get back to stand-alones when it isn’t a deal where the fate of the entire universe revolves around some sort of pretzel logic spanning several episodes. This is what I was hoping for under new direction and a new Doctor - weekly adventures.

The production values are top notch. When we meet the first racer, my first thought was it could have been a scene from Solo. I got a chuckle out of the Doctor telling the second racer his ship should be on Antiques Roadshow.

This whole thing so far is a very welcome reset to what has long attracted me to show. I’m an extremely happy fan. It’s been a dark few years for me Who-wise, but this has been well worth the wait.

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Very much agreed, Anchorhead.

This next episode will be a true test. They’re going to go visit Rosa Parks. Will they be historically accurate, or will there be a lot of revisionism? I’m going to guess a bit of revisionism.

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Handman said:

Very much agreed, Anchorhead.

This next episode will be a true test. They’re going to go visit Rosa Parks. Will they be historically accurate, or will there be a lot of revisionism? I’m going to guess a bit of revisionism.

What do you mean?

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Handman said:

Very much agreed, Anchorhead.

This next episode will be a true test. They’re going to go visit Rosa Parks. Will they be historically accurate, or will there be a lot of revisionism? I’m going to guess a bit of revisionism.

I get what you mean. Yet she may end up being an alien. While the show started out as an educational endeavor, that agenda faded long ago.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo said:

Handman said:

Very much agreed, Anchorhead.

This next episode will be a true test. They’re going to go visit Rosa Parks. Will they be historically accurate, or will there be a lot of revisionism? I’m going to guess a bit of revisionism.

I get what you mean. Yet she may end up being an alien. While the show started out as an educational endeavor, that agenda faded long ago.

I doubt very much they would make Rosa Parks an alien. I would think they will pay a lot of respect to Rosa Parks. 1. Because they should. 2. They don’t want to offend and piss people off. I could easily see NAACP and other groups getting upset and offended at making Rosa Parks an alien. I guarantee you they are not going to take the risk of that. I know I wouldn’t if I were them.

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Thought the 2nd episode was a quality follow-up to the new season - hitting the all the marks yet still feeling significantly different to what has come of late in Whoverse - a sort of ‘remaining true’ yet having it’s own identity.

The production values look quality - and loving the new Tardis (and also how Jodie played it meeting up again with it). Although only 2 episodes in… much kudos to new showrunner Chris Chibnall.

Looking forward to seeming more of the Doctor and the new companions in the next few episodes 😃
 

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LordZerome1080 said:

Handman said:

Very much agreed, Anchorhead.

This next episode will be a true test. They’re going to go visit Rosa Parks. Will they be historically accurate, or will there be a lot of revisionism? I’m going to guess a bit of revisionism.

What do you mean?

I’m guessing the show will greatly simplify the situation, playing into the great myth you’re taught in elementary school. The great Rosa Parks was the one who said no on a whim, and it is all because of her that buses were integrated here in the US. The historical context is a lot more complex and complicated, and interesting. I’m assuming the episode will have the Doctor try to convince her to go through with it, with no mention of those more interesting elements as they go against the prevailing legend.

Really, if we’re going to have an episode where Rosa Parks is hesitant to go through with it, I want a dialogue like this:

Rosa: “Well, they don’t need me, there are others–”
Doctor: “Yes, there are others, and there have been others. But your actions here will reach beyond them. Someone as well liked, someone so innocent, to go through the horrors of your society, will resonate far beyond Alabama. No one else will look as righteous to the nation.”

Or something to that effect. Basically I want there to be some recognition that Rosa Parks was not the only one who was courageous in that situation, that she did not do it on a whim (She and Colvin were both active members of the NAACP), and that the black leadership in Montgomery, Alabama wanted her to do it for the reasons stated above, as they would not be able to gain the sympathies of the courts, whites, and the middle class with Colvin, a poor, pregnant teenager. This in no way minimizes the bravery and injustice Parks endured, but it is the way it happened.

“I’m not disappointed,” Colvin said. “Let the people know Rosa Parks was the right person for the boycott. But also let them know that the attorneys took four other women to the Supreme Court to challenge the law that led to the end of segregation.”

But maybe this is too much to ask for from Doctor Who.

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Handman said:

LordZerome1080 said:

Handman said:

Very much agreed, Anchorhead.

This next episode will be a true test. They’re going to go visit Rosa Parks. Will they be historically accurate, or will there be a lot of revisionism? I’m going to guess a bit of revisionism.

What do you mean?

I’m guessing the show will greatly simplify the situation, playing into the great myth you’re taught in elementary school. The great Rosa Parks was the one who said no on a whim, and it is all because of her that buses were integrated here in the US. The historical context is a lot more complex and complicated, and interesting. I’m assuming the episode will have the Doctor try to convince her to go through with it, with no mention of those more interesting elements as they go against the prevailing legend.

Really, if we’re going to have an episode where Rosa Parks is hesitant to go through with it, I want a dialogue like this:

Rosa: “Well, they don’t need me, there are others–”
Doctor: “Yes, there are others, and there have been others. But your actions here will reach beyond them. Someone as well liked, someone so innocent, to go through the horrors of your society, will resonate far beyond Alabama. No one else will look as righteous to the nation.”

Or something to that effect. Basically I want there to be some recognition that Rosa Parks was not the only one who was courageous in that situation, that she did not do it on a whim (She and Colvin were both active members of the NAACP), and that the black leadership in Montgomery, Alabama wanted her to do it for the reasons stated above, as they would not be able to gain the sympathies of the courts, whites, and the middle class with Colvin, a poor, pregnant teenager. This in no way minimizes the bravery and injustice Parks endured, but it is the way it happened.

“I’m not disappointed,” Colvin said. “Let the people know Rosa Parks was the right person for the boycott. But also let them know that the attorneys took four other women to the Supreme Court to challenge the law that led to the end of segregation.”

But maybe this is too much to ask for from Doctor Who.

So much for giving it a chance eh Warbler, Handman and co?

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LordZerome1080 said:

Handman said:

LordZerome1080 said:

Handman said:

Very much agreed, Anchorhead.

This next episode will be a true test. They’re going to go visit Rosa Parks. Will they be historically accurate, or will there be a lot of revisionism? I’m going to guess a bit of revisionism.

What do you mean?

I’m guessing the show will greatly simplify the situation, playing into the great myth you’re taught in elementary school. The great Rosa Parks was the one who said no on a whim, and it is all because of her that buses were integrated here in the US. The historical context is a lot more complex and complicated, and interesting. I’m assuming the episode will have the Doctor try to convince her to go through with it, with no mention of those more interesting elements as they go against the prevailing legend.

Really, if we’re going to have an episode where Rosa Parks is hesitant to go through with it, I want a dialogue like this:

Rosa: “Well, they don’t need me, there are others–”
Doctor: “Yes, there are others, and there have been others. But your actions here will reach beyond them. Someone as well liked, someone so innocent, to go through the horrors of your society, will resonate far beyond Alabama. No one else will look as righteous to the nation.”

Or something to that effect. Basically I want there to be some recognition that Rosa Parks was not the only one who was courageous in that situation, that she did not do it on a whim (She and Colvin were both active members of the NAACP), and that the black leadership in Montgomery, Alabama wanted her to do it for the reasons stated above, as they would not be able to gain the sympathies of the courts, whites, and the middle class with Colvin, a poor, pregnant teenager. This in no way minimizes the bravery and injustice Parks endured, but it is the way it happened.

“I’m not disappointed,” Colvin said. “Let the people know Rosa Parks was the right person for the boycott. But also let them know that the attorneys took four other women to the Supreme Court to challenge the law that led to the end of segregation.”

But maybe this is too much to ask for from Doctor Who.

So much for giving it a chance eh Warbler, Handman and co?

And how was the drive, Miss Daisy?

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LordZerome1080 said:

Handman said:

LordZerome1080 said:

Handman said:

Very much agreed, Anchorhead.

This next episode will be a true test. They’re going to go visit Rosa Parks. Will they be historically accurate, or will there be a lot of revisionism? I’m going to guess a bit of revisionism.

What do you mean?

I’m guessing the show will greatly simplify the situation, playing into the great myth you’re taught in elementary school. The great Rosa Parks was the one who said no on a whim, and it is all because of her that buses were integrated here in the US. The historical context is a lot more complex and complicated, and interesting. I’m assuming the episode will have the Doctor try to convince her to go through with it, with no mention of those more interesting elements as they go against the prevailing legend.

Really, if we’re going to have an episode where Rosa Parks is hesitant to go through with it, I want a dialogue like this:

Rosa: “Well, they don’t need me, there are others–”
Doctor: “Yes, there are others, and there have been others. But your actions here will reach beyond them. Someone as well liked, someone so innocent, to go through the horrors of your society, will resonate far beyond Alabama. No one else will look as righteous to the nation.”

Or something to that effect. Basically I want there to be some recognition that Rosa Parks was not the only one who was courageous in that situation, that she did not do it on a whim (She and Colvin were both active members of the NAACP), and that the black leadership in Montgomery, Alabama wanted her to do it for the reasons stated above, as they would not be able to gain the sympathies of the courts, whites, and the middle class with Colvin, a poor, pregnant teenager. This in no way minimizes the bravery and injustice Parks endured, but it is the way it happened.

“I’m not disappointed,” Colvin said. “Let the people know Rosa Parks was the right person for the boycott. But also let them know that the attorneys took four other women to the Supreme Court to challenge the law that led to the end of segregation.”

But maybe this is too much to ask for from Doctor Who.

So much for giving it a chance eh Warbler, Handman and co?

If you’re going to take every critical thought I have on the show as me not giving it a chance, you’d best leave the thread, because I’m not going to stop. I’ve quite enjoyed it, actually! And nothing I’ve said about the show has anything to do with what Warbler’s said.

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Don’t you know? If you don’t like everything Zerome likes 110%, you’re Mrs. Lincoln.

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I’ve been Mrs. Lincoln for the past month or so.

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Dealing with serious historical events where people are still around who lived through them seems more like Quantum Leap than Doctor Who.

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Where were you in '77?

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LordZerome1080 said:

Handman said:

LordZerome1080 said:

Handman said:

Very much agreed, Anchorhead.

This next episode will be a true test. They’re going to go visit Rosa Parks. Will they be historically accurate, or will there be a lot of revisionism? I’m going to guess a bit of revisionism.

What do you mean?

I’m guessing the show will greatly simplify the situation, playing into the great myth you’re taught in elementary school. The great Rosa Parks was the one who said no on a whim, and it is all because of her that buses were integrated here in the US. The historical context is a lot more complex and complicated, and interesting. I’m assuming the episode will have the Doctor try to convince her to go through with it, with no mention of those more interesting elements as they go against the prevailing legend.

Really, if we’re going to have an episode where Rosa Parks is hesitant to go through with it, I want a dialogue like this:

Rosa: “Well, they don’t need me, there are others–”
Doctor: “Yes, there are others, and there have been others. But your actions here will reach beyond them. Someone as well liked, someone so innocent, to go through the horrors of your society, will resonate far beyond Alabama. No one else will look as righteous to the nation.”

Or something to that effect. Basically I want there to be some recognition that Rosa Parks was not the only one who was courageous in that situation, that she did not do it on a whim (She and Colvin were both active members of the NAACP), and that the black leadership in Montgomery, Alabama wanted her to do it for the reasons stated above, as they would not be able to gain the sympathies of the courts, whites, and the middle class with Colvin, a poor, pregnant teenager. This in no way minimizes the bravery and injustice Parks endured, but it is the way it happened.

“I’m not disappointed,” Colvin said. “Let the people know Rosa Parks was the right person for the boycott. But also let them know that the attorneys took four other women to the Supreme Court to challenge the law that led to the end of segregation.”

But maybe this is too much to ask for from Doctor Who.

So much for giving it a chance eh Warbler, Handman and co?

If you are referring to Jodie Whittaker, I agree she has done well in the role so far. If you are referring to the season isn’t bad either so far. As for the episode with Rosa Parks, the only thing I have said is that I don’t think they will make her an alien and that I think they will be very careful to not offend and be very respectful to her.

If that means I am not giving any of the above a fair chance, I don’t know what to say.

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Is anyone else here a Big Finish listener?

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Tobar said:

Is anyone else here a Big Finish listener?

I was for quite some time, but I’ve fallen off for a while. It’s rather expensive.

Did the War Doctor box sets get any better? I at least started listening to the first one, but wasn’t impressed (despite John Hurt turning in a fantastic performance). Can’t even remember if I finished the set. And I haven’t gotten the chance to check out Eight’s Time War range, or anything of his past the first or second Doom Coalition set.

Been wanting to check out some of the Ten releases, though. And I do really want to catch back up with Eight - I maintain to this day that The Chimes of Midnight and Lucie Miller/To the Death are top-5 all-time Who stories in any medium, with LM/TTD being my overall favorite Dalek story.

I’ve listened to the other Doctors here and there. Four is the one I’ve heard the least from, which makes sense as he’s the most recent addition.